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If God can do anything, could he make a rock so heavy that he was unable to lift it,and if he can do that it would mean he would be unable to lift it, which proves that god can not do everything.
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God could just modify himself so he could lift it. Built a supernatural weight bench, do a few reps with a planet, take some creationistatine supplements.
If you read the 'Bible' mr Foinavon, you would find a passage -
John 4 - Jesus Talks With a Samaritan Woman.
He reveals to this woman who is not a jew (that might be important)
that God is Spirit. So Lifting Rocks which is physical matter would
be uninteresting, he's interested in our spiritual attributes.
Pantheism is the belief that God is limitless in scope?
Yet the Bible clearly makes it clear that God hasn't this quality?
He's obviously outside our dimensional understanding. Four dimensional
beings cannot understand spiritual beings.
John 4 - Jesus Talks With a Samaritan Woman.
He reveals to this woman who is not a jew (that might be important)
that God is Spirit. So Lifting Rocks which is physical matter would
be uninteresting, he's interested in our spiritual attributes.
Pantheism is the belief that God is limitless in scope?
Yet the Bible clearly makes it clear that God hasn't this quality?
He's obviously outside our dimensional understanding. Four dimensional
beings cannot understand spiritual beings.
jesus did sin when he was on earth.
one day he walked into a temple and found the people using the church or temple to sell their goods ,a sort of flea market.
so jesus lost his cool and launched an unprovoked attack on the people.He wrecked the church and scattered tables and chairs.
I think this is a sin but people never talk about it.
remember you heard it first from brass.
one day he walked into a temple and found the people using the church or temple to sell their goods ,a sort of flea market.
so jesus lost his cool and launched an unprovoked attack on the people.He wrecked the church and scattered tables and chairs.
I think this is a sin but people never talk about it.
remember you heard it first from brass.
As it so often is the answer's in the question. "If God can do anything" then he can do anything.
Was only trying to help Zorro 
. Thanks for putting me right 
. Thanks for putting me right
But I think you have avoided the question. A reply that would make a politician blush.
What would be the reason for this rock? Would you lie in the middle of the road?
cut yourself with rusty blades? step in front of a bus? God has choices too.
Making rocks to prove a point isn't one of them???
cut yourself with rusty blades? step in front of a bus? God has choices too.
Making rocks to prove a point isn't one of them???
Hi Foinavon, eating, nice to here from you. Will post in a sec.
He basically built that rock - the fall of creation.
He's spent 14 billion years trying to put it right?
His greatest creation Satan is now an enemy and
dumb questions keep coming from people who won't try
to understand his words in a rather large book.
He's spent 14 billion years trying to put it right?
His greatest creation Satan is now an enemy and
dumb questions keep coming from people who won't try
to understand his words in a rather large book.
I'm assuming that "If God can do anything" means God can do everything. If not then the rest of the OP doesn't make much sense.
So if it was a statement of truth that God can do anything: build a rock he can't pick up and also pick it up. No paradox at all. I'm confident that someone who knows propositional calculus could prove it.
So if it was a statement of truth that God can do anything: build a rock he can't pick up and also pick it up. No paradox at all. I'm confident that someone who knows propositional calculus could prove it.
I am inclined to agree with you there Charlie
I do not know propositional calculus well enough to disprove it on here
the branch of symbolic logic that deals with propositions and the relations between them, without examination of their content.
I do not know propositional calculus well enough to disprove it on here
the branch of symbolic logic that deals with propositions and the relations between them, without examination of their content.
ok let me run this by you all.
We all have five senses,=sight,hearing,taste,smell,touch.
Suppose by mistake a person was born with only 2 senses=smell and taste.
That person would view the world/universe/god with the only two senses that he had taste and smell.that person would never understand about seeing,hearing,or touching and would live a remote life of smelling and tasting.
Now as I say we all have five senses but there is a lot we do not understand about the world/universe/god.
so when we say it dosent make sense about god it really means our 5 senses is not enough to understand.
its like trying to get the guy with 2 senses see, hear, and touch ,it would be impossible for him to understand what the other 3 senses are all about.
BY THE WAY YOU ALL HAVE A SIXTH SENSE THAT YOU NEVER USE YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU ARE GIFTED AT BEFORE YOU USE IT.
We all have five senses,=sight,hearing,taste,smell,touch.
