Stomach pain yesterday - sorted?

Have just harvested 100 heads of garlic from my allotment. Perhaps that's why I'm fighting fit
If you lived nearer I would give you some with pleasure.

Jul 30, 2016 -- 7:32PM, Foinavon wrote:

Have just harvested 100 heads of garlic from my allotment. Perhaps that's why I'm fighting fit If you lived nearer I would give you some with pleasure.

" lived nearer I would give you some with pleasure.Nearer to where????

Birmingham. I think Zorro lives in Scotland.

I live in Rugby. (Dunchurch)

Birmingham. I think Zorro lives in Scotland.

Nevertheless, he should still be able to smell your breath from there.

I suppose everyone knows that chewing a sprig of parsley takes the stench of garlic off your breath.

Keeps the flies away Dr C.

Have a friend who lives in Hillmorton Boxing although I rarely go there. We usually meet up halfway in Cov.

stuff makes you drowsy -
years ago when I ran to keep fit. I tried the garlic soup
and my laps were super quick. they should give it to
athletes in the olympics. Don't think it would count as
a drug. Ran like a banshee on it. Felt like superman.

Zorro I dont want to ring Alarm Bells ,have u had the pipe up or Down ?


proton pump inhibitors

Omeprezol LanzoprazoL tablets ? They are Excellent regarding Acid probs ...

I had an unknown extreme Allergy to rapeseed oil , Caused untold Problems as its it fckin in

nearly

everything people eat ....The Probs with my Stomach regarding that were fckin unreal

If you have lost Weight Zorro Insist on an investigation ,I had the Pipe down it was nothing.

The problem With stomach Cancer is that it is a Silent Killer most cases are found at stage 3 or

4 ,3 ur bang in trouble ,4 ur a Million

Hi - remember you said your father in law had stomach cancer.
Doctor sent me for endoscopy - That was brutal. Never getting
that done again. Shaking after it. Like swallowing a rubik cube.
Give you the option of doing it awake or asleep? FKin brainless
did it awake. Gagging all the way. like a snooker cue going down.
Went to Dr on Wednesday and results still not in? (waited a month,
why so long getting a result)said my stomach was inflamed and they
took a sample of my gut for biopsy?
The bandits keep giving me anti acids (proton pump inhibitors
Omeprezol LanzoprazoL tablets) the ones you mention. I don't have acid.
I have a digestion problem. my stomach stops for twelve hour spells.
it causes bloating and cramps. Pressure build up in abdomen.
I excluded sugar and carbs a year ago and I think I just need all the
stuff they put in cereals. B complex vitamins. niacin, rioboflavin etc.
You need all that stuff to coat nerves in your stomach.

And ginger

After mild stomach pains I had an endoscopy - had mine done under sedation - not that unpleasant, gagged once and they must have given me a bit more sedation...

After reading that much about digestive/stomach problems and the dozens of different conditions that exist, I can't see how the hell a gastro consultant can have a clue what anyone's problem is.

Combine this with the fact that everyone's diet is different, I am amazed they come up with any diagnoses at all.

I have come to the conclusion that if they can't find cancer, or can't see anything or don't have anything else flagged up they give you PPI.

My consultant told me that if I had any further pain to take paracetamol!

My problems aren't at all bad but I have sympathy for those whose are.

zorro , does this not sound like gallstones ? ive had gall bladder out and bloating is one of symptoms, along with excruiating pain .

Hi guys, I have been reticent about posting on this and the related thread because health wise I may look like a lost case, looking for attention/sympathy .

Anyway for what it's worth, here goes.....

I have had 'reflux since I was 15, after years of quack remedies, bicarb etc. it turned into 'Barrets oesophagus' which has the effect of increased risk of cancer of the oesophagus. I have had the' Rubiks' cube treatment year on year for the last 30. Put simply the oesophagus lining cannot cope with stomach acid because it was not designed to so do.

The good news is Daily Omaprazole has controlled it and allowed me to eat and drink what the fck I like when I like. The last time I had the 'billiard cue down my throat (3 years ago) Barrets was hardly discernible, yippee, .

The treatment has stopped because I'm an old cooont now and the money is used (quite rightly) on younger paitents.

Stomach problems are many and varied, for fck sake guys stay away from internet quack remedies because any short term relief ultimately ends badly. A great friend of mine ignored my advice to see his GP for a referral and left this world far to early at the age 49, and it was far from dignified, after cutting bits away and the indigence of colostomy bags etc he quickly succumbed.

