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Why give them a second chance though?
Wouldn't an automatic ban like when caught drinking and driving, send a clearer signal that the practice will not be tolerated under any circumstances?
Wouldn't an automatic ban like when caught drinking and driving, send a clearer signal that the practice will not be tolerated under any circumstances?
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Agree totally, a ban might scare a few and probably save a few lives as well
Perhaps they should hang him
...give an even clearer message Dr Crippen
After all they hung you?
Punishments have to be in proportion
Although I accept if it costing lives, then the punishment should be increased
...give an even clearer message Dr CrippenAfter all they hung you?
Punishments have to be in proportion
Although I accept if it costing lives, then the punishment should be increased
Although I accept if it costing lives, then the punishment should be increased
ebulGery, you've just hung a bloke for answering his mobile phone whilst driving.
How are you going to increase his punishment there?
ebulGery, you've just hung a bloke for answering his mobile phone whilst driving.
How are you going to increase his punishment there?
Can't see any reason for an automatic ban not to apply.
Using a mobile while driving is an abhorrent, selfish practice without any justification. Perhaps if people knew that a ban would occur they'd be less sanguine about taking the risk....?
Using a mobile while driving is an abhorrent, selfish practice without any justification. Perhaps if people knew that a ban would occur they'd be less sanguine about taking the risk....?
Should be hanged - purely for the pedants of course.
Absolutely parispike.
No one's forcing them to use the phone whilst driving. It's purely their own selfish choice.
If they think that chatting on the phone at the wheel is more important than safety, then take away their licence to drive.
No one's forcing them to use the phone whilst driving. It's purely their own selfish choice.
If they think that chatting on the phone at the wheel is more important than safety, then take away their licence to drive.
Have you ever been a passenger, in a car, with the driver preoccupied with other activities?
I have, and it was my very own eldest daughter!
M62, heading for Manchester to "The Eagles" concert.
Stopped for refreshments, but with me double locked in the car, with the alarm going off.
On the road again, with said driver messing around in her bag, looking at the phone and drinking coffee, and eating a sandwich, and all the rest!
The thing is that I could feel the left to right corrections, in the steering, and this was at 70mph!
Unfortunately, the way to divorce your own daughter is to make any criticism of her driving!
I have, and it was my very own eldest daughter!
M62, heading for Manchester to "The Eagles" concert.
Stopped for refreshments, but with me double locked in the car, with the alarm going off.
On the road again, with said driver messing around in her bag, looking at the phone and drinking coffee, and eating a sandwich, and all the rest!
The thing is that I could feel the left to right corrections, in the steering, and this was at 70mph!
Unfortunately, the way to divorce your own daughter is to make any criticism of her driving!
No excuse, every phone has an answer phone. Should be an instant ban.
That's life in the fast lane for you, Aunty.
Oh, and for possibly the first time ever I agree with the bad Dr.
I watched a bus coming down the road towards me on one occasion, and the driver was using one hand to take a bite out of a sandwich.
The fact that he thought the risk was worth taking, tells it's own story about the low level that deterrents are set at for these sorts of crimes.
The punishments should be set at a level that will deter people from committing them, not to be looked on simply as an acceptable hazard.
Which is how many people view fines for driving offences such as these.
The fact that he thought the risk was worth taking, tells it's own story about the low level that deterrents are set at for these sorts of crimes.
The punishments should be set at a level that will deter people from committing them, not to be looked on simply as an acceptable hazard.
Which is how many people view fines for driving offences such as these.
It isn't just the phone, it's all other distractions!
My beautiful wife was driven into when stationary at traffic lights.
She could see the car coming, and with the driver looking at her mirror, whilst putting on eye makeup.
She was hit so hard that she was pushed half a car length into the car in front.
My beautiful wife was driven into when stationary at traffic lights.
She could see the car coming, and with the driver looking at her mirror, whilst putting on eye makeup.
She was hit so hard that she was pushed half a car length into the car in front.