Suppose by mistake a person was born with only 2 senses=smell and taste.
That person would view the world/universe/god with the only two senses that he had taste and smell.that person would never understand about seeing,hearing,or touching and would live a remote life of smelling and tasting.
Now as I say we all have five senses but there is a lot we do not understand about the world/universe/god.
so when we say it dosent make sense about god it really means our 5 senses is not enough to understand.
its like trying to get the guy with 2 senses see, hear, and touch ,it would be impossible for him to understand what the other 3 senses are all about.
BY THE WAY YOU ALL HAVE A SIXTH SENSE THAT YOU NEVER USE YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU ARE GIFTED AT BEFORE YOU USE IT.
"BY THE WAY YOU ALL HAVE A SIXTH SENSE THAT YOU NEVER USE"
BITO swears it's gaydar
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BITO swears it's gaydar
.
Logic and mathematics are outside of the sensory realm and are thought processes.
Good to see you on here Charlie. Were you watching the WI game? Talk about get out of jail.
Good to see you on here Charlie. Were you watching the WI game? Talk about get out of jail.
This statement claims GOD can do anything, so he creates something, he cannot do????????????????,namely lift this rock.
There is no way both these propositions can be true at the same time......as they directly contradict one another.
This looks like rubbish to me.
There is no way both these propositions can be true at the same time......as they directly contradict one another.
This looks like rubbish to me.
I think it might be Faith,some people except God and have no problem believing in him,others search for him so they must have some belief because you don't look for something that you don't believe exists.And others have no faith at all and get annoyed because they can not understand the people with faith.
Think I need to look for some old threads again for the craic
This statement is perfectly logical if time is taken into account.
God can do anything, he creates something he cannot do, so now he cannot do anything..simples..erm????
God can do anything, he creates something he cannot do, so now he cannot do anything..simples..erm????
This statement claims GOD can do anything, so he creates something, he cannot do????????????????,namely lift this rock.
There is no way both these propositions can be true at the same time......as they directly contradict one another.
This looks like rubbish to me.
Surely the rubbish is in the initial premise that there exists a god who can do anything. That it the source of the paradox.
There is no way both these propositions can be true at the same time......as they directly contradict one another.
This looks like rubbish to me.
Surely the rubbish is in the initial premise that there exists a god who can do anything. That it the source of the paradox.
I would not argue with that Foinavon....Zorro will do that
I will leave you with the words of the great ALBERT Einstein in his letter to Phyllis jan 24th1936.
EVERYONE WHO IS SERIOUSLY INVOLVED IN THE PERSUIT OF SCIENCE BECOMES CONVINCED THAT SOME SPIRIT IS MANIFEST IN THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE.ONE THAT IS VASTLY SUOERIOR TO THAT OF MAN.
EVERYONE WHO IS SERIOUSLY INVOLVED IN THE PERSUIT OF SCIENCE BECOMES CONVINCED THAT SOME SPIRIT IS MANIFEST IN THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE.ONE THAT IS VASTLY SUOERIOR TO THAT OF MAN.
Einstein wasn't right in everything. Every serious scientist, without exception? Really?
How can it be logical to say such a thing? Very unscientific of him if he actually said those words. What is your source?
How can it be logical to say such a thing?
Very unscientific of him if he actually said those words. What is your source?
Helen Keler for Senses argument - devout christian.
Like there is no scientific proof for God.
1. the bible - a large book that can be read by people who say they can read.
2. odds(betfair) Universal laws/rules such as electromagnetic theory - invented
by a scotsman called James Clerk Maxwell (http://silas.psfc.mit.edu/Maxwell/maxwell.html)
devout christian, a super christian...
Thousands of prominent scientists know there is a god. It's not faith. They see the dirty
fingerprints on creation.
3. The story of Christ itself - it's a mental story that is more true than anything anyone
could think up - weaved into a jewish narrative which is 4000 years old. To know Christ is to read the old testement not the new. Christ is revealed in the old is the Victorian saying.
4. to 10,000 other reasons to come later...
Like there is no scientific proof for God.
1. the bible - a large book that can be read by people who say they can read.
2. odds(betfair) Universal laws/rules such as electromagnetic theory - invented
by a scotsman called James Clerk Maxwell (http://silas.psfc.mit.edu/Maxwell/maxwell.html)
devout christian, a super christian...
