Why are we allowing Halal in the UK?

Poor little goats

The animal that never bothers anyone but unlucky for them a certain
breed took a liking to sh@gging them & eating them killed in a bloodthirsty
barbaric way

Shocking footage shows halal slaughtermen 'taunting sheep before hacking them to pieces'

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shocking-footage-shows-halal-slaughtermen-5095722

this from well over a year ago, why can't people get it in their heads these people
are evil....who would throw a poor animal about that's about to be slaughtered like that?

What the **** are we doing?
These ****s shouldn't even be in the country, id rather put a goat up for the
night than one of these "what ever they are"

How do you like your meat to be slaughtered Ron?

#carpet-bomb

**** off

normal stunned

or don't eat meat the other quite acceptable option

Many don't die fro stunning and are carved up or boiled alive in the case of pigs, there's no nice way to kill your food. Halal or otherwise.
It's also not the best way to encourage debate by telling people to **** off.

Its about animal welfare.

why are we bowing to some sick killing paedo that was more than likely a
false prophet & still to this day poor animals are being killed in a barbaric
way?
if i ever met him id knock the **** spark out

I see it's another anti muslim thread not an animal welfare one at all. I'll leave you to it. Have a nice day.

the **** off wasn't to you pantsonfire.

you just slipped in between posts

why anti muslim.

This is about Animal cruelty which i'm sick of going on in this once great
country be it jewish or muslim.

it makes you laugh, its bonfire night and they give out great little bits
of advise, makes sure there's no small animals, hedge hogs etc in your bonfire
before starting it......but the gutless @rseholes are quite happy to let barbaric
sick slaughter go on behind closed doors.

SORT IT OUT FFS

*ADVICE

Nov 6, 2016 -- 4:05AM, Ron-Russian wrote:

normal stunned

I have said this before and will say again. Businesses don't have a religion. Their purpose is to make money. You take off the halal label and you'll see the difference. They suit their product to the demographics. If they stop putting halal they'll go out of business soon and guess who will take over the market? Then you'll be complaining about them.

And if you look at the percentage of muslims under 5 years of age, you'll realize the halal label is not going anywhere.

One day all meat here will be halal. It's either cruelty to animals or it isn't, will the RSPCA just have to continue looking the other way?

Nassim Nicholas Taleb on the subject...

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.s3437xox7


 
" We can answer these points using the minority rule. Yes, an intolerant minority can control and destroy democracy. Actually, as we saw, it will eventually destroy our world.
So, we need to be more than intolerant with some intolerant minorities. It is not permissible to use “American values” or “Western principles” in treating intolerant Salafism (which denies other peoples’ right to have their own religion). The West is currently in the process of committing suicide."

pantsonfire 06 Nov 16 04:03 
How do you like your meat to be slaughtered Ron?


Ron-Russian 06 Nov 16 04:05 
normal stunned


like over 90% of halal meat is.

unlike 0% of kosher.

Here in oz businesses pay to have their products halal certified. It's all about money as usual. Some of these products have got nothing to do with meat. Eg Nestle coffee.

Not far from here it is common for people to dispatch their own goat/sheep in the back yard so that 90% might be a bit off.

We don't seem to allow halal pork

@kamikazee I was going to mention that too. We often think halal means slaughtered meat when it actually refers to a product or food that doesn't contain any non-permissible products such as gelatine from pig or similar(only for food industry). Fact is, as stated, its a game of money and no one wants to miss out on making money just because they dont want to make a product that muslims cant buy. That is stupidity.

And while we keep producing muslim hating threads here on the forum, our fellow soldiers killed over 2 dozen civilians in Afghanistan a couple days ago. Just in case you wonder the next time why they hate us.

Why was it that we invaded Afg by the way?

Until I read the Chit Chat/Politics Forum postings, I would never have believed that we had so many white heterosexual British/Irish/European sports bettors who :

(a) Eat Halal meat, having no problems with way it is slaughtered

(b) Like the sound of the call to the Mosques in British towns

© Love the idea of having undocumented, age-unknown,  motives-unknown 'Refugees" flooding into Britain in huge numbers, and accommodating them in their own homes

(d) Don't have a problem with people burning poppies on British streets and being fined just £50 for it, even if the fine can then be paid for by a Hate Preacher subsequently (and belatedly) sent to jail on terror convictions.

Do these sorts of Sports bettors also operate in such numbers at racetracks, loudly airing such misguided opinions?

you care whether someone said a prayer before slitting an animal's throat?

the issue is not halal slaughter, it's prestunning.

as i said. 90% of halal meat is prestunned prior to slaughter. 0% kosher.

everyone seems far more concerned about the final seconds of an animal's life; less so about how well they have lived up to that point.

stun gun abattoir isn't exactly a jolly site

sight

Nov 6, 2016 -- 12:37PM, DStyle wrote:

pantsonfire 06 Nov 16 04:03  How do you like your meat to be slaughtered Ron?Ron-Russian 06 Nov 16 04:05  normal stunnedlike over 90% of halal meat is.unlike 0% of kosher.

Sorry, I didn't get your point. I just read about both the procedures. There is hardly any difference. Both involve cutting same 3 parts with a knife. Muslims are actually less strict as their animals can be slaughtered by jews or christians and it will still be halal, as long as the method was correct(which is the same for jews and muslims) and Gods name is taken before slaughtering. Also, acording to what i know, my friends have told me they have no problem consuming meat that is kosher, even if it doesn't say halal because kosher > halal(in terms of prerequisites).

