Frozen 14 year old girl

that was meant to be 2169 btw

All a bit weird, to me.

Rich people thinking that they are immortal

was michael jackson buried or frozen in the end?
I seem to think buried so all the daftness had a limit in the end imo

I think it was allowed to make the girl happy just before she died.

If the brain was cancer free....might as well gone for that head transplant like that fella in the wheelchair.

Some people have more money than sense.

very true shame you have neither

Does she get a money back guarantee?

Lead item on the news this evening.
Utter nonsense. One 14 year old's  ludicrous death wish. Whilst 120,000 children will be homeless in the UK this Xmas .
Have we all gone mad ?

saw it on Startrek Next generation. three tools get thawed out in the future. one a stockbroker, one a musician and the third was a housewife. like the three bears?

She must be really scared to do that? Not showing any faith in a possible afterlife with Jesus. pickle me quick in green goo.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/how-to-freeze-your-brain-and-live-forever-maybe

This reads like a Monty Python script.

Have to agree with Scandi here, unethical and cannot understand why it is allowed.

it's a sad story all round.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/18/father-of-cryogenically-frozen-girl-she-died-without-me-being-ab/

one big problem is how can a cryogenics company offer and appropriately price revival when they don't know what it means or what it involves or whether future societies will consider it ethical.

Mr S, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is also suffering from cancer, and spent months in the same hospital as his daughter, JS, without ever being told she was there.


that is pretty messed up.

Leading AI scientists believe robots will be so intrigued by humans that they will do everything in their powers to recreate them/bring them back to life.

This girl has a better chance than Lee Westwood of winning a major

If shes dead, how do you bring her back to life ?
Maybe she can be thawed out but shes still dead.
Surely she would have to frozen whilst still alive..

Have you never seen Frankenstein?

or snow white and the seven dwarfs

mecca    Joined: 04 Apr 11
Rich people thinking that they are immortal


Yes I'm sure this 14 year old with weeks to live was really feeling immortal

I only heard the story on the radio news today, but thought they said the money came from donations?

There's a bit of a dispute about where the money came from, so the account has been frozen.

Wouldnt mind coming Back for a week in say 100 years to look at world history ..

grandparents raised £37K for the procedure

zorrostrikes  • November 18, 2016 7:04 PM GMT 


saw it on Startrek Next generation. three tools get thawed out in the future. one a stockbroker, one a musician and the third was a housewife. like the three bears?

She must be really scared to do that? Not showing any faith in a possible afterlife with Jesus. pickle me quick in green goo.

Frankly Zorro..I would have more faith in being thawed out in future...than any afterlife.


cruso  • November 18, 2016 10:47 PM GMT 
If shes dead, how do you bring her back to life ?
Maybe she can be thawed out but shes still dead.
Surely she would have to frozen whilst still alive..

Interesting point cruso, she would have to be froen while still alive, surely

One good thing about this it will make the process of death easier for her psychologically
since she believes she will be woken up and cured one day.
I take it she is incurable.

If we come back in 100 years britain will still be deciding when to trigger article 50

She's dead.

You do not get frozen when you are alive

Except for poor Slippy's shoulder

It must be incredibly hard for this 14 year old girl to accept death

All her friends will be preparing for life, it is a hard cross to carry, she must feel life is very unfair.

She has all my sympathy.


If we go back to the 19th century death in childhood was quite common.

I watched the 'Dark Angel' mini series on ITV1.

Because death was so common among both adults and children, the eponymous anti heroine, was able to get away

with poisoning a great many of her husbands and children for their insurance money, people did not think it was unusual

She was eventually caught and hanged of course.

People have been found frozen, and to all appearances dead. But have been revived.

So far only Frankenstein has been able to create life from someone who is actually dead.

I thought they may freeze this girl at the very last moment of her life perhaps?

you supposedly have to freeze the body to preserve the vital organs within a few hours of death. most experts will tell you the science involved is utter nonsense in any case

If this girl passes into unconsciousness before inevitable death, then that is when she must be frozen surely?

The girl is incurable, she has nothing to lose.

I saw a documentary once where they found someone frozen solid in a river in a very cold climate.

This person was revived, because they had become completely frozen before they actually died, so I suppose that is the

theory they are working on??????

"Frozen 14 year old girl"
Why doesn't she ..

Let it go, let it go

Seriously though, I just don't trust the science behind this.
I've seen how when fresh stuff touches the back of the fridge and freezes and thaws it is so biologically damaged due to the crystalisation.

Then again there are examples like frogs that can be frozen solid and thaw ok due to internal antifreeze but how can they possibly put that into a human that's mostly water without messing things up that didn't evolve that way?