Thousands of prominent scientists know there is a god. It's not faith. They see the dirty
fingerprints on creation.
3. The story of Christ itself - it's a mental story that is more true than anything anyone
could think up - weaved into a jewish narrative which is 4000 years old. To know Christ is to read the old testement not the new. Christ is revealed in the old is the Victorian saying.
4. to 10,000 other reasons to come later...
its in his letter and its on the net but he goes on to say its not the bible god he is talking about ,he talks about Spinoza's god which is a god of nature.
Professor Iain Stewart reveals the story behind the Scottish physicist who was Einstein's hero; James Clerk Maxwell.
Frognik - upchabuttahole.
Frognik - upchabuttahole.
Well he is entitled to his views but not entitled to speak for everyone else. I suspect you could probably name at least a couple of serious scientists who do not share this opinion.
Einsteins letter to Phyllis (24 TH JANUARY 1936)just google it.
its an answer to a young school girl who wrote to Albert asking if he prayed.Einstein had to be careful what he said in the reply because he knew the media were watching every word he wrote,but he done it well as you will see if you google it.
its an answer to a young school girl who wrote to Albert asking if he prayed.Einstein had to be careful what he said in the reply because he knew the media were watching every word he wrote,but he done it well as you will see if you google it.
James Clerk Maxwell - FKin nobody was smarter than that fellow.
You is all mental - pure brainwashed mentals.
Einstein's hero - not a mincer in a dress saluting the queen.
You is all mental - pure brainwashed mentals.
Einstein's hero - not a mincer in a dress saluting the queen.
God does not play witt dice MAN, he proper serious science dude.
He hiding his face till fullness of plan. Then he collect his winnings.
He hiding his face till fullness of plan. Then he collect his winnings.
God cannot act against his own essence.
The so called "paradox" is really just casuistry.
The so called "paradox" is really just casuistry.
Thanks Brassneck, just read it. As you said he had to measure his words especially as it was an open letter to a young girl.
I stand by my earlier comment that he is not entitled to speak for other scientists only for himself. Interesting that he still expressed his view that his belief was quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
I stand by my earlier comment that he is not entitled to speak for other scientists only for himself. Interesting that he still expressed his view that his belief was quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
"Some high ground is not worth taking
Some connections are not worth making..."
Some connections are not worth making..."
i am the way, the truth and the life, no one goes to the father
except by me. whoever has seen me has seen the father.
reject da man and eat a big pile o dust ye turkeys.
he sent the invitations to the party, all you have to do is accept it.
except by me. whoever has seen me has seen the father.
reject da man and eat a big pile o dust ye turkeys.
he sent the invitations to the party, all you have to do is accept it.
We are all prisoners of religion Vel, even those like me who do not believe. In Einstein's day the pressure to conform was much greater than it is today at least in the UK. This may only be transient unfortunately.
AGAIN... name anyone smarter than JAMES CLERK MAXWELL ?
EINSTEIN's HERO ?
EINSTEIN's HERO ?
HE CREATED the EQUATIONS - the language the other
Scientist's use? HE invented the Branch of PHYSICS that einstein
pissed about in.
Scientist's use? HE invented the Branch of PHYSICS that einstein
pissed about in.
Maxwell was a great scientist Zorro but then so were some others. I would name Paul Dirac as not necessarily greater but on an equal footing. As Newton said we are all standing on the shoulders of giants. Each generation has better tools to work with.
Have just seen your orange picture and am wearing my dark glasses.
Have just seen your orange picture and am wearing my dark glasses.
"Prisoners of religion" kind of smacks of Gnosticism and cages, etc.
As opposed to this : "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
As opposed to this : "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
casuistry
the use of clever but unsound reasoning, especially in relation to moral questions; sophistry.
interesting Velasquez
The statement God can do Everything...would mean he could never create something he could not do..it would contradict that.
But if he can never create something he cannot do....that is one thing he can't do, so he can never do everything?
In the words of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
that just about wraps it up for God
the use of clever but unsound reasoning, especially in relation to moral questions; sophistry.
interesting Velasquez
The statement God can do Everything...would mean he could never create something he could not do..it would contradict that.
But if he can never create something he cannot do....that is one thing he can't do, so he can never do everything?
