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I don't expect too many answers because no one really knows,but did you ever think about it.Why are we here,Why do we exist and how did we ever get the reason or intellect to be able to ask ourselves this question never mind answering it.
there has to be a purpose for us all being here on this earth.And how did it all start.
As I said I do not expect anyone to answer these questions but feel free to give your views or opinions as to why or for what purpose we all exist.
there has to be a purpose for us all being here on this earth.And how did it all start.
As I said I do not expect anyone to answer these questions but feel free to give your views or opinions as to why or for what purpose we all exist.
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@crags,"Has anyone ever seen brassneck and Culvin in the same room together?just asking"...I haven't got a brass neck but I've got brass balls.
If I have a thousand ideas and only one turns out to be good, I am satisfied.
I intend to leave after my death a large fund for the promotion of the peace idea, but I am skeptical as to its results.
Hope is nature's veil for hiding truth's nakedness
Alfred Nobel 1833-1896
after inventing Dynamite i think he had a hunch things could go pear shaped
I intend to leave after my death a large fund for the promotion of the peace idea, but I am skeptical as to its results.
Hope is nature's veil for hiding truth's nakedness
Alfred Nobel 1833-1896
after inventing Dynamite i think he had a hunch things could go pear shaped
mokegibboni 13 Nov 16 03:47
Blessed are the cheesemakers!
Hallelujah
Now feck off big nose! (And get yourself another portion of that there halibut)
As to "What's Our Purpose"
Shirley, it's sh!ts and giggles. Innit?
Blessed are the cheesemakers!
Hallelujah
Now feck off big nose! (And get yourself another portion of that there halibut)
As to "What's Our Purpose"
Shirley, it's sh!ts and giggles. Innit?
You are the bi product of the sum of your genes and here to do their bidding.
You are insignificant but collectively make it possible for the gene to live potentially forever.
Except the 'other' actions that humans get upto may threaten the game plan and bring it to an early death.
You either do the pact of your gene or you betray the deal, either way the gene plots your death in the end.
You are insignificant but collectively make it possible for the gene to live potentially forever.
Except the 'other' actions that humans get upto may threaten the game plan and bring it to an early death.
You either do the pact of your gene or you betray the deal, either way the gene plots your death in the end.
The fact you are most likely to die later in life is the design of the gene protecting itself.
That's like saying because we need genes to survive the reason we survive is genes, doesn't make sense.
No, the gene has one game and it plays it before you are born, it does nothing after that.
The collective conscience is just all the bits given you to defend the gene.
It programmes what you are to best survive itself, it doesn't want you to damage it by having kids too late in life.
The collective conscience is just all the bits given you to defend the gene.
It programmes what you are to best survive itself, it doesn't want you to damage it by having kids too late in life.
That's like saying because we need healthy genes to reproduce the reason we reproduce is because of healthy genes, doesn't make sense.
Genes change over time. Our genes are the cause of us rather than a different organism. They have no ulterior motive or purpose and will cease to exist when humanity goes extinct.
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aasbff 13 Nov 16 00:13 Joined: 11 Nov 09 | Topic/replies: 1,756 | Blogger: aasbff's blog
I was waiting for you foinavon, here to crush everyone's beliefs and hopes Laugh
Sorry aasbff, nobody else takes any notice of me least of all the god botherers.
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aasbff 13 Nov 16 00:13 Joined: 11 Nov 09 | Topic/replies: 1,756 | Blogger: aasbff's blog
I was waiting for you foinavon, here to crush everyone's beliefs and hopes Laugh
Sorry aasbff, nobody else takes any notice of me least of all the god botherers.
genes are the mechanism whereby man has free will, not the opposite. Without genes there can be no free will and no humans.
Genes may have been the only possible way that God could create something, man, that has free will.
Man has no free will, it's an illusion.
You could break down every action into reason through cause and effect.
You decide to stand after sitting for a long period because it starts to become uncomfortable but you don't necessarily think 'I want now to stand'
If somebody throws a ball chances are you will make a decent job of catching it without knowing a think about the physics behind gravity or velocity, you subconsciously leaned from your environment but your environment is driven by code essentially.
The fact you fit into that environment is down to the 'survival mechanisms' that the gene gave you to carry out its requirement.