Its all bobbins, yet another example of somebody suggesting something and the opportunistic human creating rubbish to sell and make a margin on.
Not withstanding the fact it can't be done or even what quality of life they'd potentially have the biggest question is why the fook would future humans go thawing out humans when the world gets ever more full with humans naturally?

It's dead in the water, or should that be freezer?

But keep paying dead rent, cos that's what it's all about, can't take it with you so give it us till it runs out and you get chucked in the river.

ebulGery you have visited FarmFoods to often

This is a confidence trick selling ethereal nothing leveraged against people's vulnerabilities.
Not only does it not exist they can't even assure it ever will.
It's no different to the Vatican selling papal bulls guaranteeing access to heaven, it's using the unknown.

Jerusalem is the land of the dead, mount olive is full of people who were lead to believe that's where the messiah will return for them. Now enterprise has got involved and are selling another pipe dream for profit.

I'm sure the laissez faire capitalists are sponking their kex over how good an idea it is.

Exactly.

I think they will take more care then when freezing some a bag of peas.

Human Beings live on hope, even when there is none, it is our nature.

I would not be so cruel as to take it away from someone, she is only 14 years old.

But ebul, surely you can take a dig at CAPITALISM while you are at it?!

I mean ... when later today, Facts and Dusty watch their "Capitalism - a warning from history" DVD together, and at the end of it seek solace in each others [Corbyn Sanctioned, Ideally a Minority as a third] embrace..

well you don't want left OUT of that action by being reasonable do you?

hey don't knock frozen peas FarmFoods

Hey I love farmfoods. I would NEVER knock farmfoods. What they hell do you think I am, some sort of "Iceland" bigot ?

But I can't see cryogenics appearing beside the 17 counters in a row they have of different frozen chips, even if they have got a bit fancy now and sell extras strong spreadable cheese and Bananas!

wtf is farmfoods?

www.farmfoods.co.uk

The shopping habits of forumites sicken me. I'm guessing S_H buys his peas from waitrose, individually wrapped by Jamie Oliver approved child labourers

whats the diff between getting frozen and getting buried ?

Young girl has made a wise choice imo ,and someone else was paying so why not .

A funeral is extortionate these days ,frozen in liquid nitrogen at under 40k a bargain imo

Problem would be when in the year 3000 or so they send someone a bill to start the work on bringing her back to life and then curing her cancer .

Good luck to her ,died far too young and last wishes are being upheld .

Does it say anywhere why her father objected ?

sorry for interrupting  the developing supermarket convo

' ...Leading scientists have condemned cryonics as fantasy.

"Cryonics is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence.The companies selling cryonics admit there is no current procedure for resuscitation." said Clive Cohen,a professor of neuroscience at Kings College London.

In other words it 's a total con. Cashing in on people emotions at a very vulnerable time. Grieving relatives ought to be protected from such ' snake oil salesmen '

The father was probably a pragmatist.

Giving her a hope is compassionate, yet the fallacy of it coming to fruition is the same as just burying her after death anyway.
The reason as all of us experienced in the human greed can attest is that any company factoring in profit to a bottom line of keeping humans in a frozen state for x amount of years is open to continual profiteering and take out.
Even if it did become possible in the future the company has simply charged for keeping a body frozen, not the cost of some dream of bringing them back to life and the cost implication.

That frozen real estate money will have been sponked up a wall long before the probably impossibility has even arrived.

surprized its legal

The father had common sense - obviously .

shes alive and well now in another world looking down on us wondering what the fuss is all about

I wonder if she was rejected for organ donation due to the cancer ,that would have been easiest way to have some kind of afterlife

as for being in heaven .....i think thats the reason she chose to be frozen imo

a non believer imo so unfair to say she is up thar looking down

Seems like a cracking business.

100% customer satisfaction and no refunds.

No doubt more gullible people will follow suit due to the OTT media coverage providing such firms with all this free publicity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_nitrogen#Uses

Costs can include payment for medical personnel to be on call for death, vitrification, transportation in dry ice to a preservation facility, and payment into a trust fund intended to cover indefinite storage in liquid nitrogen and future revival costs.[23][24] As of 2011, U.S. cryopreservation costs can range from $28,000 to $200,000, and are often financed via life insurance.[23] KrioRus, which stores bodies communally in large dewars, charges $12,000 to $36,000 for the procedure.[25] Some patients opt to have only their head, rather than their whole body, cryopreserved. As of 2016, four facilities exist in the world to retain cryopreserved bodies; three are in the U.S., and one is in Russia.[2][26] As of 2014, about 250 people have been cryogenically preserved in the U.S., and around 1,500 more have signed up to be preserved

Says all you need to know about the gullibility of people in the U.S.

