Anti-Gay bakers lose in court(Ireland)

It's not allowed to oppose homesexuality in any way.

Opponents of the 'Turing Law' have been labelled as homophobic. What is homophobia? Well, it's become a word for anyone who doesn't approve of men fiddling with other mens' private parts..

Good grief, what are we doing...

As for this case, the gay man clearly set up this Christian baker.

For the gay community to not appreciate the irony of opposing free speech/behaviour is astonishing. Mind you, the gay lobby are not about gay rights anyway. They're about opposition to anything remotely traditional.

Same with the hoteliers over here who wouldn't allow those two to bugger each other or whatever they do, in their hotel. So they gave them separate rooms.

The courts ruled against them as well.

A liberal gay who posted on here said that if you feel that way about gays them you shouldn't run a hotel.

Yet Muslims run hotels and discriminate against people all the time.

Will the purchaser get to enjoy his large moist fruit cake?

On that judgement i could tell the judge to reverse the ruling
if not then i will take him/her to court for not doing as i asked.

can't see the difference

I wouldn't share all Tatchell's politics but have always admired him since he took a beating trying to arrest Mugabe. He makes a very well thought out argument.

Chase me !

get over it guys. those that dont support gay marriage will support it the moment one of their own says "dad, im gay"...........human nature is so patethic

You've missed the target bdj, the principle her is the erosion of freedom and free speech.

You can only run a business on the terms imposed by the state.
For example; you can't choose who you do business with.

You can't say certain things which have been decided by the state.

It's very dangerous path we're going down with regard to our freedoms.

Thought police.

Get with the narrative or go to jail.

Who controls us? The people we can't criticise. Gays and Muslims. The fact that these two groups are chalk and cheese sums up the 'narrative'. Clueless.

I am sorry over this verdict

People should have a right to their own opinions and principles

If it had been me I can assure no one would have enjoyed eating that cake

what I would have put in it

I think Gay Marriage is the most insane idea I have seen.

I do not think people can be forced to like gays.

If it had just be left at Civil Union, nobody would have objected, Human Beings at time are extremely stupid.

It will not last, my prediction after I am gone.

Not reading through all this shyte , but has anyone said 'nice  buns' yet?

"i do not think people can be forced to like gays"............i hope u dont have children..........if one of them is gay im sure u can just disown him..........after all no one can force u to like ur own child

That is rather unfair bj....if I had a child of course I would love them if they were gay or not.

I only objected to Gay Marriage, because that has always been between a MAN and a WOMAN, it should be left like that.

MR & MRS on TV and First Dates, full of shirtlifters now. Nothing against them and my kid brother is of the gay persuasion, but a bit of overkill going on, for me.

The Northern Ireland Equality Commission's Chief Commissioner, Dr Michael Wardlow, said he welcomed the decision to reject the McArthurs' appeal.

He said: "The message that goes out today is that people should be free to be able to go in and access services without having to run some lottery, to know whether or not my belief conflicts with those."

What a ridiculous statement when there are shops that are set up and advertised on the very basis that the owners are trying to offer a service to those whose religious beliefs conflict with most others e.g halal or kosher and won't provide a service to anyone who disagrees with these religios beliefs.

I'm sure I read that at the time it was being proposed that priests/ministers could refuse to conduct a wedding service if gays involved.
Can't see many of them being taken to court.

two men getting married has no impact whatsoever on me.........its like the euthanasia debate........if a person is in agony and wants to die, what the heck has it got to do with me............let them at it.

Church of England are forbidden by law to conduct Gay marriage. Some other branches of Christianity may allow it.

There is a problem with this line
He said: "The message that goes out today is that people should be free to be able to go in and access services without having to run some lottery, to know whether or not my belief conflicts with those."

This ignores peoples beliefs, beliefs are important to people, so I disagree with that line

People make their own choice if they agree with Gay Marriage or not Shrewd dude.

I approve of euthanasia myself

He said: "The message that goes out today is that people should be free to be able to go in and access services without having to run some lottery, to know whether or not my belief conflicts with those."

A no gays sign would solve that problem. They'd have no lottery to run then.

two men getting married has no impact whatsoever on me.........its like the euthanasia debate........if a person is in agony and wants to die, what the heck has it got to do with me............let them at it.

I personally don't care whether 2 men get 'married' either. What I do take umbrage with is when they try and force someone who isn't gay and may only consider marriage as being an act between a man and woman to marry them. Then complain that because other people may have a difference of opinion they are hateful and bigoted.

i dont agree with surragocy but if there ever was an attempt to ban it i would be against banning it........its not for me but i wont prevent anyone else from doing it..........i cant understand why anyone would vote against gay marriage..........it only effects gay people....

