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tobermory
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Editorial - 'A dark day for the world'

Lucia Graves - 'What can we salvage from the trauma of the US Presidential Election? '

Jonathan Freedland - 'The US has elected its most dangerous leader .We all have plenty to fear .

Kate Aronoff - 'Trump won. Now we organize to block him Every step of the way.'

Paul Mason - 'Globalisation is dead , and white supremacy had triumphed'

Stephen W Thrasher - 'This is a terrifying moment for America. Hold your loved ones close'

Jessica Valenti - 'How do i tell my daughter that America elected a racist, sexist bully ? '
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Report 1st time poster • November 9, 2016 6:41 PM GMT
as another post has posted better electing a racist than a leader been elected by racists ie 90% of blacks voting obama in
Report 1st time poster • November 9, 2016 6:42 PM GMT
polly townbee thoughts a shocking omission,or maybe she,s lying down in a dark room
Report MC Roller • November 9, 2016 8:21 PM GMT
How do I tell my kid they won't have a word against you know who, and anyone who does have a word, constructive or not is shut down immediately.
Report mobo • November 9, 2016 8:24 PM GMT
sky

Presenter

'what are the fears.......'  and so it goes on

talking to an american journo about the dismantling of some of obomber's policies/enactments etc

I have heard all sorts but fears and anxiety feature well - is trump going to lock all the democrats up!!!
Report Hamsterdam • November 9, 2016 8:36 PM GMT
Obama would have beat him easy, racist stuff is just daft but this is the Guardian.
Report Ivor • November 9, 2016 8:38 PM GMT
When will 'they' realise all that stuff above (aka 'UKIP supporters are racist' and 'Breixteers are traitors') fails every time..
it simply enthuses and emboldens the opposing view!
Report Alias • November 9, 2016 8:38 PM GMT
1st time poster 09 Nov 16 18:41 Joined: 25 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 20,243 | Blogger: 1st time poster's blog
as another post has posted better electing a racist than a leader been elected by racists ie 90% of blacks voting obama in

90% ?

I think maybe your abacus needs abacusrepairman.
Report Ivor • November 9, 2016 8:44 PM GMT
copy/paste..
In 2008, 96 per cent of black Americans voted for Barack Obama; in 2012, 94 percent of us did. We have been his most loyal constituency.
Report Injera • November 9, 2016 8:46 PM GMT
'white supremacy'

Give me strength...

Luvvies won't be satisfied until the President is black, female and gay.
Report SPOT THE DOG • November 9, 2016 8:57 PM GMT
The Guardian sells 12 copies per day in our newspaper shop
Report ebulGery • November 9, 2016 8:59 PM GMT
Message to Guardian columnists, live with it, move on please.
Report mobo • November 9, 2016 9:02 PM GMT
this will be like brexit - on and on and on and on
Report ebulGery • November 9, 2016 9:07 PM GMT
It will be pointless mobo, the election is over, Trump has won...

Although yes, some are still trying to over rule BrexitSad, if they can
Report onlooker • November 9, 2016 9:07 PM GMT
^ and they will get precisely Nowhere with it.
Report ebulGery • November 9, 2016 9:08 PM GMT
agree onlooker
Report tobermory • November 12, 2016 9:26 AM GMT
The meltdown continues..

Owen Jones kicking off now

'Trump’s victory is one of the biggest calamities to befall the west and the effect is that every racist, woman-hater, homophobe and rightwing authoritarian feels vindicated. This rightwing populism can no longer be dismissed as a blip. Indeed, without an urgent change in strategy, the left – perhaps all progressive opinion – will be marginalised to the point of irrelevance. Our crisis is existential'
Report The Dragon • November 12, 2016 9:34 AM GMT
guardian is a rag of the worst kind
Report allyp • November 12, 2016 9:51 AM GMT
Is the Guardian worse than the Daily Mail? Surely not.....I happen to enjoy reading a bit of the Guardian. I also enjoy reading the Sunday Times. I steer clear of certain journalists and am free to read what I want...for free....
Report jed.davison • November 12, 2016 10:11 AM GMT
Owen Jones is right. The Left has failed everywhere, and has been rejected by everybody.
Report ZenMaster • November 12, 2016 10:26 AM GMT
Probably the best take on all this ever.
Jonathon Pie nails it.