In the words of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
that just about wraps it up for God
In the words of Wittgenstein : "Some of you feckers need to go out all day in the mid-day sun and plant some cabbages."
In the bible god said that man shall not eat of the tree of knowledge which sounds like a contradiction to knowing the truth which will set one free. The cage of religion.
one protein - chances of it forming - Francis Crick.(DNA FAME)
10 to the power of 64 - 64 zeros after 10.
10 to the power of 64 - 64 zeros after 10.
Brilliant, it's the right time of the year for cabbage planting too.
Of course if one say GOD do anything...that would mean he could contradict himself
So again in the words of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
DONT PANIC Zorro, perhaps GOD is not as dead as we think
So again in the words of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
DONT PANIC Zorro, perhaps GOD is not as dead as we think
Amino acids, the building blocks of proteins occur through natural processes and have been found in objects from space.
Lucifer's gambit was this - You can be his equal, you can be like God and know everything.
It implies that Adam is inferior. You can do better. You are a superior sort.
Be self Righteous - have some pride in yourself. Pluck the fruit.
seize the day.
It implies that Adam is inferior. You can do better. You are a superior sort.
Be self Righteous - have some pride in yourself. Pluck the fruit.
seize the day.
Can't look it up Vel, I binned my bible more than 50 years ago. Something called Genesis wasn't it? What was the passage?
This God is dead - because he's been quiet for two thousand years?
The fullness of the gentiles ?
The lord is hiding his face for a reason. The plan is the plan.
I will wait for the LORD, who is hiding his face from the descendants of Jacob. I will put my trust in him. (Isaiah 8:17)
The fullness of the gentiles ?
The lord is hiding his face for a reason. The plan is the plan.
I will wait for the LORD, who is hiding his face from the descendants of Jacob. I will put my trust in him. (Isaiah 8:17)
"...but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
That is, "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil..." In the New Testament, Jesus is THE TREE OF LIFE, and he died nailed to a piece of wood, a tree. The NT concludes that the final state, determined by the Tree of Life, is far superior to anything that existed in the original "paradise" before the Fall. In other words, THAT was the plan all along, existing before the universe was ever made.
Now, as an arty guy, I'm sure you will appreciate that the Salvador Dali painting in the Kelvingrove kinda hints at this "cosmic" dimension...
That is, "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil..." In the New Testament, Jesus is THE TREE OF LIFE, and he died nailed to a piece of wood, a tree. The NT concludes that the final state, determined by the Tree of Life, is far superior to anything that existed in the original "paradise" before the Fall. In other words, THAT was the plan all along, existing before the universe was ever made.
Now, as an arty guy
, I'm sure you will appreciate that the Salvador Dali painting in the Kelvingrove kinda hints at this "cosmic" dimension...
who is smarter than James Clerk Maxwell - Einstein's Hero.
HE CREATED the EQUATIONS - the language the other
Scientist's use? HE invented the Branch of PHYSICS that einstein
pissed about in.
HE CREATED the EQUATIONS - the language the other
Scientist's use? HE invented the Branch of PHYSICS that einstein
pissed about in.
He sees it Valesquez - but he don't understand it?
Blinded by science - James Clerk Maxwell.
Blinded by science - James Clerk Maxwell.
Yeah, I remember that painting, view from above wasn't it? Very good. I also liked his bendy pizzas with clock faces.
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to leave you guys to your prayers now.
Bonne nuit.
Bonne nuit.
When they ate from that tree in Genesis, did they die immediately? No - they continued to live, yet they died SPIRITUALLY because they had no relationship with God. Man has a body, a soul and a spirit, but their spirits were "caged" so to speak , by their souls, their souls being their knowledge of good AND evil, and their inclinations determined by their every whim, like and dislike, their personalities apart from God.
, by their souls, their souls being their knowledge of good AND evil, and their inclinations determined by their every whim, like and dislike, their personalities apart from God.
i am smarter than Einstein, Smarter than James Clerk Maxwell.
I binned that moldy book, when At five I realized I was smarter
than Blaise Pascal - I am my own man without bars on the cell I
have no need for a God that would imprison me in his arms in
a loving hug and would give me eternal life. It's simple nonsense.
A book for children like JAMES CLERK MAXWELL. A mental midget like
Blaise Pascal. HA HA HA.
