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A lorry has struck a crowd during Bastille Day celebrations in the southern French city of Nice, media reports and witnesses say.
Other reports spoke of shots being fired but these have not been confirmed. A firework display was being held at the time
Other reports spoke of shots being fired but these have not been confirmed. A firework display was being held at the time
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One of the earliest and deadliest suicide bombings in the Iraq conflict targeted UN diplomat Sergio De Mello.Again, Al Qaeda told up why they did it.They blamed De Mello for stopping the Indonesians carrying out the genocide of the East Timorese.They wanting Muslim Indonesia to cleanse Christian East Timor.
You have to be very careful not to upset these people.
You have to be very careful not to upset these people.
Nice idea digdeep.
When do we hear the stories that the Tunisian born terrorist was not a true muslim and his marriage had just recently broken down ?
When do we hear the stories that the Tunisian born terrorist was not a true muslim and his marriage had just recently broken down ?
Thanks for that Mr Digdeep. A great idea. I have just bought thousands of call options in Pork Scratchings Co
Jul 15, 2016 -- 4:38PM, ebulGery wrote:
You can complain about ISLAM all you want, but before the 1990's we had no problems with them.So what has changed, because it is certainly not ISLAM, the complaint is it never changes.They have called Jihad in defence of Islam, why have they done that?
Look up Sayyd Qutub the father of Radical Islamism.Executed by the Egyptians in 1966.
Mr Sonko- don't forget he was mentally ill, the poor darling!
Obviously ISIS inspired kind of attack. I don't get you all blaming 'muslims' though. They've been here and in France for decades without problems...a few nutjobs/loner types become radicalized and you get stuff like this.
This man didn't cross any boarders.
And those high school shooters in the states are mostly white, who you going to blame that on?
This man didn't cross any boarders.
And those high school shooters in the states are mostly white, who you going to blame that on?
One thing 99% of attacks have in common is that the shooter or bomber or nutjob lorry driver WANTS to die.
They have no plan for escape. They either kill themselves or fight to the death.
WHY? Look up martydom within Islam and especially what Mohammed says about it in the Hadith. It's the most fundamental aspect of Jihad. Go where you're likely to die and claim your reward in Heaven.
This was never about security/intelligence or monitoring rogu extremists. This an ideology that should be tackled everywhere. Start with leaders pointing the finger at Islam. Then go to schools, mosques, everywhere and tell them to get in line or f*** off.
They have no plan for escape. They either kill themselves or fight to the death.
WHY? Look up martydom within Islam and especially what Mohammed says about it in the Hadith. It's the most fundamental aspect of Jihad. Go where you're likely to die and claim your reward in Heaven.
This was never about security/intelligence or monitoring rogu extremists. This an ideology that should be tackled everywhere. Start with leaders pointing the finger at Islam. Then go to schools, mosques, everywhere and tell them to get in line or f*** off.
Get in line or fcuk off.Some chance,Here in Scotland we import them to fantastic places like Rothesay and convert the local church to a "pop up mosque".
Jul 15, 2016 -- 4:15PM, Just Checking wrote:
Galloway was on TV the other day speaking to Andrew Neil and came up with the old leftie canard (lie) that we are supplying these people the weapons. Andrew Neil pointed out they are using (apart from rare exceptions) Russian style weapons, AKs and the like. Galloway knew he was rumbled so quickly dropped that and changed the subject as he knew he was talking rubbish and didn't want to be made a fool of.Nice to see typical internet conspiracy nut satrus froot showing his ignorance and calling me a clown for calling him out. Go back to your grauniad and your foil hats.So the middle east problems and all the problems caused by a religion that's been around and killign people for 1400 years are due to nasty western capitalist arms manufacuters wanting to sell guns. And you call me a clown.
Firstly on Russia, well I never, Russia aren't corrupt, they're authority is as straight as it comes. Where's the rolls eyes emoticon when you need it? You try and pin the barbarism on Russia yet the irony is the far right in England want to emulate Russian policy here. Of course they've had a hand in it. Shock horror, they're human rights abusers too. You'll go a long way to find a country on this earth that is either not playing a part in pure corruption of war or poverty, or feeling the effects of it.
Galloway is a wailing banshee, as is Neil, I have no interest whatsoever in what either have to say. That doesn't detract from what America have done, there's evidence swarming all over the net to clearly prove that I.S have used US arms, from tanks to rifles. And you didn't just say there has been murder in the middle east for 1400 years did you? Yes, because the west and good old britain have been squeaky clean in that time. Apart from becoming the most dominant empire in human history that enslaved, hung and brutalised just about every race on the planet, we've been alright. But that was nothing to do with politics and everything to do with religion, rolls eyes again. And yet we still have human slavery in this very country today thanks to those beautiful private prisons popping up everywhere. Yep you guessed it, they're ran for profit too.
But anyway, there's been unjust massacres, slavery and the poorest fighting the most privileged for the history of human mankind all over the globe, it's not just a middle east thing. There were slaves back in the days of ancient egypt. Religion really is not the root cause. Not that it matters but in no way am I religious either.
Perhaps it's time to end the religious myth.
Jesus
Mohammed
God
Allah
................................................................................................................
Start afresh with the kids.
Let science lead the way.
Islam is in a similar place Christianity was 400 years ago.
Back then it was common to believe the religious fear mongering.
Muslims fear Judgement Day just as Christians did 400 years ago.
Time to spread the word that it's ALL bollux.