Much like the human is made up of more cells that are nothing to do with 'you' but work with you for their own goal.
You could break down every action into reason through cause and effect.
You decide to stand after sitting for a long period because it starts to become uncomfortable but you don't necessarily think 'I want now to stand'
If somebody throws a ball chances are you will make a decent job of catching it without knowing a think about the physics behind gravity or velocity, you subconsciously leaned from your environment but your environment is driven by code essentially.
The fact you fit into that environment is down to the 'survival mechanisms' that the gene gave you to carry out its requirement.
Much like the human is made up of more cells that are nothing to do with 'you' but work with you for their own goal.
Humans are shaped by the pleasure principle, not unlike pavlov's dog.
You are rewarded by doing the things you derive pleasure from.
You could tell somebody what they were most likely to do next dependent on the amount of data you have on them and that person could rebel and then not do the thing they were predicted to do.
But this comes down to fortitude and it is actually proven to be limited.
That's why people finally give in to temptation because they can no longer resist because resistance is finite.
You are rewarded by doing the things you derive pleasure from.
You could tell somebody what they were most likely to do next dependent on the amount of data you have on them and that person could rebel and then not do the thing they were predicted to do.
But this comes down to fortitude and it is actually proven to be limited.
That's why people finally give in to temptation because they can no longer resist because resistance is finite.
To rid the world of undesirables.
While drinking BEER non stop.
While drinking BEER non stop.
Because genes are suited to their environment doesn't mean anything, if they were not suited they would not exist and therefore it is pointless to say they exist because of that.
Our brains have evolved to keep us alive and safe from injury long enough to reproduce, not to figure out what reality might be. In that scenario, time is often of the essence and we react before the conscious brain becomes aware of it. The conscious brain ratifies decisions already made by the subconscious.
Most of our decisions have a purpose, the purpose of hunting is to obtain food, the purpose of lighting a fire is to cook it amongst other things. If we can't see a purpose for something then we feel uncomfortable and have to invent one.
Most of our decisions have a purpose, the purpose of hunting is to obtain food, the purpose of lighting a fire is to cook it amongst other things. If we can't see a purpose for something then we feel uncomfortable and have to invent one.
Our brains have evolved to keep us alive and safe from injury long enough to reproduce, not to figure out what reality might be. In that scenario, time is often of the essence and we react before the conscious brain becomes aware of it. The conscious brain ratifies decisions already made by the subconscious.
Most of our decisions have a purpose, the purpose of hunting is to obtain food, the purpose of lighting a fire is to cook it amongst other things. If we can't see a purpose for something then we feel uncomfortable and have to invent one.
Most of our decisions have a purpose, the purpose of hunting is to obtain food, the purpose of lighting a fire is to cook it amongst other things. If we can't see a purpose for something then we feel uncomfortable and have to invent one.
Yes but the question is why do we feel uncomfortable. I don't believe a tree feels uncomfortable when it dies, perhaps it does.
whilst yer at it ask god a few things and let us know what he told you.
i wont mention after that you were hearing voices...honest 
it's a miracle we all exist
what's certain our lifetime on earth is minuscule compared to the billions of years ahead of us
do I beleive in God? NO
do I beleive in another existence after death? YES
is life fair? NO
what's certain our lifetime on earth is minuscule compared to the billions of years ahead of us
do I beleive in God? NO
do I beleive in another existence after death? YES
is life fair? NO
I don't know why we feel uncomfortable lfc, perhaps fear of the unknown.
oh damn.
i cant go all non PC and accuse you of being mentally ill then.........
i cant go all non PC and accuse you of being mentally ill then.........
Being uncomfortable not knowing the answers is a natural defence mechanism.
Like not knowing whether there's a predator around the corner or not.
Like not knowing whether there's a predator around the corner or not.
So after 72 posts it's the same answer as the last time someone asked the question. Nobody has a clue.
No one has every seen a ghost
No one has ever seen a UFO
No one was ever seen anything paranormal
No one has ever had a prayer answered
No one has ever seen a miracle
No one can bend spoons with their mind
These are some of the things we do know.
No one has ever seen a UFO
No one was ever seen anything paranormal
No one has ever had a prayer answered
No one has ever seen a miracle
No one can bend spoons with their mind
These are some of the things we do know.