I binned that moldy book, when At five I realized I was smarter
than Blaise Pascal - I am my own man without bars on the cell I
have no need for a God that would imprison me in his arms in
a loving hug and would give me eternal life. It's simple nonsense.
A book for children like JAMES CLERK MAXWELL. A mental midget like
Blaise Pascal. HA HA HA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyp34v6Lmcc
Arcade Fire - My Body is a Cage...
Arcade Fire - My Body is a Cage...
he's gone mr Valesquez - throw another Pharaoh onto the fire.
Well, good night all, anyway...cabbage n corned beef tomorrow...or today I should say...
zorrostrikes • August 3, 2016 11:52 PM BST
HE CREATED the EQUATIONS - the language the other
Scientist's use? HE invented the Branch of PHYSICS that einstein
pissed
about in.
I think Einstein did more than that Zorro. Science progresses by scientists standing on each others shoulders
James Clerk Maxwell FRS FRSE (13 June 1831 – 5 November 1879) was a Scottish[2][3] scientist in the field of mathematical physics.[4] His most notable achievement was to formulate the classical theory of electromagnetic radiation, bringing together for the first time electricity, magnetism, and light as manifestations of the same phenomenon. Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism have been called the "second great unification in physics"[5] after the first one realised by Isaac Newton.
The Human species started as being very hairy and living in caves. One cannot get from there to Higgs Boson in one generation.
I do not deny religion Zorro, because I think we do need to believe in something that operates outside of time and space, the physical Universe
we live in.
What has happened is science has progressed extremely quickly in the last 150 years, so a lot of explanations which were offered by religion
are now explained by science.
But I would not take away your religion Zorro.....and the human species are a long way from knowing everything.
I think all bets are still on.
HE CREATED the EQUATIONS - the language the other
Scientist's use? HE invented the Branch of PHYSICS that einstein
pissed
about in. I think Einstein did more than that Zorro. Science progresses by scientists standing on each others shoulders
James Clerk Maxwell FRS FRSE (13 June 1831 – 5 November 1879) was a Scottish[2][3] scientist in the field of mathematical physics.[4] His most notable achievement was to formulate the classical theory of electromagnetic radiation, bringing together for the first time electricity, magnetism, and light as manifestations of the same phenomenon. Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism have been called the "second great unification in physics"[5] after the first one realised by Isaac Newton.
The Human species started as being very hairy and living in caves. One cannot get from there to Higgs Boson in one generation.
I do not deny religion Zorro, because I think we do need to believe in something that operates outside of time and space, the physical Universe
we live in.
What has happened is science has progressed extremely quickly in the last 150 years, so a lot of explanations which were offered by religion
are now explained by science.
But I would not take away your religion Zorro.....and the human species are a long way from knowing everything.
I think all bets are still on.
you bet on god you win.
you bet on nothingness you lose, no option of winning.
pride stops you betting on God.
you bet on nothingness you lose, no option of winning.
pride stops you betting on God.
g'nite - i need to go watch amy schummer comedy central.
If i built a concrete rock so massive I could not lift it.
would I be all powerful.
I might go to the store and get a hammer and chip away at it
creating a wonderful sculpture of an atheist showing his arse
to me the creator? I could then stick a flower into the arse
and use it as a large garden feature.
would I be all powerful.
I might go to the store and get a hammer and chip away at it
creating a wonderful sculpture of an atheist showing his arse
to me the creator? I could then stick a flower into the arse
and use it as a large garden feature.
Hey Curly... it's me... Mo
What do yee want?
Is Larry with you?
What do yee want?
Is Larry with you?
The OP's post is a trick Zorro
Because he cleverly altered the word anything to everything
so there is no paradox...as anything does not mean the same as everything.
fooled me
I am off to bed..gnight Zorro
Because he cleverly altered the word anything to everything
so there is no paradox...as anything does not mean the same as everything.
fooled me
I am off to bed..gnight Zorro
zorrostrikes
zorrostrikes 04 Aug 16 02:13 Joined: 29 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 3,714 | Blogger: zorrostrikes's blog
If i built a concrete rock so massive I could not lift it.
would I be all powerful.
I might go to the store and get a hammer and chip away at it
creating a wonderful sculpture of an atheist showing his arse
to me the creator? I could then stick a flower into the arse
and use it as a large garden feature.
