Matador gored to death in Spain

like I've said earlier.. some real morons on this thread who have no idea about the life this bull would have.

And to revel in the death of this man is unforgivable.

Who's looking for forgiveness?

Slaughter if done right should be near instant!

Bull fighting inflicts severe suffering & paiiiiiiiiin, surely any idiot can see that?

again **** the matador, good riddance

When your time comes, Ron, I hope you get the death that you deserve.

I revel in it Crags
you don't have to forgive me

We are animals ourselves Craggs part of the Great Ape family
We also kill more of our one specious than any other animal on this planet
as well killing other animals more than other species

We are an incredibly violent species.
If someone kills Bulls it is only fair a bull kills him

I hope you do as well Crags gored to death by a bullp

Trying to take the moral high ground then come out with that comment. Total hypocrite crags.

they shove needles in Bulls joints to weaken it,and Vaseline in eyes before it enters ring

nCrags is not on high ground he is a hole....and digging himself deeper in with every post

xmoneyx

Hopefully you people aren't too stupid to understand my post of 12.01. But I'm not banking on it.

Slaughter if done right should be near instant!

Bull fighting inflicts severe suffering & paiiiiiiiiin, surely any idiot can see that?

again **** the matador, good riddance

So if you were given the chance to get snuffed out hopefully pain free at 10 years old or have more freedom and then go in to a ring as a twenty year old and possibly suffer pain and possibly die but maybe have a chance of living you're pretty certain you would chose the first?

crags won the speedboat bullseye,he lives in  Milton Keynes high rise

xmoneyx added to my ever growing list of numpties.

And, very sadly, pumpy

must be a long list if I'm on

Jul 11, 2016 -- 12:19AM, xmoneyx wrote:

must be a long list if I'm on

That made me laugh, so have deleted you from said list.

how many on his list of supposed normal people
3 or 4!!!

the numpty types must be far out weighing

What would that tell yer!

It gives me a nice warm feeling that for most Brits or Irish, regardless of which political persuasion you are on, torturing and taunting an animal to death makes you a good old fashioned ***t of a man. I feel a breaking out of unity in the room .

Firstly crags I wont lose any sleep over it, secondly however barbaric bull fighting is I was not lording over his  death.

I do hope your stop feeling very sad soon though

the question about having a few years running free is academic. i cannot fathom how a civilised people can exult in the discomfort of a confused terrified animal being tortured. i like spain, and its people, but this 'tradition' is vile, and needs to be described thus. imagine bull-fighting had not previously existed, and you try to introduce it? no chance. the outrage would be overwhelming. what does that tell you?

Many people would say the same about horse racing and eating meat.

crags    Joined: 06 May 10
Replies: 7405 11 Jul 16 00:08 
Hopefully you people aren't too stupid to understand my post of 12.01. But I'm not banking on it.

is anyone else on the same wave level as this man? what's he on about

Britain had **** fighting, dog fighting, bear fighting I think, etc, we became civilised.
We also used to burn witches and put unmarried mothers in asylums.

I don't accept the "it's historic and cultural" argument one little bit.

It's similar to when muslims rape young girls & say "it's historic and cultural"

We're just acting like our great false prophet - see the first Cologne sex offenders
got a suspended sentence (big deal)  & 1 just laughed & showed no remorse

Your red streak
On the plot where many feet
Left it incomplete.
But you kept the meaning.
You feel him charge again,
And you feel him cut you down
Right on the spot
Where you thought
You were ground for good.
These flights of fantasy
Make your wounds more sore,
But you've every right
To even grab at the last straw.
Oh, Lord...

Oh, you rolling matador,
Kill in your eyes
For the toro
That shut the door
To glory and gore.
The throw of the rose--
It's all you lived for,
But you've lost it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfePF8GjLA

As I posted earlier it was argued before it was banned in the last 10 years or so that it was cultural to throw live goats and donkeys out of a church bell tower.
Hopefully sometime soon they'll see the light with bullfighting as well. BTW the goats and donkeys were thrown during a Spanish religious festival.

I accept it

I accept it has always been, is & always will be historically & culturally cruel & Barbaric.