Rumsfeld
There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
If they have show me the evidence, I love and honour facts.
Rumsfeld was lambasted for that comment but he shouldnt have been because thats logic in action.
Its true we are all working off a clean slate and the things we dont know are far greater than what we do.
But much of what we have worked out is to the credit of those who pretty much gave their lives to a cause of working on problems.
Its not easy when you aint given much help
Its true we are all working off a clean slate and the things we dont know are far greater than what we do.
But much of what we have worked out is to the credit of those who pretty much gave their lives to a cause of working on problems.
Its not easy when you aint given much help
brassy boy will be pissing himself laughing at all the replies.
Our purpose in life is to try and behave, and improve as a species, before we're allowed back to where we originally came from, and are allowed off of this prison planet 
Or as Scandinavian puts it.............nobody has a clue.
Or as Scandinavian puts it.............nobody has a clue.
Here's a picture of my porpoise, just for you brassy lad 
ok,lets add a little psychology,if our brain will do anything that we command it to do why not brain wash it and command it on the hour of your death to take you to the heaven that you would like to go to,regardless of it being real or not your sub mind will grant your wish.
I coming round to the view that in the grand scheme of things we are no more important than an ant.....I also like the idea that we are part of an alien race's video game that can be switched off at anytime.
he's not hiding, he's waiting for harvest time. read the book people.
The purpose of life is what we make it.
It can be anything we want, we all have different benchmarks.
At the moment mine is to make lots of money, from I can see so do most of us.
It can be anything we want, we all have different benchmarks.
At the moment mine is to make lots of money, from I can see so do most of us.
I think everybody should have some purpose in life however small
If we have no purpose what is the point of life at all.
I wonder that at times.
If we have no purpose what is the point of life at all.
I wonder that at times.
zorrostrikes 13 Nov 16 20:15
he's not hiding, he's waiting for harvest time. read the book people.
What Book? And who Wrote it ?
he's not hiding, he's waiting for harvest time. read the book people.
What Book? And who Wrote it ?
Zorro claims to believe in god but rejects religion. Fair enough if true but he continually quotes from the texts of a particular well-known religion and is obsessed with its mythology and spurious predictions.
A complicated chap is our zorro although he appears to have our best interests at heart.
A complicated chap is our zorro although he appears to have our best interests at heart.
if you look for god you will find him,anyone who has never looked for him could not possibly find him.
those who have looked for him usually find him,and those who have looked for him and failed to find him have not looked hard enough.
who knows he may be inside you and you were looking out,but I assure all that if you look and seek you will find.
those who have looked for him usually find him,and those who have looked for him and failed to find him have not looked hard enough.
who knows he may be inside you and you were looking out,but I assure all that if you look and seek you will find.
life is no more than a collection of various experiences
try and have more enjoyable, pleasurable and positive ones as you can
sentient life on this planet is not meant to exist - we are here only by chance. when that 6 mile wide lump of rock hit this planet 65 million years ago it wiped out the dominant species of the planet and killed everything else larger than a small suit case. millions of years later some fish dragges themsleves out of the sea eventually evolved into monkeys and then to us.how we became sentient is unknown but if that randomn lump of rock had been a bit smaller then the affect wouldn't have been as bad and we would have never existed. had it been much bigger then it would have killed everything on the planet - not even bacteria would have survived and we would have never existed again. this is why life as we know it on other earth like planets is very unlikely. the odds of another lump of rock hitting an earth like planet at the same kind of timing resulting in the same affect are infinitesimal.
we is alone boys with a short journey - so enjoy it best u can
try and have more enjoyable, pleasurable and positive ones as you can
sentient life on this planet is not meant to exist - we are here only by chance. when that 6 mile wide lump of rock hit this planet 65 million years ago it wiped out the dominant species of the planet and killed everything else larger than a small suit case. millions of years later some fish dragges themsleves out of the sea eventually evolved into monkeys and then to us.how we became sentient is unknown but if that randomn lump of rock had been a bit smaller then the affect wouldn't have been as bad and we would have never existed. had it been much bigger then it would have killed everything on the planet - not even bacteria would have survived and we would have never existed again. this is why life as we know it on other earth like planets is very unlikely. the odds of another lump of rock hitting an earth like planet at the same kind of timing resulting in the same affect are infinitesimal.
we is alone boys with a short journey - so enjoy it best u can
Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us. Above us only sky. Nothing to kill or die for really. Just our naked souls born to further the existence of a species born long ago out of the sea - which evolved sufficiently over time to give us all the most marvelous illusion of grandeur.