Here is the sculpture courtesy of Mr Atheist Zorro. All you need do now is add the flower
zorrostrikes 04 Aug 16 02:13 Joined: 29 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 3,714 | Blogger: zorrostrikes's blog
If i built a concrete rock so massive I could not lift it.
would I be all powerful.
I might go to the store and get a hammer and chip away at it
creating a wonderful sculpture of an atheist showing his arse
to me the creator? I could then stick a flower into the arse
and use it as a large garden feature.
Here is the sculpture courtesy of Mr Atheist Zorro. All you need do now is add the flower
of course there is a god,where do you think everyone and everything came from?.god made everything.
the next thing people will be saying is"there was a big bang and everything was made from nothing"
the next thing people will be saying is"there was a big bang and everything was made from nothing"
So you accept that everything has a cause then propose something without a cause as the solution to the conundrum?
Science tells us how the Universe functions, but it does not tell us why......
Religion attempts to answer this question.
This is not a trivial question because of the existence of pain. Evolution demands
pain because it is an aid to animal life.
But there is a moral question here is it right to have pain at all? That is a question people have often asked of God,
why do you allow pain? But it is also a question one can ask of evolution even though it is but a set of rules.
My answer would be there is no moral basis for life at all. Unless one accepts life as a lottery, winner take all.
I think it is about time I went to bed.
Religion attempts to answer this question.
This is not a trivial question because of the existence of pain. Evolution demands
pain because it is an aid to animal life.
But there is a moral question here is it right to have pain at all? That is a question people have often asked of God,
why do you allow pain? But it is also a question one can ask of evolution even though it is but a set of rules.
My answer would be there is no moral basis for life at all. Unless one accepts life as a lottery, winner take all.
I think it is about time I went to bed.
Nothing wrong with my question Zorro.
where do you think everyone and everything came from? presupposes a cause.
God made everything assumes God did not have a cause, hence my question.
where do you think everyone and everything came from? presupposes a cause.
God made everything assumes God did not have a cause, hence my question.
Sounds like a paradox to me, unless God made himself...from nothing.
God as Jesus says is SPIRIT. Physical stuff, what the universe is made from is different stuff.Maybe all physical stuff is transitory. But Spirit might be permanent.
Just spent a day and a half in hospital. Chest pains. Every thing they do to you in the hospital comes with pain. Every treatment? what's that about? It's like some sort of self punishment thing? Guy beside me had a heart attack the other man had cancer and chest pains.
I managed to escape the pain palace with a diagnosis of Gal stones? had a stint took out about six samples of blood. pumped in sodium chloride and potassium chloride for eight hours on an i.v. that potassium chloride was stinking like a bas tardo. the blood pressure collar was wrapped around a dozen times, arms sore from that. CT scan with dye that warms up your nads.
Can't they come up with nice treatments?
I managed to escape the pain palace with a diagnosis of Gal stones? had a stint took out about six samples of blood. pumped in sodium chloride and potassium chloride for eight hours on an i.v. that potassium chloride was stinking like a bas tardo. the blood pressure collar was wrapped around a dozen times, arms sore from that. CT scan with dye that warms up your nads.
Can't they come up with nice treatments?
Paradox - Hawkwind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz3vMVd-DpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz3vMVd-DpY
you should try doing some liver flushes Zorro that would help with your gallstones.
It sounds like you are going through the punishments of Job Zorro
I hope you feel better now Job...oops I mean Zorro
It is difficult arguing for Religion in todays Western societies....we tend to believe in Science
But I think Religion is still needed, it needs to find its place in our societies...
I am referring to Christianity of course...
Islam is a problem all its own.
I hope you feel better now Job...oops I mean Zorro
It is difficult arguing for Religion in todays Western societies....we tend to believe in Science
But I think Religion is still needed, it needs to find its place in our societies...
I am referring to Christianity of course...
Islam is a problem all its own.
You will have to look up in your Bible what all of Job's trials were Zorro.
I have forgotten them, but I hope God is easier on you.
I like you Zorro so please pull though
I have forgotten them, but I hope God is easier on you.
I like you Zorro so please pull though
Sorry to hear you were ill Zorro. Hadn't seen any posts since the 4th so was wondering what happened. I know it's painful as a friend of mine had her gall bladder removed. Hope you get better without needing further treatment. Good luck matey.
surgeon wanted it out? but I managed to delay him.