Yes, let's start with Christmas....tell the kids that Jesus didn't die for 3 days and rise again.
It was is astrological/literal hybrid......a story made up by astrological philosophers from the bronze age.
Let's stop teaching MYTHS.
Jesus
Mohammed
God
Allah
................................................................................................................
Start afresh with the kids.
Let science lead the way.
Islam is in a similar place Christianity was 400 years ago.
Back then it was common to believe the religious fear mongering.
Muslims fear Judgement Day just as Christians did 400 years ago.
Time to spread the word that it's ALL bollux.
Yes, let's start with Christmas....tell the kids that Jesus didn't die for 3 days and rise again.
It was is astrological/literal hybrid......a story made up by astrological philosophers from the bronze age.
Let's stop teaching MYTHS.
I knew he wouldn't be a real muslim his cousin has just said so
Police need traquiliser Bullets ,Hung Drawn and Quatered when wake up ,Body fed to pigs
Just watched the ITN version of the news. They've outdone even the BBC this time.
Interview with a British couple (who probably weren't anywhere near the promenade when the truck appeared) but describe last nights events and more importantly talk about how its important not to tie this with Islam "this had nothing to do with religion" says the carefully chosen interviewee.
Talk about some of the victims including some children but the biggest mention goes to, you guessed it, a muslim woman - "she was the first to be killed", "and she was a muslim"
"but she did not follow the kind of islam allowed by terrorists" blah blah
Later on another interview with some young British lawyer on holiday in Nice - he talks briefly about the horror, before launching into a long PC deluded rant about how this will inspire people to vote for the right wing, blah, blah
Interview with a British couple (who probably weren't anywhere near the promenade when the truck appeared) but describe last nights events and more importantly talk about how its important not to tie this with Islam "this had nothing to do with religion" says the carefully chosen interviewee.
Talk about some of the victims including some children but the biggest mention goes to, you guessed it, a muslim woman - "she was the first to be killed", "and she was a muslim"
"but she did not follow the kind of islam allowed by terrorists" blah blah
Later on another interview with some young British lawyer on holiday in Nice - he talks briefly about the horror, before launching into a long PC deluded rant about how this will inspire people to vote for the right wing, blah, blah
The BBC made sure they got that same (I'd guess) couple on the 6pm news early on in the coverage.
Sitting in front of a cafe?
Snow on C4 news falling over himself to get a french woman to say this was all just due to the perps rough upbringing.
Sitting in front of a cafe?
Snow on C4 news falling over himself to get a french woman to say this was all just due to the perps rough upbringing.
portmanpark
15 Jul 16 11:24
we are lucky we have water between us and europe
Yes, to an extent, but we have already been infiltrated as all European countries have. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslims already here. What if only a small percentage of those are becoming radicalised enough to plan something? Yes the intelligence services can hopefully stop the bigger co-ordinated attacks, but someone acting on their own doing ISIS's will? How can you stop it?
Does anyone seriously think we have not got one of these horrific incidents coming our way? It is surely only a matter of time before a British Mohamed does something similar to what this French Mohamed did.
15 Jul 16 11:24
we are lucky we have water between us and europe
Yes, to an extent, but we have already been infiltrated as all European countries have. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslims already here. What if only a small percentage of those are becoming radicalised enough to plan something? Yes the intelligence services can hopefully stop the bigger co-ordinated attacks, but someone acting on their own doing ISIS's will? How can you stop it?
Does anyone seriously think we have not got one of these horrific incidents coming our way? It is surely only a matter of time before a British Mohamed does something similar to what this French Mohamed did.
It is worrying Roger and I dont want to tempt fate, but the facts are....1 person dead due to islamist terrorism in this country in 11 years- Lee Rigby. Either the threat is over played or our intelligence is very very good.
Davy • July 15, 2016 4:44 PM BST
Jul 15, 2016 -- 4:38PM, ebulGery wrote:
You can complain about ISLAM all you want, but before the 1990's we had no problems with them.So what has changed, because it is certainly not ISLAM, the complaint is it never changes.They have called Jihad in defence of Islam, why have they done that?
Look up Sayyd Qutub the father of Radical Islamism.Executed by the Egyptians in 1966.
Most of his work was theoretical. He was executed for plotting against Nasser.
He was not a terrorist. There were NO Islamic terrorist attacks in Europe then.
Neither did we invade Middle Eastern countries then.
Jul 15, 2016 -- 4:38PM, ebulGery wrote:
You can complain about ISLAM all you want, but before the 1990's we had no problems with them.So what has changed, because it is certainly not ISLAM, the complaint is it never changes.They have called Jihad in defence of Islam, why have they done that?
Look up Sayyd Qutub the father of Radical Islamism.Executed by the Egyptians in 1966.
Most of his work was theoretical. He was executed for plotting against Nasser.
He was not a terrorist. There were NO Islamic terrorist attacks in Europe then.
Neither did we invade Middle Eastern countries then.
There were the Arab Israeli wars of course. This did affect Europe.
Hi Rob,
This is true and our intelligence does seem to be good. My worry is that these do not now appear to be trackable attacks planned by a group which can be traced - these are now random acts committed by martyrs.
Should someone sat festering and fuming in a London bedsit decide that tomorrow they are going to go out and drive a lorry into a crowd, shoot/knife/bomb anyone they can reach at a shopping centre, etc - I don't know how intelligence can be sure of stopping that.
The threat isn't overplayed as it is happening so close to us I can't believe we will escape this barrage untouched. I hope you are right.