ANYONE WHO IS SERIOUS ABOUT THE PERSUIT OF SCIENCE AND TAKES THE PERSUIT UP WILL REALISE VERY QUICKLY THAT THERE IS AN INTELLEGENT FORCE RUNNING AND CONTROLING THE UNIVERSE(QUOTE=A MR ALBERT EINSTEIN IN HIS LETTER TO A SCHOOLGIRL CALLED PHILLIS)
I could do with a new suit. How much per suit are we talking?
brassneck, i haven't read the letter, but surely the referral to an intelligent force doesn't necessarily imply an omnipotent "being" that "controls" the universe. That in itself, is a religious inference that most "scientists" wouldn't accept.
Moreover, that our scientific understanding was (and still is) sufficiently incomplete, to explain certain observations.
Moreover, that our scientific understanding was (and still is) sufficiently incomplete, to explain certain observations.
I take it you are talking about my spelling crags,its funny how the worlds largest betting organization has'ent got a spell checker on their forum,but it was us ould fellows how pinched and scraped in the old days so that you young fellows would get well educated .
all I had at school was a pencil and a jotter and I learned to put a full stop at the end of a sentence.and that was it.
but I still had a million pound in my bank accout before my 21st birthday.so I guess I must have learned something.
all I had at school was a pencil and a jotter and I learned to put a full stop at the end of a sentence.and that was it.
but I still had a million pound in my bank accout before my 21st birthday.so I guess I must have learned something.
he calls it Spinoza,a god of nature,he is not referring to a bible god nor am I.
The letter is on the net,check it out just type in" einsteins letter to phillis."
The letter is on the net,check it out just type in" einsteins letter to phillis."
back it those days you could get 33/1 for a hole in one in golf check out how certain guys made millions doing yankee bets.
there was even a court case.
there was even a court case.
A Yankee is a mug bet, like all multiples.
You must have got very lucky on numerous hole in one bets
You must have got very lucky on numerous hole in one bets
and don't forget" yellow sam"thats on the net too.
crage there is still one every week in every comp.but the 33/1 is gone.they don't even talk about the holes in one now,its a normal event to happen.and is regular thing.
crags type in yellow sam scam on yahoo.good night to you sir,talk soon, brass.
@brassneck,"but I still had a million pound in my bank account before my 21st birthday".Hi brassneck,If you don't mind me asking you brassneck,how much brass do you have now?
brassneck
brassneck 13 Nov 16 23:30 Joined: 13 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 8,563 | Blogger: brassneck's blog
if you look for god you will find him,anyone who has never looked for him could not possibly find him.
those who have looked for him usually find him,and those who have looked for him and failed to find him have not looked hard enough.
who knows he may be inside you and you were looking out,but I assure all that if you look and seek you will find.
This is what priests tell you when they have nothing else to offer. Sounds like an invitation to self-hypnosis and delusion.
Do you think an omnipotent god would desire anything when he has everything already at his command?
brassneck 13 Nov 16 23:30 Joined: 13 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 8,563 | Blogger: brassneck's blog
if you look for god you will find him,anyone who has never looked for him could not possibly find him.
those who have looked for him usually find him,and those who have looked for him and failed to find him have not looked hard enough.
who knows he may be inside you and you were looking out,but I assure all that if you look and seek you will find.
This is what priests tell you when they have nothing else to offer. Sounds like an invitation to self-hypnosis and delusion.
Do you think an omnipotent god would desire anything when he has everything already at his command?
The argument of the 'leap of faith' is in itself a contrivance since the act of looking is biased towards finding.
Its rhetoric that was used to argue for religion, yet the same religion says god interacted with adam and eve and even used gabriel to explain things.
You and I dont get that now apparently because god got the cob on and took his ball home and washed his hands of all those born into original sin that they had no part in.
Only to allow forgiveness of the sin that he invented in the first place (what was the creation of the tree of knowledge for if not a trap?)
Its rhetoric that was used to argue for religion, yet the same religion says god interacted with adam and eve and even used gabriel to explain things.