The problem with oesophageal cancer is without an Endoscopy it is undiscernable until it's too late, by the time a sufferer has problems swallowing (the first sign) the cancer has already spread to all the vital organs and it goodnight Vienna!.

It truly is a silent killer , an insidious fcking illness, the late John Thaw suffered this fate. So Again!! stop listening to fckin idiots on the internet, telling you to eat this not that et fckin cetera, if you have any stomach problems see your GP.

As we get older acid reflux becomes more common. The sphincter (valve) at the bottom of the oesophagus is weak and for a variety of reasons can fail to seal properly.
This happened to me and I was constantly awakened during the night with heartburn. Went to the doc who prescribed the billiard cue and camera treatment. Just had the throat spray followed by a few minutes discomfort then it was all over. They check the stomach and duodenum at the same time and take samples for analysis. Was put on omeprazole and have had no problems since.

I know people react to endoscopy in different ways but it's worth 10 minutes discomfort to the potential horrors of not being properly diagnosed and I wholeheartedly support what Boxing said above.

could be worms ,do you have a cat ? 

anyone with a cat should be wormed and sheep dipped twice a year .

Absolutely Foinavon, my valve was fcked from the start. . I used to be put out for the endoscopy, but when they changed the rules about leaving the hospital unaccompanied, (and possibly driving under the influence) I decided to have the spray, after a few goes it really does get a lot easier if you learn to relax the throat,..... as the Bishop said to the actress.

Most of these problems are due to simple blood loss.
That's why eating garlic is such an effective cure.

Christ on a bike^^^^ thank you for verifying my don't listen to idiots on the internet  advice.

I've said my piece and have no wish to discuss it further with a quack, I think my 30 years of seeing specialists trumps your 'lets put ailments into the eating arena' cr@p advice every time.

I never suffered much from acid reflux or indigestion, just for a period I  had lower abdominal pains but the endoscopy showed mild Barrett's.  I don't think this was connected with the pains which would have been further down digestive system.  I would never have had the Barrett's diagnosis otherwise.

So Emaprozole for me too.

I see boxingthefox has never heard of vampires, and the effectiveness of garlic as a repellent to these creatures.

Is that your best 'Ali shuffle'

Dr C seems to have an aversion to garlic

No good getting him a mirror for Christmas then.

I had the Pipe down ,No sedation Not Nice ,But I had actually go to the Point That I wanted something Found ,Months of Misery ,All that was found was Inflamation That was last
Feb ,the Previous august my Mrs thought it a Healthy Idea to start Cooking with Rapeseed oil
it took a **** year to realise the Shxt was actually Poisoning me Anything cooked or roasted in it would bring on Severe reactions ,Prob was the days I didnt eat a Roast or Fry no probs ,even foods containing can cause a reation to me So just have to be careful whats in what Im eating

Hope your tests come back ok Zorro

Kinell casemoney, Just googled it Jamie Oliver recommending it.

casemoney how did you discover that rapeseed was the problem. Trial and error?

Hi Casemoney,
I didn't twig to your rapeseed oil aversion. In my head it sounded too exotic
for my diet. But I remember now that they rename the stuff vegetable oil. I seem
to get the attack on a Friday when I visit my parents. They cook with Vegetable
oil and Olive oil. Maybe you are on to something. I'll exclude it. The trouble
is I've excluded that much trying to find what triggers the Stomach spasms. I was
sure it was the soy/soya in bread. but can't make sense of it.
My mom cut out an article from her paper on coeliac? sounds like my symptoms .
The doctor has ruled out my gallbladder? the symptoms seem to line up for coeliac disease.
Got 90 percent of the symptoms.

coeliac disease.

    persistent or unexplained gastrointestinal symptoms, such as nausea and vomiting
    recurrent stomach pain, cramping or bloating
    any combination of iron, vitamin B12 or folic acid deficiency, anaemia.
    tiredness
    severe or occasional diarrhoea, excessive wind and/or constipation
    sudden or unexpected weight loss (but not in all cases)
    mouth ulcers
    depression
    liver abnormalities
    neurological (nerve) problems such as ataxia (loss of coordination, poor balance)
    and  peripheral neuropathy (numbness and tingling in the hands and feet)

Food sensitivities are notoriously difficult to pinpoint, especially since they usually come in multiples.

