racists 1..remain 0

Portmanpark and I don't always see eye to eye but I agree with him to an extent. Racists? Possibly. Bigots? Almost certainly.

yeah, it is so racist to want to earn a better wage and not your kids to be unemployed

I'll go one step forward...I would kick out the people who voted remain.....Traitors the lot of them.

How moronic.

My children are half Slav - Hitler's 2nd least favourite group.  Most of my major relationships have been/are with 'foreign' women (quite a high Germanic content). Idiot left-wingers always seem to ignore the lessons of history and the realities of human nature - incorporate both into your ideology and you might progress.

JM.........I have nothing against you........I quite enjoy youre posts but my objection was posting a bet on one game that on all other games would be a loser......I might be wrong but an unlikely scenario someone would pick a winning bet and ignore the other games.....maybe you was just lucky

No problem, PP. I did state that I lost on the other match that day and believe me, there have been plenty others. And in fact I wasn't posting to gloat - the opposite in fact - I won a fair chunk by cashing out at the right time and I was lucky there wasn't a seventh goal.

ive had no winning bets at the euros

ive had no winning bets at the euros

Think we'll see some decent games and plenty of goals in this next set of fixtures. I'm tempted to bet either team to win on penalties in each fixture where the price seems to be a minimum of 11s/12s. That's 16 bets and I can see at least two going all the way to show a profit.

Room 0182 nails it for me. It has been the policy of remainers and successive governments to shout racist instead of dealing with the many immigration issues that have arisen.

"Racist" doesn't have one clear-cut meaning, so if someone calls you a racist, they might mean several different things.

You hate people of all races other than your own.
You hate people of some races, or maybe just one.
You don't hate people based on race, but you have some prejudices and stereotypes.
You're ignorant and insensitive.
You are perpetuating oppression, maybe accidentally or unintentionally.

PP is certainly displaying his hatred of posters on this forum. STFUYFSDC. HTH

have nots 1..haves 0

if you are wealthy enough not to be affected enough to vote...you will still be wealthy enough for it not to matter

Spot on, PP had a really big bowl of stupid for breakfast,

did you eat half?

This morning, another ill-informed person on another thread described the Leave voters as being "racist" and "nostalgic".

The moment he was asked to explain why someone who wanted to live in a country which made its own laws and controlled its own borders (e.g. Australia. NZ, Canada, and many African sovereign states) was 'racist', he quickly became flummoxed. He quickly decided that 'racist' wasn't perhaps the appropriate word after all, not that it stopped him using it in the first place naturally. Such individuals like to spray the word 'racist' around like confetti at a same-sex marriage. 

So, let's see if the Opening Poster can do any better.

PortmanPark - can you explain to us why the persons who voted to 'Leave' the EU, in order to (e.g.) regain control over their law-making abilities and Border Control, are somehow 'racists' ?   Are the African Sovereign countries, for example, who control their own law-making processes and borders ALSO racists?

Regarding the ethnic make-up of the persons who voted 'Leave', such as the White, Black, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani heritage voters, are these ALL racists too, or just some of them?

Looking forward to a comprehensive explanation.

Yours aye.

Hard to be more racist than an EU which discriminates against everywhere else in the world in every way, from denying immigrants from the rest of the planet the same rights as those within its member states, all the way through to preventing farmers in poor third world countries from selling their produce here in order to protect subsidized and inefficient French producers.

Marine Le Pen has changed her profile pic to a union jack. We are the pride of fascists everywhere. We've really screwed up, Britain.

Jun 24, 2016 -- 4:02PM, chavman wrote:

did you eat half?

YESSSSS

How do France's internal problems have the potential to "screw up" the UK now please? They might have done up until yesterday.

sfb, don't hold your breath for a sensible answer.

PP .... The term "racist" is now so  freely banded about that like the terms LEGEND and BULLYING it has become meaningless

All through campaigning, anyone who supported Leave has been vilified for being racist, unkind, intolerant and narrow minded bigots.

Since the early hours of this morning I've read and heard more nastiness, intolerance and bigotry from losers who voted remain than I've heard from any brexiters.

As an aside and I know it's petty but, I'd like to say that the best part of the whole day was seeing the look on Emily Thornberry's face on BBC this morning. It was drooping so far she looked like the Nazi Storm-trooper who opened the box at the end of Raiders Of The Lost Ark.

That's not racism, that's protectionism and looking after oneself. That's the whole point of the EU, for the member states within it to avoid it and bolster each other with the freer movement of trade.  Ofc, now we are in the same position as the African farmer.  MUGS.