You and I dont get that now apparently because god got the cob on and took his ball home and washed his hands of all those born into original sin that they had no part in.
Only to allow forgiveness of the sin that he invented in the first place (what was the creation of the tree of knowledge for if not a trap?)
Perhaps he just wants to play games, Dusty. If you don't say the proper code words he will condemn you to horrendous torture but remember, he loves you.
The question was "What is out purpose in life"?
Is our purpose in life to take part in this game and avoid the traps set by god?
I suppose that depends on who is really setting the trap, god or those humans who wish to manipulate the minds of others. Is it a god who loves you or other humans who love themselves more?
Is our purpose in life to take part in this game and avoid the traps set by god?
I suppose that depends on who is really setting the trap, god or those humans who wish to manipulate the minds of others. Is it a god who loves you or other humans who love themselves more?
January 24, 1936
Dear Phyllis,
I will attempt to reply to your question as simply as I can. Here is my answer:
Scientists believe that every occurrence, including the affairs of human beings, is due to the laws of nature. Therefore a scientist cannot be inclined to believe that the course of events can be influenced by prayer, that is, by a supernaturally manifested wish.
However, we must concede that our actual knowledge of these forces is imperfect, so that in the end the belief in the existence of a final, ultimate spirit rests on a kind of faith. Such belief remains widespread even with the current achievements in science.
But also, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that some spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe, one that is vastly superior to that of man. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is surely quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
With cordial greetings,
your A. Einstein
Dear Phyllis,
I will attempt to reply to your question as simply as I can. Here is my answer:
Scientists believe that every occurrence, including the affairs of human beings, is due to the laws of nature. Therefore a scientist cannot be inclined to believe that the course of events can be influenced by prayer, that is, by a supernaturally manifested wish.
However, we must concede that our actual knowledge of these forces is imperfect, so that in the end the belief in the existence of a final, ultimate spirit rests on a kind of faith. Such belief remains widespread even with the current achievements in science.
But also, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that some spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe, one that is vastly superior to that of man. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is surely quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
With cordial greetings,
your A. Einstein
As I think I've said on her before, our purpose in life is to find a bottleneck and stand in it.
Albert Einstein wrote about his personal views on religion many times. You can read some of them on here.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_einstein.html
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_einstein.html
The purpose of life? To enjoy yourself, or what is the point?
Ask Fred West ? as Nietzsche said... if god doesn't exist.. everything is permitted.
everything came from nothing V god made everything.
I wonder if fear of god effects the choice.
I wonder if fear of god effects the choice.
King Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes - he natters on about how rich he was, how many wives and concubines he had. How much gold and jewels he had. the abundance of food etc.
first nihilist that records the total waste of time life is ? Yet the conclusion of the book is that without God it is a waste. But with God life is worth living.
What he really meant was ... he couldn't swim. Learn to swim young man, learn to swim. Meet Mike he swims like a fish.
first nihilist that records the total waste of time life is ? Yet the conclusion of the book is that without God it is a waste. But with God life is worth living.
What he really meant was ... he couldn't swim. Learn to swim young man, learn to swim. Meet Mike he swims like a fish.
The belief in the Devine is just catnip for loons.
Peter bartholomew and men turned over a certain defeat while outnumbered and under siege at Antioch in 1099 during the first crusade. With their cause getting worse by the day he believed he had a vision which lead him and his men to dig for a day looking for what they believed to be a relic.
(Quite why a Roman weapon used to torture the supposed son of God while on the cross is seen as a relic is beyond me)
The fact they were looking meant that whatever they found would be odds on to be believed to be the relic.
The believed they couldn't lose with the relic and went out to fight like banshees and pulled of an unbelievable victory.
Peter then walked through fire to prove its authenticity and died a horrific death when it turned out to be a bit of scrap.
Yet they still won?
This alone is evidence that the power of the mind, in believing something to be righteous has an effect on the individuals involved who fought believing themselves to be protected by God.
Peter bartholomew and men turned over a certain defeat while outnumbered and under siege at Antioch in 1099 during the first crusade. With their cause getting worse by the day he believed he had a vision which lead him and his men to dig for a day looking for what they believed to be a relic.