^^ hark at her

ebulgery, your man trump is taking one heck of a pounding in the polls...........this is so over mate.

That wasn't the point though bdj.
What I was saying is that if priests and ministers are allowed to refuse to conduct the service because of their beliefs why shouldn't this couple be able to do the same.

akabula

I think Gays, men and women, rely on the tolerance of the rest of us. Which most of us give them voluntarily.

But nowadays they demand what they consider is their rights, they ignore people who may find difficulty with them.

Marriage is something special, I don't think we should play games with it.

To me what gays have is actually 'Gay Marriage' this is not the same as normal marriage never will be.

We all should have a right to express an opinion that is all I ask.


ta for that bdj...I shall sleep well

Perhaps a portmanteau would have been more palatable to the masses, few could object to a couple of poofs getting a garage.

It's basically a limit on the freedom of expression. If the couple had said no we can't bake your cake then nothing would have been able to be done because any business has the right to refuse to accept an offer under the law of contract. The problem is that they gave their opinion for their decision to refuse the offer.

It becomes a dangerous world when you get to the stage you can refuse to conduct business with someone but you can't give your reason for doing so.

If they had said "take your business elsewhere you dirty poofs" then fair enough but to simply disagree with the message is ridiculous.

the world is changing guys..........in 50 years time gay marriage will be legal everywhere except strict religious countries......these debates will be redundant..........people will just bake the bloody cake and that will be the end of it........they wont even blink........

The world may change....human nature does not...I wont be here in 50 years time, probably just as well

There is a strange irony here.
The cake makers are religious and refused on the grounds of their faith.
It reminds me of the Christian story of Jesus kicking over the tables of those trading in the house of the Lord.
There has been a constant message through time whether it be from the pious or philosophers on materialism to warn others not to abandon themselves into the false god of money worship.

Yet what this determination says is counter to that message, it says for those involved in enterprise you must abandon faith.
It's like new age temptation by the devil for those religious.

The state tries it's hardest to borrow from ancient scripts on proverb and preach when it attempts to placate humans in its process of control, yet tries to force others to ignore it when their own contrived power is shown to be illogical.

I'm sure plenty will rejoice this verdict but I congratulate the bakers for holding on to their beliefs and hope they stand firm against tyranny.

Is there any difference in going in an Indian restaurant & demanding a Pork Chop.

faith would be the winner in that instance obviously

Its counter intuitive to allegedly attempt to entrap those who think differently since the result is that you get shown up as not respecting others' beliefs and you lose the support of the mainstream in society.

If the couple had said no we can't bake your cake then nothing would have been able to be done because any business has the right to refuse to accept an offer under the law of contract. The problem is that they gave their opinion for their decision to refuse the offer.

This is the key point.

I think they initially agreed to bake the cake, thus entering a contract.  They subsequently broke the contract and explicitly stated the reasons why which were in contravention of discrimination laws.

So, the next time they are required to bake a cake which offends their beliefs, they can simply say no....with no legal recriminations.  And everything will be tickety boo.

^That doesn't hold water.

If you refuse their business they can claim discrimination.

You can think of examples where the cake maker would point blank refuse to put
what was asked for on the cake if it offended their religious beliefs.

akabula:

I'm sure I read that at the time it was being proposed that priests/ministers could refuse to conduct a wedding service if gays involved.
Can't see many of them being taken to court.

Give it time..

Already happening in America.

To add to the farce is the fact gay marriage still isnt even legal in N.Ireland.

You could argue the business has been punished for refusing to take an order that supports an illegal activity.

Can, worms..everywhere.

If it was me I would have refused to pay the fine/compensation and gone to jail. There's a battle for our minds. It was ever thus.

Today i notice the migrants in Calais are referred to as 'residents' of the Jungle. More classic media spin to make us fit with the narrative. I call them squatters.

If I was a Christian Baker ...or even a Croatian one...I would have given them gays a big messy EXPRESSIONIST cake with unreadable words and if they complained I would have cried DISCRIMINATION gainst free artistic expression...!

Yeah, two can play at that fookin' game.

Ron Russian - - how many fiercely passionate Porkists are out there...?

Talking about messages on things, there is also a problem with messages on T-shirts. You can't just have a T-shirt made with any message you wish to have printed on it. For example, if you have the words 'F**k Off' on it, and the police see it, you may well be prosecuted for it. If you have something like 'Respect Islamic State Bombers', or, 'Muslim Religion is Fake' on it, that will almost certainly put you in trouble and possibly grave danger as well. Mind you if you have something like 'All Christians are Losers', then you would probably get away with that!

So there are wording restrictions on things other than cakes!

Justice at last, 2 fingers(iced) to the gayers.

It has thus taken over FOUR YEARS, and hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal 'expertise' to reach a conclusion that was blindingly obvious to most back in 2014.