I know a chap who suffered for years with stomach problems that were diagnosed as IBS.

Last time I spoke to him he said he'd been cured.

He told me he'd changed his doctor and his IBS turned out to be gallstones.

ultra sound showed no gall stones?
i thought it was the gallbladder and was
taking cider vinegar to shift anything
that might be in there. Angostura bitters
was recommended too.
pretty sure its gluten. hard to dodge
the stuff its everywhere.
was a huge bread eater - watched a youtube
video and doctor says it's cumulative - you
get away with it for so long.

Believe it Or not we were in Tescos and I walked past the Rapeseed oil stopped Looked at it Said to the Mrs ,when did you start using that?  She said Last August, I said when did my Troubles start She said Last August Stopped using it and that was That ,Still occasionally get
Some IBS like symptons but then I as I said  its in so much food its hard to Avoid ,but as long
I avoid consuming the Raw product I am ok

doctor drew blood on Wednesday to test me for b12 deficiency.
pretty sure it'll show I'm lacking. Always tired.
the anemia symptom in coeliac definitely sounds spot on
with numbness and occasional dizziness.
hands always tingliing going numb, thought it was just the way
i'm always sitting.
i noticed after eating boiled eggs my stomach feeling better, put it down
to just being full. but rich in B12.

the oil, the bread all the foods seem geared to FK with you.

Just had a thought. Novak Djokovic has been on a gluten free diet
for years. Maybe he's not as good as we think he is? maybe everyone
else is just sluggish from eating bread and pasta.

Dr Crippen, I snapped at you earlier, sorry. I don't disagree with anyone who tries different eating and drinking habits, we are what we eat and all that. I just have a real thing about people saying, cider apple vinegar, bi-carb, garlic, etc, will cure this and that. If you have an illness none of the above will cure it, of course taken in moderation vinegar and garlic have nutritional benefits as do hundreds of foodstuffs.

As casemoney, has posted he had a reaction to rapeseed oil and it gave him problems, not just the seed but his wife suddenly changing his diet so dramatically with the stuff. Lots of people read tosh on the internet and go ga for the 'new wonder food, (Tumeric apparently cures everything from cancer to ingrowing toenails, FFS) piling it into a body that is not accustomed to it, so the, body reacts to the 'shock in many different ways.

before penicillin. People used Garlic and honey for wounds.
pasteur investigated garlic and noticed bacteria retreats from
chilli, ginger and garlic.
army field dressings use medicinal honey today.

Italians still use garlic as a poultice, vinegar has been used for loads of different home cures, doesn't mean you can stuff it into your body, Southern Italians use garlic in their cooking, Northern Italians don't.

'Chilli, ginger and garlic',... I have all 3 in some dishes, improves the taste and as said earlier has some nutritional value.

That's okay boxingthefox, it was just a bit of fun anyway.

I don't believe in miracle cures either.
Except for food exclusion, which in many cases the patients show spectacular improvement when an offending food is removed from their diets.

Another very useful thing to know is the benefit one can get from food combining. That's only eating foods in combinations that digest well together.
Another branch of medicine that's sadly neglected by GPs.

Cheers DrCrippen, message to self take a fcking breath before posting, Spot on above.

I feel a bito moment coming on.

Miracle cures - from MOLDS? fungus?

medicines for the most part are poisons.

any substance taken to excess is a poison.
drink too much water and you die.

An Arsenic compound used to be used to cure syphilis.
till penicillin took over.

every food you ingest must have a flip side to it.

The garlic I grow last us right through until April when it starts to sprout and go soft.
That's about two heads a week or around 24 cloves.

Do you give it away? thats a lot o garlick -

I feel lots better today - ate half a bulb with the soup.
mugged me - drowsy with it. Stings like crazy till the soup hits
your mouth. Can't believe people are saying it has no effect.
try eating raw garlic I dare youz. (chilli challenge)
I quit using it fifteen years ago after I stopped running.
Started having bad effects because I ate too much. too often.

I remember once I was in a post office queue and a Ned/Chav.
made a load comment about the stink of Garlic. Shrunk down to
the ground. It's really bad, but it works.

Zorro no one said it had no effect, "every food you ingest must have a flip side to it."...." Started having bad effects because I ate too much. too often."....You've answered your own question. As the Victorians liked to say, Everything in moderation.

