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05 Sep 16
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Why can't we get British unemployed people to fill some of the jobs being done by immigrants from the EU?
I'm thinking of retail, agriculture etc.
I realise the wages are low but presumably incumbents would receive in-work benefits.
Is the answer as simple as that the eastern Europeans are keener because they're used to lower wages and therefore are a more attractive proposition to employers?
I'm thinking of retail, agriculture etc.
I realise the wages are low but presumably incumbents would receive in-work benefits.
Is the answer as simple as that the eastern Europeans are keener because they're used to lower wages and therefore are a more attractive proposition to employers?
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Would the long term unemployed of Newcastle or Glasgow see an improvement in their standard of living by moving to Norfolk to pick potatoes?
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Perhaps not, but they wouldn't need to buy as many jumpers so that would be a financial blessing.
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Not really my point, Foi (probably my fault).
An unemployed person in Newcastle could go for a job in a coffee shop could they not? (I'm not certain of the rules but if he/she is say 20, and has never worked, wouldn't they be obliged to attend an interview?) |
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This is not about maligning anyone. It just seems crazy to import people to do jobs and pay them benefits when we have people in this country who have never worked.
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It's probably still the case that a pound buys more goodies in Eastern Europe than it does in Britain. A Polish labourer who worked on my property some years ago told be that he worked here in the summer then went home during the winter and used the money to build more rooms on his home for his family.
If you can see some real reward for the effort and discomfort of moving, sharing accommodation and working long hours for a few months then you feel more enthusiastic than someone who feels forced to apply for work to avoid losing some of his benefits. |
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Yes, that was my theory (see last line of my OP).
But unless you want a life of unemployement, you either have to start at the bottom or get some skills or qualifications. |
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its quality of the candidate, and education is a major factor.
will take years to sort out, meanwhile we produce some almost unemployable youths, so importing workers from overseas of elsewhere in the uk is an easy option. |
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or elsewhere ....
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imo ,its not just the low wages but the treatment employers can meat out to those on low pay not just fruit picking etc but mike ashley good example,an immigrant for whatever reason far more likely to put up with workhouse conditions in 2016
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Agree with all of the above.
The contruction sector is a different issue though as a lot of the work is skilled or sem-skilled. We are told that there is a genuine shortage of workers in these trades. Is that the case? Haven't wages for brickies and the like fallen? |
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same argument employers of skilled trades like my own welders,platers etc would rather employ an immigrant on less money doing a worse job because he can play fast and lose with welfare,health and safety etc
never heard an employer give a single reason other than those above why they,d favour an immigrant worker over a better skilled uk worker |
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it seems easy to employ a skilled migrant on short term contract and avoid health and safety issues
long term its probably just cost factor of wages do we still produce welders in uk ? or just import them ? |
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last firm I was at still did an apprenticeship scheme but they only took on one a year. Not the money in it now like when I first started mine.
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100,s of welders out there highly skilled out of work also 1000,s getting out of the game because of low rates been payed,every town in the north,n east,scotland has bus loads of low skilled immigrants blagging it as tradesmen been bused into fab shops,shipyards etc,plenty of petrochem firms ,powers stations in the north have pickets outside demonstrating about immigrnts getting work before uk workforce
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it seems to me that Britons are better off unemployed .it must cost the state thousands to support a large family
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