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But Trump trumps this BRITISH news story
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Of course Trump dominates the news don't be so daft.
Croydon tram overturns: Two trapped and 50 injured bbbbc bbc
The item was half way down the Mail on line..its a major BRITISH news story..just saying
Unless you live in the area or are directly affected by it an accident like this is a minor news story to the rest of the country....unless you are a rubber necker type.
Minor news story..6 maybe more dead...strange sense of values you have mate
from Twitter
Danny John Jules @DannyJohnJuIes 12m12 minutes ago
Danny John Jules Retweeted BTP
Croydon has a high proportion of blacks. This affects black people more than whites. #blacklivesmatter
Danny John Jules @DannyJohnJuIes 12m12 minutes ago
Danny John Jules Retweeted BTP
Croydon has a high proportion of blacks. This affects black people more than whites. #blacklivesmatter
When the penny drops with the BBC that black lives have been lost it will be clear the decks and relegate Trump as an after thought.
I used to live quite close to Sandilands and have been on the tram countless times on that line
There are some very sharp turns not far from Sandilands - I suspect speed will be the cause, either that or it will have hit a large vehicle on the line
There are some very sharp turns not far from Sandilands - I suspect speed will be the cause, either that or it will have hit a large vehicle on the line
Very odd tweet from Danny John Jules, does he sell chips?
Was on one of these trams when I was down in London about 6 months ago, looking at the pictures it is on a bend and no other vehicle is present, so going too fast round a bend could be it. Horrible thing to happen, people falling on top of one another as the tram slides over the road 
seen the pics - accident was at the exact point I mentioned earlier
7 dead
Still not the top story on the bbc site.
Still not the top story on the bbc site.
It mentioned deaths on the bbc news briefly, was it SEVEN though?
Main BBC News at 6-00 ,or 6-30 when they got round to this minor item, said 5 dead. Shameful to ignore our news while they had 33 minutes on US election ! I wonder how much bad news the spin doctors released today ?
wow yes you're of course right, c4 news just said at least 7
40 mins into Channel 4 news before it got mentioned....shamefull
Would have thought Trams safest form of Travel
The thing looks intact, hard to Believe so many DEAD
RIP
The thing looks intact, hard to Believe so many DEAD
RIP
BBC 'Trams are not fitted with any safety protection systems that apply the brakes automatically if they are going too fast, according to the Office of Rail and Road.' Well that will be changing.
Yes it looked totally intact? Windows broke and people went under it perhaps? People on the top side broke necks falling?
It seems strange to have so many deaths.
It seems strange to have so many deaths.
One of the lines of enquiry is that the driver fell asleep.
Any chance of the US Elections playing a part in this?
Any chance of the US Elections playing a part in this?
Probably a fast tracked driver?
Not a joking thread obviously - RIP
Not a joking thread obviously - RIP
You see train wrecks with the carriages ruined with less deaths, it's strange.
I find trams a bit scary. Nearly got run over by one in Oslo once. Didn't hear it coming, and it just looked like a pedestrianised area, didn't take enough notice of the tracks obviously.
didn't it say something like the driver had been arrested but not in
connection with the crash? or did i dream that? sure i heard along them lines earlier
connection with the crash? or did i dream that? sure i heard along them lines earlier
Nah, must have been in connection with the crash, ron.
Having been on that tram in the past myself, there is a steep down hill part were speed is easily built up followed by an extremely sharp bend,
I would imagine that the passengers were thrown into each other or the sides of the carriage at a terrific force with momentum.
I would imagine that the passengers were thrown into each other or the sides of the carriage at a terrific force with momentum.
The downhill and bend might be key ,rear carriage raise and then swing in a snake like fashion with the energy concentrated there,as carriage has came down passengers put through windows and then carriage with momentum goes over the top of them trapping them under the overturned carriage and track .
Just a guess though and do not know if thats the case although having seen pictures there did not seam to be a concertina effect of the carriage ,although there could be on the underside and trapped were in the carriage .
lessons will be learned .