I'll try something i saw on youtube first.
seen the liver flush a fortnight ago on youtube but
looked sort of extreme. Took note of it in case? but
I think most of my problems are leaky gut related.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daaAGMlJmlQ)
surgeons seemed very eager, as if they were chasing
points.
I'll try something i saw on youtube first.
seen the liver flush a fortnight ago on youtube but
looked sort of extreme. Took note of it in case? but
I think most of my problems are leaky gut related.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daaAGMlJmlQ)
surgeons seemed very eager, as if they were chasing
points.
read JOB a couple of times.
Can't blame God for eating junk?
doctor last week said scans were clear
looking at gallbladder.
I'd cut out dairy thinking it was maybe the
gallbladder? have avoided calcium for a year.
but got a all clear so drunk 4 pints of milk over
a day, catching up on calcium. tried to fill up on milk?
avoid eating too much.
ate some baked beans. so stomach was pretty empty.
milk must have attacked the gall bladder. Woke up
with chest pains. Dr in hospital says IT IS the gallbladder?
says its thick? not moving much? the ultrasound guy said
no more ultrasounds? think he missed it? So got a CT instead.
I'm just bloody suspicious that there are stones now?
i'll try cider vinegar in water and chinese bitters.
eat fish and veg. See if it improves.
Can't blame God for eating junk?
doctor last week said scans were clear
looking at gallbladder.
I'd cut out dairy thinking it was maybe the
gallbladder? have avoided calcium for a year.
but got a all clear so drunk 4 pints of milk over
a day, catching up on calcium. tried to fill up on milk?
avoid eating too much.
ate some baked beans. so stomach was pretty empty.
milk must have attacked the gall bladder. Woke up
with chest pains. Dr in hospital says IT IS the gallbladder?
says its thick? not moving much? the ultrasound guy said
no more ultrasounds? think he missed it? So got a CT instead.
I'm just bloody suspicious that there are stones now?
i'll try cider vinegar in water and chinese bitters.
eat fish and veg. See if it improves.
Well I hope you made the right decision there Zorro?
Apologies if I made light of your problem, a have a woeful sense of humour at times
You should be feeling easier, I hope you are
If not go back
Apologies if I made light of your problem, a have a woeful sense of humour at times
You should be feeling easier, I hope you are
If not go back
Liver flushes may look extreme but they're really nothing to worry about, I've done 11 so far this year to try and clean the toxins out.
It's not for me to say but 'don't have your gall bladder removed' you need it as it does an important job for the digestive system .
If you get any more pains add 1 tablespoon of Pure Epsom salt to a glass of water, and drink it on an empty stomach. Epsom salt is bitter but powerful, it relaxes and dilates the bile ducts to enable larger stones to pass, but be prepared for possible diarrhea and cramping.
I recommend you read a book called 'The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush' by Andreas Moritz before you visit the surgeons.
It's not for me to say but 'don't have your gall bladder removed' you need it as it does an important job for the digestive system .
If you get any more pains add 1 tablespoon of Pure Epsom salt to a glass of water, and drink it on an empty stomach. Epsom salt is bitter but powerful, it relaxes and dilates the bile ducts to enable larger stones to pass, but be prepared for possible diarrhea and cramping.
I recommend you read a book called 'The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush' by Andreas Moritz before you visit the surgeons.
might try the epsom salts?
seen a packet the other day in the shops.
i personally do not want to lose my gall bladder?
it feels like a part of me?
changing the way i eat.
trying not to drink for half hour before i eat and half hour after.
heard it dilutes the stomach acid to eat and rink at the same time.
I don't drink alcohol or smoke so it's not any of the usual suspects.
trying veg and fish/chicken. no rubbish. drinking water and lemonjuice/cider vinegar. with a splash of bitters.
sounds great?
soon i'll be on a bowl of apple sauce.
seen a packet the other day in the shops.
i personally do not want to lose my gall bladder?
it feels like a part of me?
changing the way i eat.
trying not to drink for half hour before i eat and half hour after.
heard it dilutes the stomach acid to eat and rink at the same time.
I don't drink alcohol or smoke so it's not any of the usual suspects.
trying veg and fish/chicken. no rubbish. drinking water and lemonjuice/cider vinegar. with a splash of bitters.
sounds great?
soon i'll be on a bowl of apple sauce.
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