This is true and our intelligence does seem to be good. My worry is that these do not now appear to be trackable attacks planned by a group which can be traced - these are now random acts committed by martyrs.
Should someone sat festering and fuming in a London bedsit decide that tomorrow they are going to go out and drive a lorry into a crowd, shoot/knife/bomb anyone they can reach at a shopping centre, etc - I don't know how intelligence can be sure of stopping that.
The threat isn't overplayed as it is happening so close to us I can't believe we will escape this barrage untouched. I hope you are right.
I understand your point amd do not want to tempt fate by speculating further.
BBC Sept 2015:
The number of people arrested for terrorism-related offences has reached record levels, new figures reveal.
In the year to March, 299 terror suspects were detained - an increase of 31% on the previous year - of which 100 were charged with a terror-related offence, Home Office figures show.
It is the highest number since officials began collecting data in September 2001.
BBC March 2016:
The number of people arrested in Britain on suspicion of terrorism fell slightly in the year to December 2015, Home Office figures have shown.
The 280 arrests - down from 289 in the 12 months before - reflect a drop from 28 to 15 in cases focused in Britain.
International-related arrests, including those linked to Syria, rose by seven to 265 in the same period.
Sixteen people under 18 were arrested - a rise from 10 in the previous 12 months.
The figures show the number of children arrested was the highest in a calendar year since the data collection began.
The number of people arrested for terrorism-related offences has reached record levels, new figures reveal.
In the year to March, 299 terror suspects were detained - an increase of 31% on the previous year - of which 100 were charged with a terror-related offence, Home Office figures show.
It is the highest number since officials began collecting data in September 2001.
BBC March 2016:
The number of people arrested in Britain on suspicion of terrorism fell slightly in the year to December 2015, Home Office figures have shown.
The 280 arrests - down from 289 in the 12 months before - reflect a drop from 28 to 15 in cases focused in Britain.
International-related arrests, including those linked to Syria, rose by seven to 265 in the same period.
Sixteen people under 18 were arrested - a rise from 10 in the previous 12 months.
The figures show the number of children arrested was the highest in a calendar year since the data collection began.
Cameron stated that UK security had foiled 11 attempts last year.
I can remember some cases in court but all were given minimum publicity.
I think Roger is right unfortunately. Hard to see us not being targeted.
I can remember some cases in court but all were given minimum publicity.
I think Roger is right unfortunately. Hard to see us not being targeted.
A big worry I'm afraid is copy-cats now it's been shown to work.
What a world, so depressing :(
I'm turning my back on humanity, getting an island somewhere and livng out my days with Kenny Manns cat (that'll I win the affection of and steal away with me)
What a world, so depressing :(
I'm turning my back on humanity, getting an island somewhere and livng out my days with Kenny Manns cat (that'll I win the affection of and steal away with me)
Has Tony Blair commented on this tragedy
not a day goes past when this mans actions from the past cause damage yet he sits
on a fortune...how on earth does he sleep at night
not a day goes past when this mans actions from the past cause damage yet he sits
on a fortune...how on earth does he sleep at night
I want this cat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5aRlPa5WJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5aRlPa5WJw
Neither do I Ron?
The point I try to make is that the extreme, well insane version of Islam we have now.
Only exists because the West removed Saddam Hussein, Gadhafi and attempted unsuccessfully to remove Assad.
These men were/are brutal dictators no doubt, but at least they kept their lunatics locked up, who now appear to be running the show.
ISIS being quite the most appalling group I have ever seen.
Lovely cat picture
The point I try to make is that the extreme, well insane version of Islam we have now.
Only exists because the West removed Saddam Hussein, Gadhafi and attempted unsuccessfully to remove Assad.
These men were/are brutal dictators no doubt, but at least they kept their lunatics locked up, who now appear to be running the show.
ISIS being quite the most appalling group I have ever seen.
Lovely cat picture
if anjem choudry was living somewhere like argentina and considered any threat his disappearance would be a formality, in fact in most countries that viewed him a a threat he'd be lifted and dealt with.im astounded when i hear people are against picking known threats p and touring them for information.of course its damn near impossible to stop random attacks but having isis sympathisers walking freely in our country is just not acceptable.only terrorsts would give a fck if tomorrow he "mysteriously" disappeared from our streets.
We cannot do that layinwinners. We could pass a law and lock him up, all we can do. Yes he is one of the lunatics now out of the asylum
But anyway, there's been unjust massacres, slavery and the poorest fighting the most privileged for the history of human mankind all over the globe, it's not just a middle east thing. There were slaves back in the days of ancient egypt. Religion really is not the root cause. Not that it matters but in no way am I religious either.
Satrus
So the simple fact that these terrorists are acting in accordance with specific religious doctrine relating to Jihad and a sincere belief in the metaphysics of Martyrdom has absolutely nothing to do with religion?
Satrus
So the simple fact that these terrorists are acting in accordance with specific religious doctrine relating to Jihad and a sincere belief in the metaphysics of Martyrdom has absolutely nothing to do with religion?