Doubtless there's still time though for a further vexatious legal action to be taken against the Bakery, as the Supreme Court verdict will surely not be acceptable to the Self-Imagined Tolerant Vibrant Community and their idiot media cheerleaders. 

The verdict of the Supreme Court doesn't go far enough. It should firstly immediately refund the innocent parties the reported £200,000 they have spent defending themselves against this ludicrous "discrimination" case. Ideally that money should be seized from the bank accounts of those responsible for bringing the case.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

Questions will now be asked as to whether the Equality Commission was right to spend more than £250,000 of public money on this case.

No doubt the lawyers involved will be very grateful indeed to members of the Equality Commission for putting so much work their way.

This reminds me of the RSPCA and their strong ties with a certain firm of lawyers that they give all their legal work to at extortionate rates.

It's just the start. 'Project Ireland 2040', they are going to make sure you won't recognise the place.

More news from the island of Ireland. No female children are at risk (apparently) from men who say they are actually women. All a bit different from the UK then.

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/15/monumental-change-ireland-transformed-transgender-rights

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6227957/Transgender-sex-offender-41-groomed-12-year-old-schoolgirl-jailed-11-years.html

Oct 10, 2018 -- 11:28AM, alun2005 wrote:

It has thus taken over FOUR YEARS, and hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal 'expertise' to reach a conclusion that was blindingly obvious to most back in 2014. Doubtless there's still time though for a further vexatious legal action to be taken against the Bakery, as the Supreme Court verdict will surely not be acceptable to the Self-Imagined Tolerant Vibrant Community and their idiot media cheerleaders.  The verdict of the Supreme Court doesn't go far enough. It should firstly immediately refund the innocent parties the reported £200,000 they have spent defending themselves against this ludicrous "discrimination" case. Ideally that money should be seized from the bank accounts of those responsible for bringing the case..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

thought that the supreme court were the "enemies of the people" - are they not any more?

sometimes they are , sometimes they’re not

They come out with a lot of Dross

This shows what a farce getting justice can be the UK.

The bakers lost the first case.
Then they lost their appeal against the decision.
Now the Supreme Court has ruled in their favour.

So is every decision that fails to reach the Supreme Court unsafe?
And can you only be sure of getting justice if you have enough money to pay for it?

We've have a justice system that stinks according to that.

can't have your cake and eat it

What a pile of cr@p and a waste of time and money this was.

Social Justice Warrior tries to make a point, in their usual 'pretendy victim' way.

Bakers should have made the sh!tt1est cake imaginable, iced it with guano and put a swastika on it - they'd have fulfilled their side of the business transaction and made their point and SJW would have had to go somewhere else - like he should have done all along - to get his cake (I bet it was a rainbow Battenburg he wanted!)

I'd have offered em something constructed with chocolate eclairs and ring donuts.

Ooooh naughty but nice!!!!

To make matters worse, the imagery used by the gay supporters used pictures of 'Bert and Earnie'.
Sesame Street declared recently that Bert and Earnie are not actually gay, they are friends.
So they wet the bed over that one too....perhaps Sesame Street should sue?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45566451

unlucky

Coming so soon after Brett Kavanaugh liberals will be apoplectic as if Brexit and Trump weren’t enough.

I guess my learned judges saw through this as a case of a gay activist targeting a Christian business. Replace ‘christian’ with ‘islam’. Wonder how that would have worked out, never mind how the various parties involved would have reacted, as well as external commentators and the media.

The ‘liberals’ feel safe targeting peace living Christians

I think peoples religious views do need to be taken into account

Also Bert and Ernie is for young children, is it right to involve them in a sexuality war

Leave that decision to when children's are older I feel


I am only back 5 minutes and my homophobia surfaces...yes I know disgraceful

I think peoples religious views do need to be taken into account

Also Bert and Ernie is for young children, is it right to involve them in a sexuality war

Leave that decision to when children's are older I feel


I am only back 5 minutes and my homophobia surfaces...yes I know disgraceful

Don't worry - it has been noted.  Little khan and cressie will be popping round to adjust your thinking.  You will feel fine after.  Tazers don't really hurt much.

Dr C sums it up. An appalling indictment of our justice system.

5 (five) judges have concluded the bleedin' obvious: the bakery objected to the political campaign they were asked to support.

They did NOT refuse to serve the gay man because he was gay. They'd actually served him before!!

The bakers made it clear they would have refused to bake the cake if a straight man had requested it.

What a waste of time and money not to  mention the emotional cost to the family who have stood by their argument for 4 years.

Rarely see the news, just seen that Mr Lee is a 'gay rights activist'. Was it a coincidence that he chose this bakery, or had he done some homework?