I Can't see as they will stop it though aka.

it's gone on for far to long.

what sort of sick people are these that get enjoyment from viewing that filth

An area where the EU could intervene surely.
Nope you're right Ron they'll turn a blind eye to it.

are spanish and french people barbarians? they indulge in practices we find abhorrent. hunting is normal for them. they laugh at our prohibition of fox-hunting, laws that they will never pass. are we uniquely civilised?

makes you think grappler.

is this a very good reason we're distancing ourselves from this - we're just not
the same breed of people

Jul 11, 2016 -- 12:37AM, Make my hay wrote:

Your red streak On the plot where many feet Left it incomplete. But you kept the meaning. You feel him charge again, And you feel him cut you down Right on the spot Where you thought You were ground for good. These flights of fantasy Make your wounds more sore, But you've every right To even grab at the last straw. Oh, Lord... Oh, you rolling matador, Kill in your eyes For the toro That shut the door To glory and gore. The throw of the rose-- It's all you lived for, But you've lost it all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfePF8GjLA

What point are you trying to make? I'm aware of this song and this has nothing to do with a matador being killed and certainly Kate would not be 'punching the air' at the thought of it. FFS

can I change direction

bull seman

Your lucky to get away with that comment crags years back id have wiped floor
with you over that - lucky i've chilled a tiny bit.

see it's removed - nothing to do with me, im not a grass

The Matador Víctor Barrio would not have been risking his life if he did not 100% believe  he was indulging in something about honour and respect in line with the  culture of his country .

The barbarians on here ,the same mob that insisted rolf was inocent and defend paedos and say their victims have not been harmed ,the same  sickos  talk of having no sympathy but know nothing of bullfighting ,its origins or culture ,they are ignorant fools .
The type that cheered on when the labour party wasted 700 hours of parly time on banning foxhunting and less than 12 before inavding Iraq ,the  same immoral sorts that put animals before humans ,confuse animals with humans  and distort reality .

RIP Victor Barrio and applogies to any Spanish people looking in and reading these disturbed rants from cavemen

Jul 11, 2016 -- 12:57AM, Ron-Russian wrote:

Your lucky to get away with that comment crags years back id have wiped floor with you over that - lucky i've chilled a tiny bit.see it's removed - nothing to do with me, im not a grass

Fook off you moron

Well said.

I think she would be disappointed with you, she's an animal rights supporter and would be pleased the matador got killed.

one no good ****  ^

that was aimed at the no good piece of sh1t that is crags btw.

Jul 11, 2016 -- 12:50AM, crags wrote:

Jul 11, 2016 -- 12:37AM, Make my hay wrote:Your red streak On the plot where many feet Left it incomplete. But you kept the meaning. You feel him charge again, And you feel him cut you down Right on the spot Where you thought You were ground for good. These flights of fantasy Make your wounds more sore, But you've every right To even grab at the last straw. Oh, Lord... Oh, you rolling matador, Kill in your eyes For the toro That shut the door To glory and gore. The throw of the rose-- It's all you lived for, But you've lost it all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfePF8GjLAWhat point are you trying to make? I'm aware of this song and this has nothing to do with a matador being killed and certainly Kate would not be 'punching the air' at the thought of it. FFS

Kate's lyrics have always been a bit ambiguous, but the one thing I'm certain about is that she would never be punching the air over the death of a human being.

get of this thread you sick ****

I supported Rolf because I'm against bull fighting

well thought out argument

Jul 11, 2016 -- 1:05AM, Ron-Russian wrote:

get of this thread you sick ****

Go to bed you silly little boy.

how the **** can you get a post like that removed if the traitor done it himself?

if someone else reported him surely the no good c**t should be banned?

He has a point. There are certain people on this thread  that are aghast at people not buying free range eggs but trivialise kiddy fiddling.

start acting your age crags ffs.

you'll end up giving yourself a heart attack - we wouldn't wanna see that would we

Ron a shoe-in for your list

No, can't believe I'm actually wasting my time conversing with an absolute idiot like RR.

I've disappointed myself so off up the wooden hill for me, take care x

Jul 11, 2016 -- 1:16AM, xmoneyx wrote:

Ron a shoe-in for your list

Shoo-in, not Shoe- in. ffs

http://grammarist.com/spelling/shoo-in/

Shrewd_dude    11 Jul 16 01:10 
He has a point. There are certain people on this thread  that are aghast at people not buying free range eggs but trivialise kiddy fiddling.

i am sorry about the matadors death. i am also sorry that this exercise in 'honour' and 'respect' exists. how you conflate this with iraq or 'rolf' i dont know. the fact is that if you were to try to introduce bull-fighting now, the e.u. would call you a lot of names, and tell you to pheck off. but because it is a tradition, that makes it ok, and the spanish get away with it. if i tried to introduce the north london bull-fighting squad in competition with the spanish version, i would be shredded by liberals that hate blood-sports;  the same people who call fox-hunters 'barbarians' do not realise that the rest of europe are, by their definition, barbarian. restriction of hunting and laws against animal cruelty are at their strongest in the u.k.