PM me if ye think yer hard enuff u pencil necked etc etc etc etc 
ebulgery , i think desperate situations demand desperate actions, why can we not deport all known terrorist sympathisers, ?lets change our law to allow ourselves to deal with this animals properly.most muslims detest the kind of violence that fanatics love so who would we upset?
nigeria, algeria, sudan, pakisatn, afghan, turkey, tunisia, libya, iraq, iran, egypt, and loads more countries in the islamic world suffer these attacks every week, and we hardly hear of it. islamo-loonies routinely murder all who do not follow the faith with sufficient demonic rigour. it is not an accident, it is not a tiny minority; it is all to do with this faith. it will brook no opposition, and will finish us all off unless someone has the cobblers to stand up to it. dishonest fools like ebul gery look to blame the west. this happens in all these countries. western involvement is not necessary for mass-murder. it is commonplace wherever islam exists. and we have a fifth column in europe that will do us all in while apologists and truth-deniers deny the fact that the religion of pieces is fundamentally inhuman.
there is not a single islamic country where even basic human rights exist. the stinking intellectual hypocrisy of our politicos is mind-boggling, and some pay the ultimate price for it. why are the islamic spokesmen(always men) who rage against islamophobia in the media absent from our screens when these attacks occur, but are on the streets protesting whenever a tiny slight against their vile creed is voiced?
there is not a single islamic country where even basic human rights exist. the stinking intellectual hypocrisy of our politicos is mind-boggling, and some pay the ultimate price for it. why are the islamic spokesmen(always men) who rage against islamophobia in the media absent from our screens when these attacks occur, but are on the streets protesting whenever a tiny slight against their vile creed is voiced?
i must say if todays events in france had happened the week before the referendum there would have been no need for one .!unless we choose to be tough on known sympathisers is certainly that we will suffer attacks similar to the french again soon and possible often.
I agree lainwinners, now we out of the EU we can do it
grappler, I am not dishonest, maybe a fool yes?
But we cannot remove all of Islam can we, unless we are proposing genocide, which I would object to.
Perhaps it is unfair to blame this all on the West, but I can only say what I see. I am very concerned the West's motives
from the first Gulf War on, and why did the USA have in it's foreign policy bring down Iraq?
Whether we like or not, we have to come to some sort of accord with Islam.
I am not saying surrender, oh no, but we have to negotiate in some way.
Otherwise what we see now will continue.
grappler, I am not dishonest, maybe a fool yes?
But we cannot remove all of Islam can we, unless we are proposing genocide, which I would object to.
Perhaps it is unfair to blame this all on the West, but I can only say what I see. I am very concerned the West's motives
from the first Gulf War on, and why did the USA have in it's foreign policy bring down Iraq?
Whether we like or not, we have to come to some sort of accord with Islam.
I am not saying surrender, oh no, but we have to negotiate in some way.
Otherwise what we see now will continue.
Islam doesn't accept an accord. Islam or, rather, the book, cannot be challenged. To do so makes you a traitor to the cause.
Islam means submission
It's their way or no way simple
It's their way or no way simple
no need for the ? gery. you are a fool. and you should feck off to specsavers if thats all you can see. we cannot remove islam you say. is that desirable? if so you accept it is horrible, and incompatible with our way of life?
islam is non-negotiable. thats why all islamic nations are phecking horrible, and every one of their people will escape to the decadent west if they can; millions of migrants bolting through the balkans now. why do they want to go to christian europe? there are 50 islamic countries to leg it to, but they want to go to germany, uk, sweden. why?
you and the other deluded kn0bheads on this sh1tehole forum are useful idiots(for islam), do not get it, because you are a shower of tcnus.
islam is non-negotiable. thats why all islamic nations are phecking horrible, and every one of their people will escape to the decadent west if they can; millions of migrants bolting through the balkans now. why do they want to go to christian europe? there are 50 islamic countries to leg it to, but they want to go to germany, uk, sweden. why?
you and the other deluded kn0bheads on this sh1tehole forum are useful idiots(for islam), do not get it, because you are a shower of tcnus.
Good God if Grippergate has come on before Midnight its a serious matter
and that is something else they will be stopping - forget you pint and forget your pub
They know the people controlling us are weak mobo.
we're like goats to the halal slaughter as they know no one will stand
up to them.
Trump our only hope i think.
we're like goats to the halal slaughter as they know no one will stand
up to them.
Trump our only hope i think.
Want to know what's wrong with us : Watch the last leg on C4.
ain't it finished JC?
I watched the first bit where they touched on the subject
I watched the first bit where they touched on the subject
neither. have plenty of sherbet. no poker, but got the raving ump with some twerps on this forum that trot out the same old bollox every time these evil canutes do their thing. and these islamo-lonnies will not stop. it aint our fault.
mind you, trump aint the answer to anything. but interestingly, much as i deride trump and his absurd bluster, compared to the islamo-loons he is a beacon of hope. not something you will read in the grauniad tomorrow, anxious. it will be too busy trying to find reasons for rage against racism and islamophobia produced by the rise of the front nationale, as it always does. for a liberal paper, it is a disgrace, fighting shy of confronting murderous religious fanaticism(it has been brutally critical of the catholic church, rightly, but will not have a go at a faith that will send one of its messengers to blow them up). no cartoons in the grauniad. self-censorship is a dangerous road that the grauniad has chosen to trod.
mind you, trump aint the answer to anything. but interestingly, much as i deride trump and his absurd bluster, compared to the islamo-loons he is a beacon of hope. not something you will read in the grauniad tomorrow, anxious. it will be too busy trying to find reasons for rage against racism and islamophobia produced by the rise of the front nationale, as it always does. for a liberal paper, it is a disgrace, fighting shy of confronting murderous religious fanaticism(it has been brutally critical of the catholic church, rightly, but will not have a go at a faith that will send one of its messengers to blow them up). no cartoons in the grauniad. self-censorship is a dangerous road that the grauniad has chosen to trod.
that's obviously my thinking grappler.
we're doomed the left wing pc path we're being led down! i just can't
see how anyone will change the way things are heading.