Sad state of society today where responding/looking at the phone appears to be more important to some than anything else happening around them
Social blight on society.
Social blight on society.
It is, and even a problem with pedestrians, who are so engrossed with their conversations that they are
not aware of traffic around them!
not aware of traffic around them!
Dr Crippen • September 17, 2016 2:15 PM BST
Although I accept if it costing lives, then the punishment should be increased
ebulGery, you've just hung a bloke for answering his mobile phone whilst driving.
How are you going to increase his punishment there?
I was being slightly facetious Dr Crippen
How many people have been killed by a vehicle being driven by a person using a mobile phone?
apart from this sad case
How many accidents have involved one driver using a mobile phone?
If it is increasing then the punishment must be increased.
One can never remove all risk from driving.
Although I accept if it costing lives, then the punishment should be increased
ebulGery, you've just hung a bloke for answering his mobile phone whilst driving.
How are you going to increase his punishment there?
I was being slightly facetious Dr Crippen
How many people have been killed by a vehicle being driven by a person using a mobile phone?
apart from this sad case
How many accidents have involved one driver using a mobile phone?
If it is increasing then the punishment must be increased.
One can never remove all risk from driving.
I was being slightly facetious Dr CrippenBlush
And I was with my reply.
And I was with my reply.
My friend Nazan Fennell's 13yo daughter was killed in Nov. 2011 by a texting lorry driver. Naz is frequently on TV and radio and in the press as she has now devoted her life to improving road safety. Nazan lost her job, her home and her health as a result of the loss of her daughter and is now slowly coming off medication 5 years later.
The driver who killed Naz's daughter got 2 months jail for dangerous driving and 4 months for perverting the course of justice. The perverting the course of justice was because after he saw her under the truck he climbed back in the cab and deleted his messages.
so whats the law?is hands free allowed?
i've got an old brick of a phone which is seldom on for incoming calls anyway - unless by prior arrangemet
i've got an old brick of a phone which is seldom on for incoming calls anyway - unless by prior arrangemet
I am incensed!! Why should I have to stop texting while driving one of my sports cars on my way to a drunken orgy, if I am late. It is up to others to make allowances for my driving, which will clearly be impaired. It is called being considerate to other drivers.
Can't see what all the fuss is about. If people are in the way it is there fault.
I also get enraged when people beep their horns at me when I am applying mascara to my eyelashes when on the motorway.
It really beggars belief.
However I am quids in having laid the 1 - 1 correct score on everton/boro match.
pip pip!!!!
Can't see what all the fuss is about. If people are in the way it is there fault.
I also get enraged when people beep their horns at me when I am applying mascara to my eyelashes when on the motorway.
It really beggars belief.
However I am quids in having laid the 1 - 1 correct score on everton/boro match.
pip pip!!!!
I would have a .5 browing mounted on one of my motors
I have a cooper with the sliding glass roof - I could just pop out and let out a small burst - that should stop 'em.
I have a cooper with the sliding glass roof - I could just pop out and let out a small burst - that should stop 'em.
ps hands free is nearly as distracting as holding a mobile as you can easily be pulled into a long discussion or argument etc etc etc - this completely takes you away from concentrating on driving.
I don't want to fall out with you - you nasty homophone - but - i faught it woz a lay in gambolling tirms
i could be wrong - i very often am - but not two nite - I have scooped it on evertone
i could be wrong - i very often am - but not two nite - I have scooped it on evertone
you've never heard of "i've laid that for 200 quid"
You've got me thinking now!
but there's no word layed
but there's no word layed
We will have to go toe to tow on this one ron!!
I insist on blunderbusses in balloons at 5000 metres
funny though - I have always said layed as far as betting is concerned
but my two groups of hens, I kept, would have 'laid' eggs
weird I admit!!!
I insist on blunderbusses in balloons at 5000 metres
funny though - I have always said layed as far as betting is concerned
but my two groups of hens, I kept, would have 'laid' eggs
weird I admit!!!