Voting for Trump was another example.

so looks like a head transplant op  onto a doner body once the funds have accrued enough ...by that time the procedure could be viable .Its a ling shot but maybe not as stupid as it sounds .

"Says all you need to know about the gullibility of people in the U.S."
Err .. this thread is about a BRITISH girl getting frozen.

Who knows what science will be capable of in the future.

Go back not even  150 years, and the thought of aeroplanes, sending rockets to Mars and beyond, tell who your family members are by looking at just someone's blood, internet, chat to people anywhere in the world instantly and they would have just laughed at you.

At worse I hope the fact that she knew she was going to be frozen gave her some form of comfort and hope during her final few weeks.

Here's a clue,
When you die, all the millions of brain cells die too.

You really think these can be brought back to ' life' ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_B%C3%A5genholm

Nov 19, 2016 -- 1:59PM, Facts wrote:

Here's a clue,When you die, all the millions of brain cells die too. You really think these can be brought back to ' life' ?

A hundred years from now, you'll probably cure cancer by popping a pill, like you do when you have the flu, so why not? More likely this is 37k spent on making the grieving process a bit easier for the family. I think anyone that had 37k to spare would do the same if their fourteen year old was dieing of cancer

Cry onyx a  question that sparks  heated debate ...but I think people should really chill out.

You can say what you like about the merits of the process, but how can anyone deny the hope to a 14 year old who has had her life tragically cut short? It does bring up an interesting point about the amazing changes in science and medicine though. The condition my lad was born with was a death sentence just 50 years ago, but now cardiac medicine has become incredibly advanced. I would love to be around to see what the advances have achieved in 100 or 200 years time.

but how can anyone deny the hope to a 14 year old who has had her life tragically cut short?

£37K buys you hope?

As I said above this is a great business - you take money off the vulnerable & gullible with absolutely zero guarantee of success.

Nevertheless the customers are happy plus there's no refunds - a win/win.

Meanwhile, the business owner take and spend customers' money today & defer their responsibility to a future generation to hopefully come through with the science.

JC1326    19 Nov 16 20:35 
Nov 19, 2016 -- 7:59PM, Facts wrote:

Here's a clue,When you die, all the millions of brain cells die too. You really think these can be brought back to ' life' ?

A hundred years from now, you'll probably cure cancer by popping a pill, like you do when you have the flu, so why not? More likely this is 37k spent on making the grieving process a bit easier for the family. I think anyone that had 37k to spare would do the same if their fourteen year old was dieing of cancer

So why not ?
Are you serious - think about it ! Bringing brain cells back from the dead , is akin to making a stone come to life.

If I had £37k I certainly would not spend it on ludicrous scheme. Donating it to a Cancer Charity would help,more people.

You would not feel an obligation to a child of your own Facts?????

How do you or anyone know what will happen 100 years from now...for certain!

A hundred years from now, you'll probably cure cancer by popping a pill, like you do when you have the flu, so why not? More likely this is 37k spent on making the grieving process a bit easier for the family. I think anyone that had 37k to spare would do the same if their fourteen year old was dieing of cancer

I agree JC1326

ebulGery    20 Nov 16 01:05 
You would not feel an obligation to a child of your own Facts?????

How do you or anyone know what will happen 100 years from now...for certain!



To spend £37k to have him/her frozen ? Absolutely not.

I can't predict what will be possible in 100 years . Except I know you won't be able to 'restart' a brain !

37 bags u dont even get ur own tank, appears to be 6 to a tank ,5 in one tank as a 32 stone man is taking up 2 spaces . !00s of  years time u wake up in tank with 32 stone Zombie

everyone knows that if the brain is starved of oxygen for just a short period of time then irreparable damage is done

Presumably quite a lot of damage will be done if the brain is deprived of oxygen for 100 years

thats not exactly true ,people have been recovered drowned from very cold water and brought back to life ,this is where the idea comes from .

where are all the brain surgeons when you need them ?

could see this process causing all sorts of problems if it ever got going and would be interesting to see how the law would view the walking dead and what their legal status would be .

can see from this thread that it appears a very emotive subject .

this is just a massive scam which preys on the human fear of dying

Drowning for an hour in freezing water and being resuscitated is very different to being frozen for 100 years

Suspended in a £10 Walmart sleeping bag while tied to a coffin-shaped board, this is the frozen tomb where Britain’s only ­cryogenic child now rests.

The 14-year-old girl’s body is hung upside-down in temperatures of minus 196C while awaiting still-unknown ­techniques to bring her back to life.
Before she died from cancer last month, the teenager was confident of her ­immortality and predicted to her uncle she would live again 200 years from now.

Today is her 20th day inside her Cryostat – a huge human Thermos flask from which she hoped one day she will emerge and be cured of her cancer.
The girl’s body was flown from Britain to the US and the Cryonics Institute in Clinton Township, Michigan, last month following a bitter legal battle between her divorced parents.