Trump = a bit of light at the end of the tunnel
we're doomed the left wing pc path we're being led down! i just can't
see how anyone will change the way things are heading.
Trump = a bit of light at the end of the tunnel
.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/530436/machete-knife-attack-nice-cathedral-vigil-terrorist-attacks
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/530436/machete-knife-attack-nice-cathedral-vigil-terrorist-attacks
Anyway they now say the maniac with lorry was not taking his medication, and if he missed it he used to smash things up
My mind went back to Diana and her driver they said he was on anti- depressants and like a jar or two and I thought are the French all manic -depressive alcoholic psychotic sociopaths
you and the other deluded kn0bheads on this sh1tehole forum are useful idiots(for islam), do not get it, because you are a shower of tcnus.
I will return that to you grappler
Things are rarely as simple as you make out, that is why we have problems.
I express my views on this forum, you express yours
I will return that to you grappler
Things are rarely as simple as you make out, that is why we have problems.
I express my views on this forum, you express yours
'they' will be delighted if they can shift the blame from islamo-loony to mental patient. but as soon as it happened it was 1.01 france-domiciled north african. why did we know that? because thats what these people do. no doubt there will be earnest debates about the lack of opportunity of muslim yoofs in france. they all want to be in the folies bergere, dont they? but those rotten frogs wont let them join.
nobody will mention the greatest opportunity they will ever have, namely escaping from the khazi of north africa into europe, thanks to the mistakes of previous french govts. that granted independence, but then allowed them to scarper to france also. big mistke. but the politicians dont pay the price. citizens do. there will now be severe warnings, and concerted scare stories about far-right(sic) parties in europe that are so dangerous they must be stopped by the e.u. sounds fanciful, but it is already happening. the president of magyarland has been warned about his lack of inclusion. he has 200,000 moslems fleeing other moslems on his doorstep. hungary is a small country now, and not rich, so they are understandably uncomfortable. but be careful, the e.u. is on guard. dont do anything 'right-wing' and we will feed you zillions. veer from the path of righteousness, and you will be ostracised, as the austrians were when theyhad the temerity to elect jorg haider.
nobody will mention the greatest opportunity they will ever have, namely escaping from the khazi of north africa into europe, thanks to the mistakes of previous french govts. that granted independence, but then allowed them to scarper to france also. big mistke. but the politicians dont pay the price. citizens do. there will now be severe warnings, and concerted scare stories about far-right(sic) parties in europe that are so dangerous they must be stopped by the e.u. sounds fanciful, but it is already happening. the president of magyarland has been warned about his lack of inclusion. he has 200,000 moslems fleeing other moslems on his doorstep. hungary is a small country now, and not rich, so they are understandably uncomfortable. but be careful, the e.u. is on guard. dont do anything 'right-wing' and we will feed you zillions. veer from the path of righteousness, and you will be ostracised, as the austrians were when theyhad the temerity to elect jorg haider.
BBC : Picture Emerging of a quite loner , someone who has nicked a 50 ton truck and Loaded it with
guns and Hand Grenades dangerous types these quite loners IMO
guns and Hand Grenades dangerous types these quite loners IMO
Well the end is surely near for Hollande so the Front national with Marie Le Pen might well be in power next year
Yes it's loners isn't it. It's "loner state" raping and massacring their way across the middle east and throwing g'ys off tall buildings...
The BBC are trying to blame it on the maker of the lorry! 
..nothing to do with the driver....that Charlie Stayt makes me wanna smash the
tv in every morning i come down & see his blatantly obvious left wing view
..nothing to do with the driver....that Charlie Stayt makes me wanna smash the
tv in every morning i come down & see his blatantly obvious left wing view
a devastating critique from gerald. what a 'return'. 'things are rarely as simple as you make out, thats why we have problems'. no; we have problems(big ones) because well-meaning befuddled fools like you are constantly trying to see the viewpoint of fanatics that want you to die, and are utterly immoveable. wanchors like you (but a lot smarter than you obv.) populate the foreign office. surely these people cant be so beastly, lets have a chat? they will say, terry waite-style. sadly for us all, they really are. and terry spent x years chained to a radiator because of it.
you express your views, i express mine, you say; correct. you are an idiot who knows nothing, and understands less.
you express your views, i express mine, you say; correct. you are an idiot who knows nothing, and understands less.
wanchor yourself grappler
This has never been as one sided as you claim grappler. But to see it you need to THINK...
I understand peoples emotions and anger over this it is human.
Not everyone in this World has the same values as the West, and nor should they.
I wonder how ISIS get their weapons and support to keep fighting?
I wonder why there is no serious effort to end the civil war in Syria?
There are two sides here, not just one.
This has never been as one sided as you claim grappler. But to see it you need to THINK...
I understand peoples emotions and anger over this it is human.
Not everyone in this World has the same values as the West, and nor should they.
I wonder how ISIS get their weapons and support to keep fighting?
I wonder why there is no serious effort to end the civil war in Syria?
There are two sides here, not just one.
rob - a couple of links for you re terrorism arrests in the uk.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35830979
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34206326
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35830979
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34206326
The BBC are trying to blame it on the maker of the lorry!