This is partly caused by our modern life, we use our mobiles all the time, and texting of course.
If I get a call while driving I never answer, I wait until I can pull over and park, then answer it.
I don't live a very busy life though.
It looks as if the penalties will need to be increased.
If I get a call while driving I never answer, I wait until I can pull over and park, then answer it.
I don't live a very busy life though.
It looks as if the penalties will need to be increased.
I always answer mine. You never know it might be an emergency.
Sometimes they might be running out of beer and other serious problems.
Sometimes they might be running out of beer and other serious problems.
On my way back from 'ooop norfe' - well midlands - M40 guy in a jag - middle lane - about 70/80 - we woz following around same speed - seemed a bit odd as he never pulled into inside lane - there woz very little traffic
we eventually went round him - the kant was on the phone - ha ha
we eventually went round him - the kant was on the phone - ha ha
Does it matter what the penalty is when there are never any police patrols trying to catch the offenders?
Actually I think it matters more Clerkmore.
If you think about it.....
If you think about it.....
The only area where the police can be affective and you rarely see any.
Too busy looking after their careers to bother about enforcing the laws on the streets.
Too busy looking after their careers to bother about enforcing the laws on the streets.
Anyone texting while driving, even stationary, should get an instant 1 year (minimum) ban. Or even imprisonment.
Much worse than talking on the phone or eating a sandwich, users aren't looking at the road.
Also though, while distractions are being clamped down on, Big roadside advertising isn't remotely necessary and quite dangerous.
One I'm thinking of is on the M5, just after joining from the M6, Huge moving pictures right by the side of a busy motorway. There are loads of others.
Much worse than talking on the phone or eating a sandwich, users aren't looking at the road.
Also though, while distractions are being clamped down on, Big roadside advertising isn't remotely necessary and quite dangerous.
One I'm thinking of is on the M5, just after joining from the M6, Huge moving pictures right by the side of a busy motorway. There are loads of others.
I'm posting while driving down the A19 . How much do I score for that ?
moisok
ps hands free is nearly as distracting as holding a mobile as you can easily be pulled into a long discussion or argument etc etc etc - this completely takes you away from concentrating on driving.
Was part of a team of six who fell out with our boss over this.
We always pulled over to answer but was a bit of delay when on the motorway.
Anyways he got us hands free but after a first use and a bit of a chat amongst us we told him we were ing to use it.
You still have to take your eyes off the road to press answer and the convo was totally distracting.
ps hands free is nearly as distracting as holding a mobile as you can easily be pulled into a long discussion or argument etc etc etc - this completely takes you away from concentrating on driving.
Was part of a team of six who fell out with our boss over this.
We always pulled over to answer but was a bit of delay when on the motorway.
Anyways he got us hands free but after a first use and a bit of a chat amongst us we told him we were ing to use it.
You still have to take your eyes off the road to press answer and the convo was totally distracting.
Well Reynard, you're obviously in control of the situation if not drunk.
So the sentence I'd give you would be 100 lashes; and if you survived that, a ban from driving for life.
Oh, and I'd definitely ban you from posting on here.
So the sentence I'd give you would be 100 lashes; and if you survived that, a ban from driving for life.
Oh, and I'd definitely ban you from posting on here.
I'd ban women in short skirts and killer heels from walking down the street . I've got a serious shoe fetish and I've had countless near misses thanks to Christian Louboutin !
what I found with hands free was you could get stuck into a long conversation about anything from - policy, arrangements and to where you were going - do you see where I am with this? - as opposed to a quick - hi!! etc - totally distracting
NO NO NO HOW ABOUT REYNARD'S 'uman rites - he has everu rite
TO BE BURNT AT THE STEAK
(hope you like that medium rare etc)
TO BE BURNT AT THE STEAK
(hope you like that medium rare etc)
Sep 17, 2016 -- 11:39PM, zorrostrikes wrote:
is it still okay to wear a blindfold?