Unusual for a driver to be arrested so soon and also suspected "falling alseep" rather than blacking out or just not knowing what happened to be given as a cause ,maybe there is CCTV in cabin ? even then still unusual for that speculation to be released so soon .
RIP the dead injuries sound horrific and sounds like a long day for the emergency services trying to free the trapped passengers .
Looks like another case of human error although be interesting to here what safety systems were in place ,thought a dead mans handle was in operation on rail vehicles .
Just a guess though and do not know if thats the case although having seen pictures there did not seam to be a concertina effect of the carriage ,although there could be on the underside and trapped were in the carriage .
lessons will be learned .
Unusual for a driver to be arrested so soon and also suspected "falling alseep" rather than blacking out or just not knowing what happened to be given as a cause ,maybe there is CCTV in cabin ? even then still unusual for that speculation to be released so soon .
RIP the dead injuries sound horrific and sounds like a long day for the emergency services trying to free the trapped passengers .
Looks like another case of human error although be interesting to here what safety systems were in place ,thought a dead mans handle was in operation on rail vehicles .
You are more than likely correct breadnbutter, the back end carriages would have raised off the ground as the tram swung around the sharp bend, in a snake like fashion.
Everything you say is more than likely the tragic case.
If the accident had happened one hour later in rush hour, there could have been dozens of fatalities.
Everything you say is more than likely the tragic case.
If the accident had happened one hour later in rush hour, there could have been dozens of fatalities.
were all those killed on the tram or where some just walking by ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37979121
Transport bosses were warned a tram had "tipped on one side" a week before another tram derailed at the same corner killing seven, it has emerged.
Shantall Singh complained to Tramlink saying she thought she would die when a driver "sped" around the bend near Sandilands station on 31 October.
On 2 November, the company replied saying it would "fully investigate".
Tram operators Firstgroup said it was "not appropriate to comment" as investigations continue into the crash.
One woman and six men were killed, and more than 50 people were injured, when the tram derailed in Croydon on Wednesday.
Transport bosses were warned a tram had "tipped on one side" a week before another tram derailed at the same corner killing seven, it has emerged.
Shantall Singh complained to Tramlink saying she thought she would die when a driver "sped" around the bend near Sandilands station on 31 October.
On 2 November, the company replied saying it would "fully investigate".
Tram operators Firstgroup said it was "not appropriate to comment" as investigations continue into the crash.
One woman and six men were killed, and more than 50 people were injured, when the tram derailed in Croydon on Wednesday.
The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) said the tram, which was carrying about 60 people, was travelling at 43.5mph in a 12mph zone.
In its interim report, it said there was no evidence of any track defects, or obstructions on the track.
The investigation also found no malfunction of the braking system.
The tram derailed last Wednesday morning shortly after coming out of a tunnel with a 50mph speed limit.
Initial analysis shows the driver, Alfred Dorris, did apply the brake after coming out of the tunnel but only enough to reduce his speed from 50mph out of the tunnel to 43.5mph. The tram travelled 25m before stopping.
TfL has offered to pay for the funerals of those who died but came in for criticism after it was revealed the families had not been told about it in person.
In its interim report, it said there was no evidence of any track defects, or obstructions on the track.
The investigation also found no malfunction of the braking system.
The tram derailed last Wednesday morning shortly after coming out of a tunnel with a 50mph speed limit.
Initial analysis shows the driver, Alfred Dorris, did apply the brake after coming out of the tunnel but only enough to reduce his speed from 50mph out of the tunnel to 43.5mph. The tram travelled 25m before stopping.
TfL has offered to pay for the funerals of those who died but came in for criticism after it was revealed the families had not been told about it in person.
thanks zen
seems a high number of deaths when you see some of the train crashes .
seems a high number of deaths when you see some of the train crashes .
The company seems not have been monitoring the speed of the tram drivers. Previous passengers have remarked about previous speeds and considering drivers have been able to choose their speeds through that tunnel and around the bend, then i would imagine this was an accident waiting to happen.
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