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Guns don't kill people, Lorries do
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Guns don't kill people, Lorries do
Looks like the hitman was paid a large sum of money,over £80k
As compensation
And they say this man is a loner
B O L L O C K S
As compensation
And they say this man is a loner
B O L L O C K S
notice more and more people are quoting the BBC ,hardly any decent alternatives for information ,its a grim situation
remember when quoting the BBC was a hanging offence
remember when quoting the BBC was a hanging offence
5 Arrested and Isis Claim he was their Man ,BBC have announced
Ironically these liberal types that like to reflect on were we went wrong, also want to 'speak to our enemies'
after all, we all 'have something in common'
So they want to speak to the Jihad gang and perhaps share a moment to understand his/her pain.
They hate Marine Le Pen and Nigel Farage though with a rabid passion.
After all their is nothing worse than a man in Union Jack shoes, is there? the devil in disguise, he must be.
No time for Farage, he stands in front of fecking posters!!! argh!!.....but let's understand Islamic butchers, for they can be reached, you know.
after all, we all 'have something in common'
So they want to speak to the Jihad gang and perhaps share a moment to understand his/her pain.
They hate Marine Le Pen and Nigel Farage though with a rabid passion.
After all their is nothing worse than a man in Union Jack shoes, is there? the devil in disguise, he must be.
No time for Farage, he stands in front of fecking posters!!! argh!!.....but let's understand Islamic butchers, for they can be reached, you know.
BBC doing there best to let the Nice terror attack fall off their news page, only one story on their now.
Are the British luvvie media still pretending this was a Lone Wolf Event?
Alas alun, they're still treating the public as if they are mushroom, keeping them in the dark and feeding them ****.
Apparently the right wing redneck bar room bores on here often accuse the bbc of being a subversive left wing organization
AAhhhh anx is here, there is nothing like the voice of reason..............and he is nothing like the voice of reason. commie tw@t
There is no defence for evil. When will those thick lefty idiots who live in cloud cuckoo land come to their senses. You can't discuss things rationally with maniacs, you can't rehabilitate maniacs, you need to put a stop to maniacs.
anxious, what do you think about islam and its legion of murderous soldiers? you only post asinine schoolboy comments about 'murdoch filth' or 'tory scum'; go on, put up an opinion, or idea, or maybe a potential solution. it is easy to sneer and carp from the sideline. i put up my opinion quite forcefully. why dont you have a go? maybe you cant? too unsure of yourself maybe? try it anyway; it could be therapeutic.
Grippergate regarding the islamic state mob i think they should be shot and done away with the only problem is something would probably take their place, you can thousands but unfortunately you cannot kill an idea.
Sounds like English, but I don't understand it!, do you mean you can't kill an ideology???, MMMMMMmm, history disagrees. In human evolutionary terms,how long do you think Islam/Moh etc, have been around??? forever?.
GN and GL guys I'm offski.
GN and GL guys I'm offski.
yes, but what can we do about them? several thousand of them who were born and raised in secular europe have decided that beheading non-believers and selling children into sexual slavery is so groovy that they decide to charge off to get stuck-in, the same way that you or i did when we heard of 18-30 holidays. and that aint all of them. plenty more left here, never mind the ones that will return. can we shoot them all?
Yes but that is the problem surely in France they have 5 million muslims , after the Nice attacks it was reported that parts of Marselile were no go areas that the police had not been in for over 12 months
why dont the uk media ever ask questions about the nature of islam, and its fanatical devotees that kill so many? ive read so much about the abusive cathoilc church in the grauniad, and ridicule about evangelical american churches awash with cash and promising miracles. hilarious, and easy to laugh at. but i have yet to see similar criticism about islam in the same paper. why?
looks like its just me and me pipe. just opened another bottle too. vega sicilia. lovely.
Amazing how this story has fallen off the radar.
The bbc coverage of this has fallen off their newspages faster than bbc peado.
It turns out he was not a loner but a very well connected terrorist.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/22/five-charged-france-truck-attack/
The bbc coverage of this has fallen off their newspages faster than bbc peado.
It turns out he was not a loner but a very well connected terrorist.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/22/five-charged-france-truck-attack/
anyone going to the World Youth Football Cup in Sweden? well don't take your daughters
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/22/foreign-sex-attack-gothia-cup/
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/22/foreign-sex-attack-gothia-cup/
How many arrests are we up to now in this. "He was Mentally Ill, Not a 'Proper' Muslim, Not an ISIS representative, Just a Lone Wolf" mass murder?
Good article.
By Emma-Kate Symons | 12:44 pm, July 22, 2016
Can we stop already with the head-in-the sand “lone wolf terrorist” bunkum being peddled by a cabal of running-scared governments, complicit media, and misguided academics? The catch-all explanation is dishonest and dangerous. It allows politicians and law enforcement to shrug their shoulders over another so-called “random nutter,” as they cover up their intelligence failings. Worst of all it prevents us from tackling the terrorist menace head-on.
Take the revelation the Bastille Day Nice attack was a pre-meditated mass killing. The magnificently unflinching and transparent (hello FBI!) French prosecutor Francois Molins has confirmed Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel planned his act of deadly terrorism for many months and possibly more than a year, with the aid of multiple accomplices. He watched beheading videos, did online searches on terror attacks, seemingly scoped out the beachside Promenade des Anglais last summer and was in constant contact with a radical who said after Charlie Hebdo: “I am not Charlie… I’m happy they sent the soldiers of Allah to finish the work.”