(Quite why a Roman weapon used to torture the supposed son of God while on the cross is seen as a relic is beyond me)
The fact they were looking meant that whatever they found would be odds on to be believed to be the relic.
The believed they couldn't lose with the relic and went out to fight like banshees and pulled of an unbelievable victory.
Peter then walked through fire to prove its authenticity and died a horrific death when it turned out to be a bit of scrap.
Yet they still won?
This alone is evidence that the power of the mind, in believing something to be righteous has an effect on the individuals involved who fought believing themselves to be protected by God.
If a human is born disabled do we blame them for not being able to walk like others?
If somebody through no fault of their own are targeted by fraud and cheated are they lambasted?
No, we show compassion because in both cases it's understandable and beyond the scope of the victim.
Yet God creates the possibility of sin and when supposedly tricked in the process of leading an otherwise well meaning existence then blames them for not being able to decrypt successfully the cryptic puzzle that quite frankly today has more wrong info surrounding it than info of integrity.
For such an omni present God who is magnificent enough to create everything he's rather touchy ain't he?
If somebody through no fault of their own are targeted by fraud and cheated are they lambasted?
No, we show compassion because in both cases it's understandable and beyond the scope of the victim.
Yet God creates the possibility of sin and when supposedly tricked in the process of leading an otherwise well meaning existence then blames them for not being able to decrypt successfully the cryptic puzzle that quite frankly today has more wrong info surrounding it than info of integrity.
For such an omni present God who is magnificent enough to create everything he's rather touchy ain't he?
what is our purpose in life..simple ....to reproduce and die that's it
so you know how good and empowering it feels to pay the TV license.
I believe that i now know what my own purpose in life is...,It is to be True,Kind and Caring.I also feel i have a need,a purpose in my life to fight for those who struggle to fight for themselves.
a purpose in my life to fight for those who struggle to fight for themselves.
a nice sentiment, anxious will be along shortly seeking your help. (p.s. don't mention money though as it seems to upset him and he may label you a spiv)
a nice sentiment, anxious will be along shortly seeking your help.
(p.s. don't mention money though as it seems to upset him and he may label you a spiv)
dustybin's crusader story missed the point - the crusaders were brutal basturds under a curse. What curse? the curse of the sword. The Arab tribes are under that curse right now. Peter, put down the sword, those that live by the sword die by the sword. ISIS has a black flag with two white swords crossing over each other. Iraq - Crossed Swords Monument (“Hands of Victory”) The official name of “the Swords of Qadissiya”
before you went to war in the crusade you gave up your riches to the Knights Templar - they listed all your wealth and issued a promissory note that could be cashed in at the other end, in the Holy land. The knights Templar were not idiots. ninety percent of those that went to the holy land never got there. They died on the way. Disease and foreign dangers. This made them a very rich and powerful organization. The church soon tried to absorb them. In later years they took over the masonic organizations to escape the church and other principalities. They ruled through the east india company and when that was dissolved by Victoria for their over reaches, they went into the banking industry. If you want to cross swords you need to get financing from the banks.
we fought a brutal war with Japan (now friends) Germany (now friends) our ally Russia is now our enemy. It's all set up to get people to lift a sword and murder their friends under the belief they are our enemies. The curse of the sword.
CHRIST didn't say to be a christian you have to Bomb Iraq. Syria or any other nation. That's the other guys job. murder your brother and take his lands.
You ascribe a lot of the world's mess to God, but God's pretty much left us alone(left us his word and asks for faith)It's man that does all he does. God's let us condemn ourselves. every evil is seen. the innocents that accept Christ will be redeemed and the trash will be dumped. the creator is waiting for the fullness of the gentiles to be completed. Real Justice lives in Christ. 2-2
before you went to war in the crusade you gave up your riches to the Knights Templar - they listed all your wealth and issued a promissory note that could be cashed in at the other end, in the Holy land. The knights Templar were not idiots. ninety percent of those that went to the holy land never got there. They died on the way. Disease and foreign dangers. This made them a very rich and powerful organization. The church soon tried to absorb them. In later years they took over the masonic organizations to escape the church and other principalities. They ruled through the east india company and when that was dissolved by Victoria for their over reaches, they went into the banking industry. If you want to cross swords you need to get financing from the banks.
we fought a brutal war with Japan (now friends) Germany (now friends) our ally Russia is now our enemy. It's all set up to get people to lift a sword and murder their friends under the belief they are our enemies. The curse of the sword.