Mr Lee has stated that it made him feel like a second class citizen. Well Mr Lee, if you dressed properly and had a clean up you wouldn't look like a second class citizen!

It was all planned and paid for, the cake wasnt purchased to celebrate any event.

Customer Gareth Lee requested a cake featuring the Sesame Street characters Bert and Ernie, iced with the message: "Support Gay Marriage."

Are Bert and Ernie Homosexuals ?

listening to classic fm news whilst cooking the tea
Item comes on and then the gay guy is interviewed - so we only hear from his side do we??

I bake Cakes , so if some one refused to make the cake why did he not bake it himself or get a Relative/Friend to bake it for him , an absolute Load of shyte , if the people do not believe in Gay Marriae why should they bake the Cake ,if someone came in wanting a Raycist cake Baked I am sure they would not bake that or an Anti Gay cake for that matter  , A pathetic news Item ....

That can only possibly have run its course in the Pathetic Snowflake Luvvie society we live in .

Michael Wardlow, the head of the Equality Commission for Northern Ireland, said it had spent £250,000 supporting Lee’s appeal. It will now have to pay costs.

Delighted in the ruling.

You cannot bully someone into agreeing with you

The 21st century will go down in history as 'The Age of Stupidity'

"Political correctness inspired fascism - a warning from history".

Oct 10, 2018 -- 7:09PM, Aspro wrote:

The 21st century will go down in history as 'The Age of Stupidity'

I couldn't agree with you more Aspro and things will only get worse that's for certain. I honestly do despair of the world we live in sometimes.

I think social media is a curse on humanity as it gives a very loud shouting but small minority of ****ing scumbags a huge voice to influence society and policy, and we either don't have the capacity or have just not adjusted to it yet. Mob rule by total cretins.

And that's only just one part of a big multi aspect problem. 24 hour news has an effect, infiltration if not total takeover of our primary media by SJW type pr1cks etc... so many things going wrong.

Sky News writer accepted a dare I think. Reporter just said "many see this as a victory for those who only want to put cake in their mouths, and nothing else."

Great decision by the Supreme Court.
The argument by the young couple was always against the message on the cake and not the customer or his sexuality.
The customer however made it obvious by his comments he was out to get the couple.
One thing changing the law but no way should anyone be forced to change their views on the subject.

It`s getting bloody ridiculous.

The world is going PC mad. It will prove the destruction of mankind.

.... sorry didn`t mean to offend anybody ....... humankind

.... sorry didn`t mean to offend anybody ....... humankind

I was going to laugh there but will refrain in case we get sued

1 for u mmac

I won't be buying my fairy cakes from them anymore

I think social media is a curse on humanity as it gives a very loud shouting but small minority of ****ing scumbags a huge voice to influence society and policy, and we either don't have the capacity or have just not adjusted to it yet. Mob rule by total cretins.


The problem is social media is treated as sources for news now. Look at the BBC. Historically a great org but now a joke who pen 5hite on their website and throw in a few random tweets to back up their opinion.
Politicians are more spineless than ever in case the twitter mob (majority of whom are fake accounts) get outraged and it gets reported by media

Moisock

Are Bert and Ernie Homosexuals ? case

That is most intereting case I am surprised no evidence was presented as the case hung on that

I think we have made great progess in accepting gays, but it is going to take a little time for some of us to catch up

Acceptance worked fine for most of my life. Now it isn't enough, they insist we positively encourage what they are/do.

Ernie is not gay, he's always out with some Big Bird.

The process is the punishment.

Anyone who knows anything about freedom, democracy and human rights knows that the state cannot force people to use their labour and skills to promote political and ideological messages with which they disagree.

This case was grotesque from the start. It was a complete affront to everything our forebears fought and died for.

But the state has an almost limitless amount of taxpayer's money to spend persecuting and prosecuting people who do not fall into  new sexual revolutionary ideology. The people it targets are often poor people, individuals and small businesses.

It doesn't matter if the state keeps losing. It can keep putting people through the wringer again and again and again and again. Nobody will get fired. The money keeps coming.

This is the scandal. The imbalance. The abuse of power.

And this ruling simply doesn't stop it.

Hanx unfrtunately there is probably a lot of truth in what you say.
I mean this case is just pathetic. I'm ok with people being
ghey, I'm totally ok with a legal construct that accepts that, within
reason I'm totally on that side.

But this case seems to be yet another case of militant lbgtb&q gone wrong.

@ 250k+ expense to the NI taxpayer.

Cake makers need to start charging by the letter with any words related to gender, politics, religion etc costing extra.

Mark: At the start - 'Their shirts made them look like Uruguay. Now - 'We're making them look like Uruguay.'

Spot on comment on the BBC site. how bad are we.

Sorry wrong thread

.... and they made us look like gay bakers