Yeah, 'cos tariffs, subsidies and protectionism have an excellent track record for bolstering economies, don't they? I mean, you only have to look at how the success of the Eurozone to see that.

Some very simple people on here trying to suggest that a vote for brexit was racist.

How do they explain Luton voting for leave?

Even Newham, voted 47.2% for leave.

A bit more complexity of thought is required I suggest.

And how is suddenly having the ability to buy and sell food to the whole world going to leave us in the same position as the African farmer who currently can't?

I think by using the racist / bigot card, Remain lost a massive amount of votes.

Levelling accusations like that at people, day in day out, just pi$$es people off and makes them more anti.

"Yeah, 'cos tariffs, subsidies and protectionism have an excellent track record for bolstering economies, don't they? I mean, you only have to look at how the success of the Eurozone to see that.Plain"

EXACTLY  within the EU you can't play that card, with some exceptions like Betfair have found out.

True Emden.

age divide in the vote.........most racist are from an older generation.......almost every person I know over 60 is a racist

Next month when I do my weekly shopping and it's increased by 5-10% in price, all I'll think is MUGS.

Correct workrider, but don't expect people who cheaply denigrate African farmers to understand that.

CLYDEBANK29, your logic explains perfectly why you and your fellow MUGS lost. fckin clueless.

petrol going up next week too,

and I assume most on this thread are not young so it proves it really...............rather sad really

The penny hasn't dropped for postmanprat yet.

It's exactly that sort of sneering condescension that got millions putting a cross in the out box.

Politicians have been warned for decades that this was coming, but instead of acknowledging people's concerns they carried on regardless.

They deserve everything they got last night and I'm delighted.

Nothing more to add.

brexiters havnt worked out they have lost too

wait until next election, watch them squeal

You are more likely to be xenophobic or prejudiced if you are older (racism is extreme xenophobia or prejudice and is a word bandied about too frequently to attack people)  That's not exactly rocket science.  Is there a link between that fact and the Referendum result.  Of course there is.

My 79yo dad is bordering racist.  It's a generational thing, but he voted remain because he's educated, worked in doing business within Europe and worldwide all his life and he wanted the highest possible standard of living for himself and his kids.  Had he been uneducated and not in business, I'm sure he'd have voted out.

Pensioner envy is not an edifying trait, your dad must be so proud of you, does he know what you say about him on a gambling forum. I'm getting bored now, you carry on, empty vessels (like your heid) make the loudest noises.

My dad knows my views on his ethnic beliefs and he doesn't deny it.  He's also a snob and he doesn't deny that either.  He and I accept it's a generation thing and neither of us give little thought on the other one's views on that subject.  He can be very offensive to other people, but he'd be the first person on the front line leading the troops in a war.  He's a very knowledgeable, forthright and intelligent man, and I respect him greatly on many levels.

You've dragged me back for one last post on this thread with that excellent post, it is worthy of respect though I'm not assuming for a second that you would place any value/worth on my opinion, so whether or not you want my respect, you now have it.

I've finished for the moment at least discussing this, and now wondering how we overcome the schism this referendum has caused.

shanelee..........protest all you want.........you are a RACIST.................get over it

well our fick all to do with race - its about sovreignty

Will self on channel 4 now being interview seams very bitter it's called democracy

Classic seethe from Self.

Lol he face was a joy to behold   sneering at the working class

Immigration mattered, but one poll had it as only our third major concern: Democracy and jobs were more important. Significantly, many ethnic minorities voted for Brexit. Slough voted Leave despite being majority nonwhite.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/24/opinions/trump-brexit-stanley/

The screeching accusations of racism probably defines this debate,it has been just about all the Remain camp have been able to come up with.A decade ago that carried weight but now,we have become immune to it and it has little or no impact.It may even be negative as it merely hardens resolve to campaign against those juvenile commentators who use the comment.Politicians who witnessed the effect of Gordon Brown's error with this have to stop looking backwards and learn.

The racists don't like being called out on their racism, as PM Brown found out.

immune to being racist , seems fair enough

it may be a natural, even necessary part of a successful society that some of its people will be racist. Perhaps the more civilised and gifted a country is the more racist it is likely to be, it may be no more than an observation.

It was a pathetic argument before, and obviously those shouting the Racism card haven't learnt the lesson.

If you concentrated more about reforming the EU and its bureaucratic nonsense  and putting in measures to control immigration then Britain would still probably be in the EU rather than now leaving.