CHRIST didn't say to be a christian you have to Bomb Iraq. Syria or any other nation. That's the other guys job. murder your brother and take his lands.
You ascribe a lot of the world's mess to God, but God's pretty much left us alone(left us his word and asks for faith)It's man that does all he does. God's let us condemn ourselves. every evil is seen. the innocents that accept Christ will be redeemed and the trash will be dumped. the creator is waiting for the fullness of the gentiles to be completed. Real Justice lives in Christ. 2-2
While an interesting side story I'm afraid it was you zorro who missed the point.
Peter's story explains the fallacy of the leap of faith.
The crusader's belief the piece of scrap was a relic made them pull off the unthinkable.
They won the battle against all odds merely thinking the object was a relic, ordinarily they would have got trounced.
Yet the relic was nothing.
Hence the mind won the day.
If we really wanted to be anal we could say God made the object a relic for a period to make them greater than they were but then took away its power after so as not to worship false idol.
But all that does is show the conflict between Protestantism and Catholicism, which itself undermines that rather fanciful illusion.
Peter's story explains the fallacy of the leap of faith.
The crusader's belief the piece of scrap was a relic made them pull off the unthinkable.
They won the battle against all odds merely thinking the object was a relic, ordinarily they would have got trounced.
Yet the relic was nothing.
Hence the mind won the day.
If we really wanted to be anal we could say God made the object a relic for a period to make them greater than they were but then took away its power after so as not to worship false idol.
But all that does is show the conflict between Protestantism and Catholicism, which itself undermines that rather fanciful illusion.
Religious Relics and religions are demonic. God(jesus)the spirit, did not come to make a club we can all join. We assemble in fellowship. WE the people are the church. Not the things and buildings and their caretakers. No object has power. Only faith in it has power. It's idolatry. God withdrew the sceptre from Moses that healed because they started worshipping the sceptre. God withdrew the Ark back to heaven. In revelation it's seen in heaven. Nobody kept the cup of Christ at the last supper (the grail) because they just put the cups in the wash basin and forgot them. Who would keep the cup? Insane. Men needed an excuse to make war and God is frequently used. George Bush invoked God to smite the Iraqis... FFS he walked like a monkey.. It just might be true and he's descended from one. Resources are what most wars are about. I do not believe they've fought 16 years in the middle east because they want the sand. or want to change hearts and minds.
the only relics here are people who believe that most wars are fought on religious grounds.
LAND miss Tessmarker Land, they've stopped making it.
the only relics here are people who believe that most wars are fought on religious grounds.
LAND miss Tessmarker Land, they've stopped making it.
Zorro you are totally missing my point.
If you say God didn't empower the object it simply proves my point further.
The point is that the exceptional was achieved by those who believed the object to be significant, when the object wasn't.
The pulled off an almighty victory when defeat was assured.
The point is that they alone did something super human because of the belief they were justified and God had their backs, but as you suggest, he hadn't.
Feelings invoked in them passion and people with passion put in more effort than those without.
Feeling are just results of synapses and neurotransmitters reacting from dopamine and serotonin etc that provides the experience.
When we believe an activity or thought to be righteous or virtuous this is the experience we have, it's not God it's chemicals.
Diogenes said virtue said its own reward (i.e. You reward yourself)
We actually know this is true by the brain activity under examination today.
All of this explains what is experienced when people who want to believe receive an experience when they want to 'find' God.
If you say God didn't empower the object it simply proves my point further.
The point is that the exceptional was achieved by those who believed the object to be significant, when the object wasn't.
The pulled off an almighty victory when defeat was assured.
The point is that they alone did something super human because of the belief they were justified and God had their backs, but as you suggest, he hadn't.
Feelings invoked in them passion and people with passion put in more effort than those without.
Feeling are just results of synapses and neurotransmitters reacting from dopamine and serotonin etc that provides the experience.
When we believe an activity or thought to be righteous or virtuous this is the experience we have, it's not God it's chemicals.
Diogenes said virtue said its own reward (i.e. You reward yourself)
We actually know this is true by the brain activity under examination today.
All of this explains what is experienced when people who want to believe receive an experience when they want to 'find' God.
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