Nonsense point as I said before. If you tried to introduce eating meat, horse racing, Cigarettes, alcohol etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. they wouldn't be allowed either.

is that your best defence? things that exist but should not? bull fighting is seen as abhorrent in all of europe. are we all wrong? it cannot exist elsewhere. we deem it cruel, and will not have it. you say it is ok, because of tradition. i say bollox.

Sorry, but your argument was that if it was introduced now it wouldn't be allowed. This is a very poor argument because there are numerous things that wouldn't be allowed if they were introduced now. If you want to adopt the abhorrent and cruel argument then fair enough but don't blame me for you adopting an argument that is nonsense and doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Flamenco Dancing and Paella are historical and cultural in Spain, but Bull Fighting is barbaric and has no place in a civilised world.

Barbaric is making millions of people destitute by invading their country and destroying their existance ,but somehow a few dead bulls is a top priority

Civilised world you say  ....17m people in the uk are sick of the luvvies telling them what they must think

leave spain alone ,its  youth unemployment that needs tackled not their culture

Fox hunting is considered by some to be our culture in the uk.
It's still barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.
Bit like dog fighting**** fighting, bear baiting etc .
Bull fighting comes under the same category imo.
It's cruel and is only there for the ' pleasure ' of the audience.
We don't live in gladiatorial times.
Maybe those that enjoy  the sight of bulls being tormented,tortured then slain, would wish the same on humans fighting to the death.

Hopefully we've moved on.

Well done the Bull ...
the Matador knew the risks and got what he deserved from this barbaric sport.

I watched the uncut version youtube,the matador,his eyes roll,then dies

Braednbuttewr the voice of reason. Very well said. I was going to post yesterday but some of the comments made me so angry I would've said something I might regret.

Some sicko saying he was glad his wife was there to see it !!

There was never the same outpouring when the religion of peace threw somebody they considered to be gay to his death from a high building.

Or even when they buried a poor women up to her neck and then stoned her to death, because she might be an adulterer.


It's cruel but there are more pressing things that need putting right.

Rockinron  • July 11, 2016 9:00 AM BST 
Well done the Bull ...
the Matador knew the risks and got what he deserved from this barbaric sport.

I agree Rockinron. I think this sport? should be abolished like **** fighting, bear baiting and other barbaric sports.

I see no reason we cannot deal with animal rights and women and gay rights together kim.

c ock

you called yourself a c ock

Braednbuttewr the voice of reason No he isn't Kim. He's the voice of boloks. Every time there's an animal cruelty related thread he always makes some pathetic reason to condone it or at least not criticise it.

So we can't discuss a suffering bull without someone equating it worse (in their opinion) human suffering. Ridiculous.

if anyone has seen a bullfight and how those ba$tards make the animal suffer a slow and horrid death just to please some daygos,they like me should say serves you right amigo

A lot of the people on here can be put in the same bracket as the cretins who say JT Macnamara got what he deserves for 'whipping and torturing' racehorses.

I am an animal lover but have watched a bullfight. I am ashamed to say that I found it fascinating.

More to my taste is Swiss Cow fighting. Nothing gets hurt except the few onlookers who get tiddled and fall over.

Kenny I don't read all the animal threads so I didn't know BB's previous opinions but I agree with what he said on here.

I'm an animal lover I've rescued 2 dogs and a couple of farm cats, my uncle had a farm when I was a nipper I've always been around animals.

Bull fighting is cruel,but there are worse examples of animal cruelty as you well know and often rightly point out,

Before we start taking the Spanish to task we need to look a bit closer to home and the things young children are subjected to in this country.

I'm swimming against the tide here but I felt sorry for the guy and even sorrier for his wife having to witness it and I'm hardened to a lot of things in life.

Haven't even read this thread but inevitably it turned into a Kenny Mann rant.  Just bear in mind everyone that he pays his way by betting on horses who are habitually whipped and feeds his cats on meat that comes from dubious sources.  Not saying that his motives aren't noble just that he is inconsistent, which isn't the biggest crime in the world.

Shocking and given warning I would never be looking at this!

Did they drag him out with a tractor as I think that is the tradition?

I watched a documentary, some years ago, about a twelve year old boy learning the roll.

He got hurt and was clearly upset but told to go back into the arena.

He did kill the bull which was worn down by the "Picadors" (I think that's the term) with multiple blades in it's back,
and he dispatched it with the long curved sword, that they have under the red cape.

Awful!!

Fair enough, Kim.

I do my best. rob. Feed my cats the least cruel food as I've told you several times and even posted the link more than once.