Sums up the remain camp, sticking their fingers in their ears and just repeating "racists, racists, racists"

no , there are some voted out for other reasons than racism

some racists voted remain as they were racist the other way round

but if cap fits carry on wearing it with obvios or oblivious pride

loads of ethnics and east europeans voted out

No pathetically poor attempts at humour from coachbuster tonite? What a shame

I was thinking the same thing coaster

It's a terrible word especially in public, as the person
using the vile word is automatically thought of as the person in the
right if anyone's within hearing range!

It's been used as a trump card for far to long

i know a few eastern's - they just joked about it today saying their going home!


as Coach said a fair old few also wanted out

"when you hear the word patriot or nationalist...........just insert racist"
Go to Smith's and buy a dictionary - ****...

think you've just proved my point..............congrats you a bona fide racist

soon as someone comes out with the line....I am not a racist...............you know they are

As a 54-year-old Leave voter, could you just clear up for me whether it's the Ukrainian half of me on my father's side that's a racist towards the English half of me on my mother's side or vice versa? Ta.

Screaming, you can't have a sensible discourse about reason and common sense against an opponent who is so obviously lacking in both values. The guy is a blinkered self absorbed jackass who should be left to ask and answer his own inane ramblings.

In my opinion obviously.

screaming.............if you have to say........I'm not a racist you are almost certainly are one.........look youre not alone.........theres 16 million in this country

I can see by the posts people hate being labelled a racist but the fact of life is....you are

Si ipso facto if you're labelled a moronic phukkwit you must be one.

Have a nice day, you moronic phukkwit.

kit..........I have obviously hit a nerve

Likewise deary. Goodbye.

why does the race of somebodys parents affect their ability to be a racist ?

i doubt there were 17 million racists, but more like 5-6 million, seems some
have found this thread

Osmond, I just need to be clear whether I'm an Englishman with a racist attitude towards eastern Europeans or an eastern European who is racist towards the English. I clearly can't be both, so which is it?

Donny, how are things in Latter Day Saintsville, and how come you are so interested in your English cousins?? how do you square the circle of associating with gambooollers and your beliefs in your supreme doctrines, mmmmmmmmmmm.

BTW,how are the nashers

Shouldn't you be more concerned with your well-known rejection of mainstream Christianity in favor of modern "prophets, seers, and revelators" high officials chosen by the lay leadership and revered by today's 14 million Mormons as virtual demigods whose words trump not only the church's adopted canon, but the Bible itself.

You are a conundrum aren't you...........

πιπιλίζουν το πουλί μου, HTH

The concept of racism comes from making negative generalisations out of ignorance. It appears from this thread that some people are trying to make negative generalisations out of ignorance. It seems that maybe you are closer to what you despise than you realise.

great post UA

screaming......the good thing for you now is you shouldn't be afraid to tell people you are racist..........you should  feel free to express youre bigotry.............you are after all in the majority..........mind you last night most of the brexit supporters probably buoyed by the numbers and results were not shy to show their bigotry

racists like portman make me sick - why do you hate whites so much?

you just cause trouble with all your narrow minded xenophobic ranting

which nasty organisation do you belong to?

As my wife say's the racist's are the one who call others racist

Anyway a better thread header should read

I'm all right Jack 0  Struggling to live outside of capital cities 1

If I were you portmanpark I would look a little closer to home to discover who the bigots are.

you protest too much.........you don't have to stay behind closed doors anymore you can bring you"re bigotry out on the streets...............think we saw that last night

I'm not protesting at all just posting that I think you're the bigot.

Anyway that's my last word as life's too short to get involved with this petty small mindedness. You lost get over it.

I think portmanpark has got it spot on.