Has it ever been okay? Sounds unlikely.
Its still ok to wear the next best thing to the blind fold believe
it or not - the full face veil they call it.
it the new trendy thing they're trying to force upon the youngsters of the UK
without giving the true barbaric reasoning's
it or not - the full face veil they call it.
it the new trendy thing they're trying to force upon the youngsters of the UK
without giving the true barbaric reasoning's
"I also wear the Hijab, it's beautiful!" - Bizarre German TV Ad Campaign advertises Veil to Girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu9K2TCON58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu9K2TCON58
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-release-horror-aftermath-footage-122941058.html
Penalties is not the issue here. For all the talk of deterrence, the ultimate punishment is that the driver crashes or runs someone over while distracted. If that doesn't deter them, nor will an extra 3 points.
The problem is not the stiffness of the penalty but the low chance of being caught.
But what gets me are the muppets who answer the phone and pull over to continue the conversation while stationary, as the law demands. Clearly their heart is in the right place but why not stop before answering?
The government has got this wrong. Rather than stiffen the law, it should do what was done with seatbelts: advertising and education campaigns so that it is no longer socially acceptable not to use one. Drink-driving was much the same iirc.
Is it possible technology can help? The phone companies probably can tell you are in a moving car, so could just block all calls, but they wouldn't know if you are a passenger or hands-free. Maybe the chit chat boffins can think of something.
The problem is not the stiffness of the penalty but the low chance of being caught.
But what gets me are the muppets who answer the phone and pull over to continue the conversation while stationary, as the law demands. Clearly their heart is in the right place but why not stop before answering?
The government has got this wrong. Rather than stiffen the law, it should do what was done with seatbelts: advertising and education campaigns so that it is no longer socially acceptable not to use one. Drink-driving was much the same iirc.
Is it possible technology can help? The phone companies probably can tell you are in a moving car, so could just block all calls, but they wouldn't know if you are a passenger or hands-free. Maybe the chit chat boffins can think of something.
An automatic ban will deter. Will also offset to a certain extent the insouciance caused by the low detection chance.
I see loads of drivers going past holding a mobile phone to their ears as I walk on the pavement.
In slowly moving traffic they look sitting ducks for the police.
In slowly moving traffic they look sitting ducks for the police.
can you still jerk off while driving? or has the world gone
completely bonkers !!!
completely bonkers !!!
The annoying thing about his is how simple it is to change peoples behaviour.
DON'T increase the fine or penalty now.
Simply get someone in an office to go through film from speed cameras and catch say 20,000 across the country. Same procedure as speed cameras. Cheap admin. Fine them and give them 3 points. Advertise
the fact it is not acceptable and the camera campaign and print the names of those caught in the local paper. Keep stats on how many are using phones per 1000.
(If for any reason speed camera film cannot be used, just get coppers to stand by side of road in built up areas with camera - fines will cover operational costs and advertising campaign)
Phone use will reduce.
Wait 6 months and repeat exercise. Check stats vs original campaign.
Hopefully, phone usage will decrease, in the same way as smoking with children in car, drink driving and seatbelt.
THEN increase fines to 6 points.
DON'T increase the fine or penalty now.
Simply get someone in an office to go through film from speed cameras and catch say 20,000 across the country. Same procedure as speed cameras. Cheap admin. Fine them and give them 3 points. Advertise
the fact it is not acceptable and the camera campaign and print the names of those caught in the local paper. Keep stats on how many are using phones per 1000.
(If for any reason speed camera film cannot be used, just get coppers to stand by side of road in built up areas with camera - fines will cover operational costs and advertising campaign)
Phone use will reduce.
Wait 6 months and repeat exercise. Check stats vs original campaign.
Hopefully, phone usage will decrease, in the same way as smoking with children in car, drink driving and seatbelt.
THEN increase fines to 6 points.
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