It's not either/or, whatever we have going on here is naff all to whether or not we hold the Spanish in contempt for this or not. Judging by posts on newspapers and youtube etc it's not a popular thing anywhere.
Re the O/P again, got to be a very successful troll? "Good family entertainment"

News: "Disney Pixar beat "Finding Nemo"'s box office receipts with "Stabbing Lorenzo". Good family entertainment all round as the animated jolly farm animal gets brutally stabbed to death by a dancing ponce in a ridiculous camp outfit that if you hadn't seen it in real life you'd think was made up in the minds of the animators".

Gave a fist pump when I came across this news.

Serves him right.

I concur there Wesdag

I would not mind if it was a fight?

It is the slow weakening and torture or the bull I object to

I think the bull should come into the ring fresh and take on the matador

A good clean clean kill either way I could live with

xmoneyx
I supported Rolf because I'm against bull fighting
well thought out argument

To the people saying that the Matador deserved to die, what exactly are you advocating?

The death penalty for animal cruelty??

Would have to start handing out some pretty stiff sentences for other crimes then.

I'm sure he knew the risks, but there is a world of difference between saying this, and saying he deserved to die.

And disagreeing with bullfighting and not revelling in a man's death are not mutually exclusive.

I did not say he deserved to die

what I said was he can have no conceivable complaint!


considering the Bulls he has killed

my objection is not to the kill, a thrust between the eyes is ok

it is the preceding torture of the bull I object to

you could give the bull,a slap up meal,an a cow before he enters ring

Apparently the "tradition" is that if a bull manages to kill the matador instead of being killed itself for the pleasure of a baying audience, it's mother is also then killed so it can't produce any more bulls that actually fight back. That seems fair. What a lovely tradition.

Heads the matador wins, tails the bull loses.

In Spain, 3,200 official bullfights take place annually. About 210,000 bulls die every year in Latin American bullfights (Mexico, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador and Venezuela). Fifty-two matadors have been killed in the arena since 1700.

a good idea xmoneyx

Unfortunately Moneytree did a couple of banks on the matador at 1.000001

occupational hazard imo. he knew the risks.
the real sick ones are the ones that go to watch those 'events', including his wife.

There is some who say the same thing about the Grand National ,racing ,the circus ,zoos ,keeping pets ,eating meat ,eggs ,milk ect

there is even a thread on horse racing ...turkeys and christmas

just to clear one thing up ...bullfighting is not a sport ,they moved away from sport to art a long time ago .

Anyone been to a bullfight ?

Anyone read  death in the afternoon  ?

can anyone see the problems with calling for a ban on something like this and the problems that could cause and the unitended consiquences it could produce  ,the change of the landscpae to the joblosses and the cultural void it would leave ,the feelings of having your culture removed by people that do not understand ?

So many comments about the matador getting what he deserved ect just shows that as a species the human has not come far ,yet we have moved a long way in the last 50 years some have us believe ,here is a cartoon from 1953

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyU3wapBC-Q

i wonder how the moral ajudicator will find when when its your turn to be judged ,when your loves  are picked over and devoured in a hail of hate and spite ....i wonder how they will stand up to close scrutiny and examination .

I dont have a love of bullfighting ,i have never been to one ,i could see how some people might view it or come to think its cruel but the way this story has devoloped over twitter ect is interesting to say the least ,there is potential for great damage to be unleashed in the world via social media imo ,and when it comes you might find the unintended consequences not to your taste .

It is my opinion that bullfighting is indefensible.

Seems like someone's had my post removed for congratulating the bull for acting in self defence.

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While some people still half-heartedly attempt to market bullfighting as a "tradition" to gullible tourists, the vast majority of Spaniards – and more than 100 municipalities across Spain – have rejected this bloody spectacle.

Blooody good for them.

Amazed to see an obituary for the matador in The Times today.

Seems he was a journeyman matador, not one of the top ones.

Championship level, I suppose.

Said he was the first matador to die in 30 years.  So, in recent years the scoreline would be Bulls 1 Matadors about 10,000.

When I was ca 18-20, I went on a holiday to Majorca. We went on a trip that included some bull fighting. Copious alcohol was available before we went to see the bull fighting. It was a fairly small bull, but a bit dangerous all the same. The bull was not killed, nor harmed as far as I recall, and probably had his horns bound up in some material. (It was a long time ago) They actually encouraged people on the trip to get in the ring and be chased by the bull! Some lads would jump into the ring and be chased across the ring by the bull and jump up into the stand on the other side of the ring. It looked fairly dangerous to me, particularly since most of the young lads were tanked up.