Another who admits the liberal, left, PC crowd have got it so wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
Report PorcupineorPineapple • November 12, 2016 10:38 AM GMT
I agree with zenLaugh



If anything is clear from the last 18 months or so it's that the left has to get its house in order and get back to offering a viable alternative to the me me me crowd.


Unfortunately for us we have Corbyn who is just utterly hopeless but refuses to step aside for someone more capable. Meanwhile the tories, realising Labour are no opposition any more, are more worried about UKIP and are lurching ever more towards right wing principles that would have been deemed abhorrent a couple of years ago.


Sh!t's got real, and people need to get in the game frankly.
Report ZenMaster • November 12, 2016 10:47 AM GMT
The issue with political correctness Pineapplehead is that it is an attempt to silence people or falsely expose them as racists, xenophones, bigots etc.

People have had enough.
You are part of the problem Pineapple.

Please don't agree with me again.
Report Ibrahima Sonko • November 12, 2016 10:48 AM GMT
Cool
Report Ron-Russian • November 12, 2016 10:50 AM GMT
TRiUMPhed
Report PorcupineorPineapple • November 12, 2016 10:53 AM GMT
Disagree.

People only moan about political correctness so they can act like a blert. If people didn't act like such blerts then there'd be no need for a raft of discrimination laws but unfortunately as per the last couple of posters here the world is full of whoppers who need to be shown how to behave in a civilised society. Sadly, they're just making the case for why democracy is a flawed ideology.
Report scandanavian_haven • November 12, 2016 10:55 AM GMT
Whilst PC may have gone to far, for example not being allowed to call dinner ladies, dinner ladies, but dinnerperson instead, at the same time it's helped to reign in the racists who from a bygone era and helped to shape the thinking of future generations who mostly now don't think it's acceptable to use such derogatory throwaway terms like half baked, we live in more enlightened times thanks to the new generation growing up in a more multi cultural society, unfortunately, many of the older greyer lot are still clinging on to their yooof and will carry on being the bumbling, cranky prejudiced characters they are till they reach the grave. That mentality is dying out.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE • November 12, 2016 10:57 AM GMT
Half baked? WTF?
Report ZenMaster • November 12, 2016 11:03 AM GMT
The Political Correctness fraternity change the goalposts though scandy
Nativism is now interpreted as racism.
Wanting priority for your native workers has been construed as racism by the PC crowd.

That is the biggest mistake the PC crowd has made.
Report PorcupineorPineapple • November 12, 2016 11:06 AM GMT
They've just re-badged it you fool.
Report scandanavian_haven • November 12, 2016 11:07 AM GMT
Laugh
Report ZenMaster • November 12, 2016 11:09 AM GMT
I can't agree with you Pineapple

You are part of the problemGrin
Report Room 0182 • November 12, 2016 11:10 AM GMT
"Sadly, they're just making the case for why democracy is a flawed ideology"

Thinly veiled "I don't think anyone who disagrees with me should have the vote"

It's people like him we should be most worried about.
Report PorcupineorPineapple • November 12, 2016 11:10 AM GMT
I'm more than happy to be a problem for bigots. Thanks.



10 years ago it was "I'm not a racist but..." now it's nativism not racism. The slithering goes on.
Report ZenMaster • November 12, 2016 11:12 AM GMT
The goalposts have certainly been widened Pineapple

The PC crowd want to net as many non liberals as possible on their 'race' card.
Report ZenMaster • November 12, 2016 11:13 AM GMT
Carry on Pineapple, your lack of balance is why your world is falling apart.
Report flushgordon1 • November 12, 2016 11:19 AM GMT
Its the begging bowl at the bottom of every item that shows fecked the guardian is.
Report Dr Crippen • November 12, 2016 11:25 AM GMT
many of the older greyer lot are still clinging on to their yooof and will carry on being the bumbling, cranky prejudiced characters they are till they reach the grave. That mentality is dying out.

That's pretty prejudiced in itself.
And indicates that rather than dying out, prejudice is alive and well.