The teenager’s corpse – referred to by the firm as “a patient” – is now suspended in liquid nitrogen.

37 x 37k = £1.4 mill job done

If you did this would it be legal to leave a will making yourself the beneficiary? That's what I would do.

I wonder what her school mates make of events?
Thinking that she still exists in some strange world for the rest of their lives
Its like those victorian freakshow exibits in pickled vinegar jars

my idea was to seal yourself in spray amber. some sort of epoxy.
cheaper than a coffin.
you see dragonflies and spiders in amber(not changed in millions of years- hint evolutionists)
well preserved and less likely the bugs get to you. in the dark hole in the ground.
six feet down, where the moles rule the earth. cheer up.

Evolution is a slow burn zorro thought you'd been told that?
Besides wtf you bothering about amber for being buddies with the creator and all?

You got your chair with a cushion ready in rainbow land

Given the cost involved in carrying out the procedure and then storage for undefined period of time plus the lack of people doing this....is it really that profitable ?

well that depends on how 'well' marketed it gets

What if it meant your soul was frozen in time also, and couldn't travel to the next world or be reuncarnated? very frightening, it would worry me from that point of view. Perhaps this process stops the possibility of being reincarnated.

Is there an age limit?

Wouldn't fancy being frozen aged 70 to come back in a hundred years.

Theoretically, if there was some Lazarus type cure brought the frozen back to life, they could keep doing it and then pick and chose what year they come back. Wake up me up in the year 3000 please?

Who would look after the child if ever awoke? doubt arrangements have been made for that.

If there is a God, he wont like this, power of life taken out of his hands.

If somebody burn down one of the holding pens what charge would they face other than arson?
Nothing Id have thaught

thought

Yes ,u will have paid 37 bags for a cremation

what happens if there is a power cut or the liquid nitrogen system breaks down?

my idea was to make money - funeral parlours charge a fortune for a coffin.
just dip and shake. sealed in. snug n secure. I'm giving my idea away as time is up.
it's all over kiddies.

it was okay for Hans solo in carbonite. epoxy capsules are extra.

There was me thinking punters were optimists.
Nobody can predict what scientific progress can be made in the future.
With your dna mapped, organs may be able to be cloned, new brain cells created ...
Who's to say that the ageing process can't be reversed?
How about the contents of a brain being downloaded?
Why can't someone be brought back to life?
All the answers can be found in my forthcoming book

If you suggested to someone living in Tudor times that you could take the heart out of a dead person, and swop it to a living person who has a faulty heart you would have got the same response as many on here have given.

Ultimately everything is made of Atoms, including the brain. Could it not be possible then to swop or repair faulty atoms? If it is just a complicated electrical current interacting with atoms, the possibility of jump starting a dead brain after repair is possible.

Is that all we are? a huge number of atoms working with an electrical current running the brain?

Today we think of the brain as containing our soul (even subconsciously), our uniqueness, it is what makes us ourselves. Just as people in the past believed the soul resided in the heart hence it would be impossible to have heart transplants.

I don't know the answer, but the 14 year old girl, believed her body could be repaired and restarted.

Who has the right to take that hope and belief away from her in her last few weeks of life as we know it.

RT news(pravda) showing a cryo company in Russia? $36,000 to freeze your body..$12,000 dollar to freeze just your head ? i'm kind of connected to my dikk? how much to freeze my head and dikk?

Today we think of the brain as containing our soul (even subconsciously), our uniqueness, it is what makes us ourselves.

Even if that were true, and that the future meant the process were possible.
Would it not be more likely then that the person wouldnt actually be the same person anyway after the effects?
People who have strokes can end up fundamentally different people not just in their lack of ability but the way they think and what has been suggested as 'personality'.

Although equally far fetched you could assume we all have been here before in some other guise, what makes it different is that we dont remember.
So in these cases continuum is attempted by bringing somebody back to life who had died who happens to remember before.

would it not be easier to transplant a chip or such into an embryo that contains the personal details instead of having to fanny around with dead bodies?

'easier' in the sense neither will likely happen

zorro

I think if they freeze your head - they will have froze both

maybe we could dig up saville. Freeze him up and say about a 100 years time sentence him to death for all his crimes.

Pledge sky tv - science is evolving? it'll happen?

oi vey.... have the people that did this in the seventies? are they still in their tanks or did the companies go bust?

this is an old thing. Disney supposedly did it? it might be fake though.

clone your body without a head then park your old head on the new body when your old body becomes too riddled with age.

Repeat process to constantly cheat death


That seems to be the best bet.

Steve Jobs thought it were utter pap.