As per my knowledge, the muslims(lets say when they were in minority here) had a hard time finding halal meat here as the govts did not allow slaughter. It was then agreed as a middle ground that the animal will be stunned(gvt approved way) and since we claimed that after stunning the animal didn't feel any pain, the muslims had no difficulty in getting the alaughter part approved as the animal wasn't feeling any pain(accoding to us) anyways. hence the slaughterhouses that produce halal meat have to stun because our governments force them to. The muslim way does not involve any stunning at all and consider it animal cruelty.

Are you saying that kosher meat in Europe or UK involves only slaughter and no stunning?

Stunning has been obligatory in the European Union since 1979 in order to spare animals "avoidable pain or suffering", though most member states make exceptions for religious communities.

This tells me that if muslims stun their animals, they do it because of the european law(which i was referring to in my previous post). So muslims stun only when they have to comply with the law. They'll be glad if we don't force them to stun, just like the koshers(which you say do not stun the animals).

hi detraveller,

my point is that most people with an anti-muslim agenda dress up their halal argument as one of animal welfare, when it's really no such thing.

Dhabihah prescribes that the animal must die from the cut to the throat, and the concern in the past has been that by stunning an animal, this may kill it first, and therefore the meat may be haram. As you point out, the majority of clerics have accepted that pre-stunning is fine as it's very unlikely the animal will die this way.

There is no such relaxation for Shechita.

Therefore if the concern is one of animal welfare, the Jewish rituals are far more worrying than the Islam ones.

You have to have a set of standards which apply across all religions.

As an extension, if you are really concerned about Islam, your number 1 concern should probably be faith schools and the state funding of faith schools across all religious denominations.

I couldn't agree more really.

Anyone who believes in free speech, women's rights, gay rights, and is against threats of physical intimidation should be Anti Islam.
Personally I don't give a monkeys how Islam decides to slaughter it's food.

A 1974 Catholic church estimate of the population of East Timor was 688,711 people; in 1982 the church reported only 425,000. This led to an estimate of 200,000 people killed during the occupation, which was widely reported around the world. Other sources such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch also support an estimate of over 200,000 killed.


The protection of the catholic population in East Timor from mass genocide by Islamic Indonesia was partly responsible for the formation of Al Qaeda.  They were unhappy that they couldn't kill them all.

Let's not start about who killed who. People kill. Thats it. We kill. They kill. They kill in the name of religion. We call it for freedom, liberation, democracy and what not.

If your purpose of posting is only to bash the muslims, i'd recommend creating a mega-thread as people do it fondly on this forum.

My purpose for posting is to not let mass murderers hide behind the cloak of Islamophobia bashers such as yourself.

If someone kills due to an ideology then that ideology needs to be bashed.

Again, mass murders have been committed by almost every country, including yours and mine. Motivation to do so differs but no motivation is better than the other. Do you think Britain became a colonial flower by distributing flowers among the rest of the world?

*power

And arguing about their way of life such as how they kill their meat, is playing into the hands of sympathisers and fanatics.

No one in the whole world gives a feck about what a few individuals are posting on a thread on betfair. So it doesn't play into the hands of the sympathisers or fanatics. I have only stated facts in my discussion. Plz read again. Then read what you have written and think for yourself why people like you are labelled islamophobs.

As to why we are arguing about how they kill their animals, the hint is in the thread title.

This country and many other countries have done some barabaric things throughout the ages, but we live in the present, and at present the threats and barbarism this world faces are due to Islam.

It shouldn't be protected (from criticism).  To do so would be crazy.

and who in your opinion is protecting them from criticism?

That's nothing - just wait till the demographic shifters get hegemony - halal meat will be the last thing on your mind

If criticism is labelled Islamophobic or anti Muslim, and by association racist, then proliferation of that phrase is designed to protect the ideology from criticism.

It is not racist to criticise a cult.

detraveller    06 Nov 16 16:52 
and who in your opinion is protecting them from criticism?


Detraveller, watch this clip, it will show you how the UK media tip toe around Islam. The question is about why Rochdale police ignored long term, large scale child rape by Muslims. At 4.45 mins Steve Cougan is the first panelist to try and tell the truth, his stammering two minute performance without at any time mentioning Islam is excruciating. Tackling Islam is not even on the horizon here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agCv0GKBL7E

If you leave, it is baseball bat time in bradford

3 minutes in saddo

kirsty allsop made the  mistake of thinking the children were women

I thought it was Rotherham, not Rochdale

Same thing gone on in loads of towns I think.

*in all cases the police ignored allegations from victims, for some reason or other.

It's both, just googled.  And both police cover ups too.  Shocking and symptomatic of the fear of being branded Islamophobic.

"According to Sunnah al-Hadith Book 28, Hadith 38 (Sura 5 ayat 6 and Sura 4 ayat 24) it is permitted to enslave and rape non muslim girls and women"

I can't vouch for that being true myself, but I suspect it's true.  I tried to find specific reference but my virus software blocked it.

Makes you wonder if the Police and councils ignored em on their own initiative, or were instructed from higher up.

It is not allowing halal - its more about allowing any cult