That’s as far as one can get from being a lone-wolf, mentally disturbed individual, self-radicalized at the last minute on the jihadi express (as the worn-out script goes).
Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve tried to sell this dubious explanation in the days after the July 14 atrocity that left 84 dead and dozens wounded. Meanwhile the crazed loner theory has been bandied about in US media and academia over the past week, in a redux of Orlando and San Bernardino.
But the facts tell another story. Five of Bouhlel’s accomplices are in custody and have been charged with terrorism offenses, including supplying weapons. One accomplice — who gloried in the Charlie Hebdo attack — went back to film “the scene of the crime” after the attacks, said Molins. Bouhlel sent SMS messages referring to another attack planned in a month. Analysts suggest the terrorist may have been deliberately hiding his religious jihadist-terrorist tendencies and plans for a long time.
The parallels with the playbook after June’s Orlando attack are eerie. The FBI’s investigations showed Omar Mateen had known terror links via a radical mosque. His father was a pro-Taliban Afghan extremist, and his wife was there when he bought arms and drove him to the Pulse nightclub. Like Bouhlel, Mateen showed strong signs of being keyed into the virtual ISIS “sympathizers and fanboys” network and posted on Facebook during his massacre. Yet the identical “lone disturbed actor” narrative was flogged by President Obama and the FBI, as well as US researchers like Brookings Institution’s Will McCants and his peers at Georgetown University and beyond.
These same “experts” have resurfaced with their discredited “French connection” theories post-Nice to wave away the bloodbath on the Riviera as merely “ISIS-ish” because it was perpetrated by a “troubled youth with a criminal past” who was goaded into to it because of France’s “veil bans.”
The moral equivalence crowd blame “French political culture” with its so-called “aggressive secularism” — everything but the violent imported Salafist jihadist ideology, and its ISIS variant that Bouhlel embraced. Perniciously, they “forget” Bouhlel was not “made in France”: he was born and raised in Tunisia, by far the world’s largest exporter of ISIS foreign fighters to Syria and Iraq. He had a French resident’s card (thanks to his Franco-Tunisian wife he married in Tunisia) after arriving aged 21 and didn’t go through the radicalization crucible of French prison. They wilfuly ignore the influence his Tunisian upbringing could have had on what Islam specialists like Gilles Kepel show is a long Salafist-driven process toward a violent “rupture” with society. “Bouhlel is from an Islamist milieu, which is particularly pronounced in his Tunisian town of M’saken,” says Patrick Amoyel, a Nice psychologist who has worked on deradicalization. “He was in a sense raised on the Islamist feeding bottle. His father was an eminent local member of the Islamist party Ennahda. According to some sources he was a member of radical separatist networks…on Facebook.”
David Thomson, the French journalist and author of Les Francais jihadistes, pinpoints widespread “denial” post-Nice, even after Islamic State claimed responsibility. “Being mentally unbalanced has never stopped someone from becoming a jihadist,” he says.
The tired lone-wolf formula is being invoked in Germany after the train axe attack by a refugee who made a pre-horror-spree gore video, cheered on by ISIS. Still, he is said to have “no connection” with the group — and was possibly just depressed because his friend died!
The peddlers of what the French call the loup solitaire theory, afraid of being called Islamophobic, know the public is more at ease with a bonkers solitary character than a determined, religiously-inspired, politically-driven, networked terrorist, bathed in a climate of hatred of the West, Muslim “apostates,” and “infidels” common in Sunni Salafist communities as well as in the radical cyber “jihadisphere”.
Our leaders don’t want to admit they’ve missed a key element: ISIS is giving formal training to its recruits, even if the training is remote. Just because these attackers have no direct links with the hierarchy in Syria and are not getting orders does not take away from their affiliation, connections, and caliphate-soldier bona fides.
For French criminologist Alain Bauer, the lone wolf is “extremely rare” and the only recent examples are outside the Islamist terror model: Norway’s far right killer Anders Breivik and America’s anarchist Unabomber.
As Regis Le Sommier the author of a book on ISIS called Daech, L’Histoire explains, after San Bernardino, Orlando, and Nice: “the lone wolf doesn’t exist. We always find a connection and see there is a network.”
Emma-Kate Symons is a Washington, DC-based journalist and former Paris correspondent, published in The Wall Street Journal, Quartz, The Atlantic, The Australian, The Financial Review and Women in the World.
By Emma-Kate Symons | 12:44 pm, July 22, 2016
Can we stop already with the head-in-the sand “lone wolf terrorist” bunkum being peddled by a cabal of running-scared governments, complicit media, and misguided academics? The catch-all explanation is dishonest and dangerous. It allows politicians and law enforcement to shrug their shoulders over another so-called “random nutter,” as they cover up their intelligence failings. Worst of all it prevents us from tackling the terrorist menace head-on.
Take the revelation the Bastille Day Nice attack was a pre-meditated mass killing. The magnificently unflinching and transparent (hello FBI!) French prosecutor Francois Molins has confirmed Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel planned his act of deadly terrorism for many months and possibly more than a year, with the aid of multiple accomplices. He watched beheading videos, did online searches on terror attacks, seemingly scoped out the beachside Promenade des Anglais last summer and was in constant contact with a radical who said after Charlie Hebdo: “I am not Charlie… I’m happy they sent the soldiers of Allah to finish the work.”
That’s as far as one can get from being a lone-wolf, mentally disturbed individual, self-radicalized at the last minute on the jihadi express (as the worn-out script goes).
Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve tried to sell this dubious explanation in the days after the July 14 atrocity that left 84 dead and dozens wounded. Meanwhile the crazed loner theory has been bandied about in US media and academia over the past week, in a redux of Orlando and San Bernardino.
But the facts tell another story. Five of Bouhlel’s accomplices are in custody and have been charged with terrorism offenses, including supplying weapons. One accomplice — who gloried in the Charlie Hebdo attack — went back to film “the scene of the crime” after the attacks, said Molins. Bouhlel sent SMS messages referring to another attack planned in a month. Analysts suggest the terrorist may have been deliberately hiding his religious jihadist-terrorist tendencies and plans for a long time.
The parallels with the playbook after June’s Orlando attack are eerie. The FBI’s investigations showed Omar Mateen had known terror links via a radical mosque. His father was a pro-Taliban Afghan extremist, and his wife was there when he bought arms and drove him to the Pulse nightclub. Like Bouhlel, Mateen showed strong signs of being keyed into the virtual ISIS “sympathizers and fanboys” network and posted on Facebook during his massacre. Yet the identical “lone disturbed actor” narrative was flogged by President Obama and the FBI, as well as US researchers like Brookings Institution’s Will McCants and his peers at Georgetown University and beyond.
These same “experts” have resurfaced with their discredited “French connection” theories post-Nice to wave away the bloodbath on the Riviera as merely “ISIS-ish” because it was perpetrated by a “troubled youth with a criminal past” who was goaded into to it because of France’s “veil bans.”
The moral equivalence crowd blame “French political culture” with its so-called “aggressive secularism” — everything but the violent imported Salafist jihadist ideology, and its ISIS variant that Bouhlel embraced. Perniciously, they “forget” Bouhlel was not “made in France”: he was born and raised in Tunisia, by far the world’s largest exporter of ISIS foreign fighters to Syria and Iraq. He had a French resident’s card (thanks to his Franco-Tunisian wife he married in Tunisia) after arriving aged 21 and didn’t go through the radicalization crucible of French prison. They wilfuly ignore the influence his Tunisian upbringing could have had on what Islam specialists like Gilles Kepel show is a long Salafist-driven process toward a violent “rupture” with society. “Bouhlel is from an Islamist milieu, which is particularly pronounced in his Tunisian town of M’saken,” says Patrick Amoyel, a Nice psychologist who has worked on deradicalization. “He was in a sense raised on the Islamist feeding bottle. His father was an eminent local member of the Islamist party Ennahda. According to some sources he was a member of radical separatist networks…on Facebook.”
David Thomson, the French journalist and author of Les Francais jihadistes, pinpoints widespread “denial” post-Nice, even after Islamic State claimed responsibility. “Being mentally unbalanced has never stopped someone from becoming a jihadist,” he says.
The tired lone-wolf formula is being invoked in Germany after the train axe attack by a refugee who made a pre-horror-spree gore video, cheered on by ISIS. Still, he is said to have “no connection” with the group — and was possibly just depressed because his friend died!
The peddlers of what the French call the loup solitaire theory, afraid of being called Islamophobic, know the public is more at ease with a bonkers solitary character than a determined, religiously-inspired, politically-driven, networked terrorist, bathed in a climate of hatred of the West, Muslim “apostates,” and “infidels” common in Sunni Salafist communities as well as in the radical cyber “jihadisphere”.
Our leaders don’t want to admit they’ve missed a key element: ISIS is giving formal training to its recruits, even if the training is remote. Just because these attackers have no direct links with the hierarchy in Syria and are not getting orders does not take away from their affiliation, connections, and caliphate-soldier bona fides.
For French criminologist Alain Bauer, the lone wolf is “extremely rare” and the only recent examples are outside the Islamist terror model: Norway’s far right killer Anders Breivik and America’s anarchist Unabomber.
As Regis Le Sommier the author of a book on ISIS called Daech, L’Histoire explains, after San Bernardino, Orlando, and Nice: “the lone wolf doesn’t exist. We always find a connection and see there is a network.”
Emma-Kate Symons is a Washington, DC-based journalist and former Paris correspondent, published in The Wall Street Journal, Quartz, The Atlantic, The Australian, The Financial Review and Women in the World.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/22/attacks-france-colonial-past-war-terror#comments
Classic victim blaming from the Gurdian.Basically the French have it coming for their colonial past and the real tradgedy is a possible rise in Islamaphobia.
"The attacks in France show that its colonial past endures
The attack in Nice, in which 84 people were mown down by a French resident of Tunisian origin, has been a watershed in French politics. After the trauma of the killings, incidents of open, blatant, anti-Muslim hatred have sparked a new, worrying phase."
The comments section is revealing.Must be 95%+ that are sick of this regressive bullsht
Classic victim blaming from the Gurdian.Basically the French have it coming for their colonial past and the real tradgedy is a possible rise in Islamaphobia.
"The attacks in France show that its colonial past endures
The attack in Nice, in which 84 people were mown down by a French resident of Tunisian origin, has been a watershed in French politics. After the trauma of the killings, incidents of open, blatant, anti-Muslim hatred have sparked a new, worrying phase."
The comments section is revealing.Must be 95%+ that are sick of this regressive bullsht
she has a history of this analysis - she was interviewed in Paris live on sky after the killing of the jews in the shop and hebdo office
a typical blind excusnic
a typical blind excusnic
Turns out the truck driver was a no borders activist.
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