It's simply its targets that changes.
Report wit-ham • November 12, 2016 11:38 AM GMT
I still live in the eighties and think we should go back to a time
before Mobs or moobs for that matter.Or As they like to call it globalisation
The world is full of finders and not doers
Report terry mccann • November 12, 2016 11:41 AM GMT
anyone sane should be happy-more power to the right I sayTongue Out
Report terry mccann • November 12, 2016 11:41 AM GMT
morning wits,braintree 4 the cup!
Report mobo • November 12, 2016 11:48 AM GMT
terry you are a tribalist and racist - braintree - how very dare you!!!  what about the rest!!??  talk about being narrow minded


see how it works Porkypine??  you can do it with almost anything where someone supports something or some one

terry hasn't even ignored blacks, gays etc etc  - he is tribalist racist braintreeist -
Report ZenMaster • November 12, 2016 11:52 AM GMT
You are using *tribalist* in a negative form there mobo

Many tribes in Africa will be offended at your usage.
Frankly i find that racist.
Report PorcupineorPineapple • November 12, 2016 11:54 AM GMT
mobo, you seem to go out your way to think you're offended by everything.


It's really quite funny. I like it. You're becoming one of my favourites on here.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE • November 12, 2016 11:56 AM GMT
I find your name offensive ZenMaster. I doubt you're a Master of anything let alone Zen. Whoever that is. The whole thing REEKS of cultural misapropriation. It's a Hate Crime.
Report mobo • November 12, 2016 11:58 AM GMT
oh zen  my sincerest apologies zen  - I will feel guilt for the rest of the day
Report mobo • November 12, 2016 11:59 AM GMT
PORKY
I most certainly am  - but there is one cult that REALLY offends me - the ones that cover up ho ho!!!
Report mobo • November 12, 2016 12:00 PM GMT
but BRAINTREE  - that was the final insult!!!
Report wit-ham • November 12, 2016 12:00 PM GMT
Morning Terry somehow i don't think so Millwall next
Report mobo • November 12, 2016 12:00 PM GMT
have they arrested the guardian lady yet ?
Report wit-ham • November 12, 2016 12:02 PM GMT
And anyway i'm from the much posher area of Witham
Braintreeers can only hope to get to a such elevated position
Report mobo • November 12, 2016 12:03 PM GMT
WITHAMIST!!!!
Report wit-ham • November 12, 2016 12:14 PM GMT
LaughLaugh
Report bigmo • November 12, 2016 12:19 PM GMT
And what about this odious individual.

David Attenborough Suggests Shooting Donald Trump


.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-attenborough-suggests-shooting-donald-trump_uk_58187699e4b04660a43a3585
Report Room 0182 • November 12, 2016 12:35 PM GMT
Attenborough's a tw@t.

HTH
Report scandanavian_haven • November 12, 2016 12:38 PM GMT
National icon, 90 years old and still fleecing the BBC with paid for trips around the world, 114 countries Planet Earth II was filmed in.
Report scandanavian_haven • November 12, 2016 12:39 PM GMT
I want to know what he thinks about carbon footprints.
Report Injera • November 12, 2016 12:40 PM GMT
Those who cry 'racist' when I order a black coffee are the problem.

They've consistently covered up the crimes of Blacks and Asians to preserve their multicultural dream. They long for the eradication of White Western Civilisation and by importing Merkel's Millions, the destruction is well advanced.

In their eyes racism is the preserve of the white man and can NEVER be the other way, no matter how many white girls are raped by Pakistani men.

Liberal fascists who demand a second chance when elections go against them. Democrats who burn effigies of Trump and throw firewoks at police because they don't like democracy.

Who are these people? Journalists, politicians and the police. Corrupt to the core.
Report PorcupineorPineapple • November 12, 2016 12:53 PM GMT
who are these people?


God knows, sounds like you've just invented them.
Report Culvin • November 12, 2016 1:35 PM GMT
The fecking guardian...Poo Bags,thats what I think they are...
Report mobo • November 12, 2016 5:00 PM GMT
How is monisha's case proceeding?
Report Injera • November 12, 2016 5:18 PM GMT
Farron among 80 MPs calling for a 2nd referendum.

And we all thought it was Clegg who killed the Lib democrats....

Perhaps they need to call themselves Lib Autocrats.
Report mobo • November 12, 2016 5:24 PM GMT
they do know what is good for us though cough cough!!
Report jed.davison • November 12, 2016 8:04 PM GMT
Have the LibDems and Farron stopped campaigning for PR now? They would have 52 MPs, UKIP would have 79.
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