I grow 100 in a 10 x 10 block (obsessive, moi?). A few are planted nearby to fill any gaps where they fail to germinate or are pinched by crows.
After harvest 10 of the best are reserved to provide cloves for planting in September and a few are given to a friend or two. We eat most of what's left.
I eat the scapes (flower buds) raw when any appear on the allotment. Quite sharp and very tasty.

zorrostrikes 31 Jul 16 21:30   

I remember once I was in a post office queue and a Ned/Chav.
made a load comment about the stink of Garlic. Shrunk down to
the ground. It's really bad, but it works.


You should have given him a kiss. Always do the unexpected.

A police officer in Berlin once threatened to arrest me. I went straight for the big, sloppy kiss. Tongue down the throat, the lot. The cop staggered off, gagging. That's the last time she'll try to arrest me.

stuff parasites do not like -

pineapple, garlic,pumkin seeds,cloves and lawyers.

just gets better and better.
B12 test ? Dr says my Iron level is high.
need to come in. (sounds like a car going to a garage).
Might have to be drained. Got a donor card so not a problem.
looked up excess iron and sounds great.
found this on - http://drlwilson.com/articles/IRON.htm

i used to eat a lot of bread, half a loaf a day? or a baguette, or two.

White Flour Products.  An important source of excess iron can be refined wheat flour products.  (The product is labeled as wheat flour, but it means refined white flour.  Only whole wheat flour really is the genuine article.)

In the 1920s, it was found that animals fed a diet of white flour developed serious neurological diseases and then died.  Instead of banning this product, the US Food and Drug Administration declared that most white flour products must be “enriched” with iron and a few vitamins to “correct” the problem.

The “enrichment” has created an even worse situation, in many cases, that contributes to diabetes, heart disease and cancer.  Her is why:

1. “Enrichment” enhances the iron content far more than was originally in the whole wheat flour.  This can increase iron in the diet too much.

2. The form of enrichment is either iron sulfate, iron fumarate, or NaFeEDTA.  These can easily change into a toxic form of iron such as an oxide.

3. The body requires minerals and will absorb whatever is available.  White flour is mainly stripped of its trace elements, creating a nutritionally deficient food.  The iron is plentiful.  Thus the body absorbs more of it than it would if there were a natural balance of minerals in the flour.  This also unbalances the body.

4. Iron is selectively absorbed by the body, to begin with.  This is a survival mechanism because of the great importance of iron for oxygen transport in the blood.

This combination can easily contribute to iron toxicity.

I hope this explains the serious problems with bleached, refined white flour, labeled as “wheat flour” or “enriched flour”.



Iron in water supplies.  In certain areas of America and around the world, the ground water is very high in iron.  This occurs because the water passes through rocks containing iron, or it could be due to industrial contamination, in a few cases.  Wells should always be tested for iron contamination.

Still do not know what my B12 level is?
Can i get a fkin printout?

If you've had a blood test. Ring Doctors and ask what the levels were.
If you want a hard copy, probably cost you £10.

Refined white flour, in bread,cakes and biscuits , is full of sugar.
Eating these products, especially white processed bread, an all wheat based breakfast cereals, is what causes massive weight gain.
All those fat bellies ? Down to eating refined wheat products.

read up on high iron levels in blood.
it's quite a common thing in western europe.
especially if you have irish lineage.
basically everyone over 40 should be tested
for iron levels. It's cumulative you gain 1gram
each year and it stays with you. each year the levels
rise and your oxygen is affected in red blood cells.
it attacks across the board. Doctor told me I had
a fatty liver, put it down to western living?
pains in spleen,pancreas and heart. All signs of high
iron levels. It attacks the pancreas giving you diabetes.
heart attacks. possible cancer later on.
But treatment is so simple - you donate blood. It takes out
a large portion straight away - an eighth? you keep doing this
over the year till your levels normalize. I'm a blood donor
but haven't given any in ten years - shows you that Karma gets
you. I should have kept giving. I actually stopped coz i was feeling
tired? thought I was draining all the good sauce away.

If everyone over 40 had this test done - it would maybe stop diabetes to
a great degree. plus blood donations would go up - it's a no brainer.
stop heart attacks too?

Middle aged Men get Diabetes more than Women ?

do women eat more chocolate?

men store up iron more easily...
women have periods and bleed out.

Could Iron Levels be a factor, I know I can
eat a lot of meat(no carry on jokes please).

i'm not Batman...

i'm Iron Man.