Brexit is an English nationalist revolution

Stiff upper lips part and release wild and inarticulate cry of rage and triumph


The English always prided themselves on not doing revolutions.
Their last one, in 1688, was, for them, a curiously polite affair: the blood flowed at Aughrim and the Boyne, but not in East Anglia or Bristol.
The self-image of English conservatives is one of slow, careful, moderate change. And now, ironically, the very people who claim to revere this heritage have staged a sudden, reckless, leap-in-the-dark coup. The country that prides itself on sober moderation has made one of the most impulsive moves ever undertaken in a developed democracy. The stiff upper lips have parted and released a wild and inarticulate cry of rage and triumph.
Make no mistake: this is an English nationalist revolution.
At its heart are all of the things the English used to see as the province of other, less rational, nations: identity, difference, the deep passions of belonging and resentment. It did not, in the end, matter that no one on the Brexit side could articulate a coherent economic case for leaving the EU. It did not even matter that those who will take over from David Cameron will be right-wing market fundamentalists whose policies will deepen the very inequalities and alienation that have driven working class voters towards Leave. It did not even matter that the very entity in whose name independence is being claimed — the United Kingdom — is surely doomed by Brexit.
What mattered was what always matters in nationalist revolutions: the appeal of Us against Them.
It helped the Leave campaign enormously that Them is both tangible and abstract, both very near and quite far away.
It is, on the one hand, the visible faces of large numbers of immigrants and, on the other, the faceless bureaucracy in Brussels. These were perfect targets for resentment, not least because they can’t answer back. Immigrants and bureaucrats were not on anybody’s campaigning platform. It was easy to turn them into sinister forces bent on crowding the English out of their own homeland and binding them in chains of red tape.
And it helped, too, that the European Union really is in a terrible state, that the passing of the generation of European leaders who experienced the second World War has left a vacuum where visionary leadership ought to be. Painting the EU as a failed project is grossly simplistic, but there is enough truth in this crude portrait for people to recognise the likeness.
It helped, finally and most ironically of all, that the same Conservative Party whose internal disputes created this historic moment, is governing with the very limited legitimacy that 35 per cent of the vote confers. Britain’s unreformed first-past-the-post electoral system has left huge parts of the population feeling democratically irrelevant and unrepresented. However much one might be repelled by Ukip, it is obvious that when four million people vote for party and it gets just a single MP, Westminster itself becomes Them for many voters.
But if the Them side of the nationalist equation is strong, the Us side is dangerously weak.
This is a revolution that has scarcely spoken its own name. The English nationalism that fueled it was not explicitly on the table — it was cloaked in talk of Britain and the UK, as if those historically-constructed entities would be unshaken by the earthquake of Brexit. The English have no modern experience of national independence and the referendum campaign articulated no vision of what an independent England will actually look like.
The key word in the pro-Brexit rhetoric was “back” – take back control; take back our country. Insofar as there is any vision behind the revolution, it is nostalgic. There is the illusion that England will now go back to the way it used to be — a vigorous world power with a secure sense of its own identity that stands defiantly alone.
It’s a used-to-be that arguably never was and that certainly is not going to be restored.
In looking for security and stability, the English have launched themselves into one of the most unstable and uncertain periods in their modern history.

religious bigotry as well as racism

get it all out foxy

Still no answer to my question. I would have guessed I'm an eastern European who voted out through resentment at the British nicking the top 20% of our workforce to do the worst 20% of their own jobs.

But if I'm in fact a UK national resentful at eastern Europeans for ... oh I give up.

maybe you just have an identity crisis

who nose ?

Jun 25, 2016 -- 1:40PM, donny osmond wrote:

maybe you just have an identity crisiswho nose ?

Donny do you secretly wish you were Marie?? and are projecting your frustrations into a gambling forum in a desperate search for Identity and sense of belonging?????

I like Mormons much betterer than I like morons like you.HTH

get it all out !

This is tooooooo easy. come back when you have something interesting to say, maybe the cooooont in the corner of the betting with no @rse in his trousers, you know the the one.....knows everything including all the winners   Hold on....You're not him are you?????

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The tired and abused 'racist card' rears it's head in abundance; inevitably and pathetically sadly.

More than ever I am glad the Brexit vote prevailed because the country would have continued in a worse mess if the bigoted and anti-democractic 'Remain' lobby had won.

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king - time to get to specsavers and get some 'wider outlook' glasses.

Britain held a referendum in 1975 to see whether the public wished to stay in the European Community 'Common Market'.

How come precisely NONE of the 'Leave' voters during that era were routinely described as 'racists' and 'fascists' ?   What was different about them in those days?

charwell or as his mum knows him little tommy (robinson)

Ian McKellen rejects Brexit: 'If you’re gay, you’re an internationalist'

Brexit could be seen as homophobic as well.

portman is just a white hating racist

Which particular 'race' were the alleged 'racist' voters conspiring against? 

I'm particularly intrigued as the 'Leave' voters consisted of people of all colours and faiths.

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charwell or as his mum knows him little tommy (robinson)


What an odious little racist you are portmanpr1ck.

Victory tastes sweeter than I imagined with such puerile nonsense spouted from the lips of such a rancid mob of haters.

portmanpark is an anagram of rampant pork so I assume he phukks pigs in his spare time.

Yes, I can now reveal that portmanpark is in fact David Cameron.

It's democracy like in Eire they voted to leave and then keep voting to you get the right answer it's that really fair no the uk has stuck two fingers up rich and the powerful the kinnocks have been on the gravy train for way way to long well it's been stopped  in it's tracks Gordon brown that classed his own people as bigots for what ?  There are a lot of rich and powerful people not happy and left wing again very rich people not happy just take a look at the voting the poor areas of this country have had enough

You lost the vote it's called democracy no get over it