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Yes, he was very good, switched off then, cannot stand to listen to any more lies
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Cameron will be delighted that Farage is now the OUT poster boy. Very popular with his supporters, but there is a reason why he has tried and failed to become an MP on seven (!) different occasions. Will turn-off many more than he attracts and the referendum will be won or lost on the undecideds.
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Cameron
But I'm told we may be nearing the end of this rather predictable pattern. Some in the Remain camp believe this approach has run its course and may even have alienated some potential voters. So I am told that in the coming week we may see less of the prime minister - and the subsequent attacks from his own colleagues - and more from senior Labour figures, past and present. . http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36509931 |
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this is been potrayed as a close fight but in reality win or lose its fairly obvious the uk as a country want brexit,imagine if the prime minister,the leader of the opposition and the home secretary stopped worrying about their own futures and campaigned on their beliefs all 3 huge euro sceptics the result would be a formality, you,d only have clegg and harriot leading the fight without all camerons chums ,big buisness coming in behing them, it would be 75% for leave
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NF was fantastic , just as leader should be speaking. I personally dont care about the economy its all about controlling the number of immigrants.
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The out campaign must be delighted with the way Cameron has acted during this whole event, the public know he is a liar and a man lacking in principle, he has lost supporters with his two faced arrogance.
. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/678098/Video-young-David-Cameron-EU-Lisbon-Treaty-referendum-promise |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ako2yD8-j5k
In this Cameron tells us that we have nothing to fear by coming out of EU. And this is Nov 2015. The 2005 Conservative Party general election manifesto expressly pledged to “introduce a points-based system for work permits similar to the one used in Australia. “This will give priority to people with the skills Britain needs,” the manifesto stated. The man behind the manifesto: David Cameron MP. Now he tells us such a system would wreck the economy. |
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DIE LINKE ...doing a wonderful impression of a drowning IN campaigner.
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Andrew Marr has written a fictional book on the referendum, have a read if you can get a copy it is not bad.
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Just my opinion, twizzle22, but there is plenty of evidence for it.
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The best long term result for Farage/Ukip is probably a narrow remain win. If that happens there's going to be millions of disgruntled voters especially from Tory and Labour.
So you will have: Tories - pro EU Labour - pro EU Lib Dems - pro EU Greens - pro EU SNP - pro EU Plaid - pro EU Ukip - anti EU Next GE could be interesting if we remain inside. |
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We have seen how well Cameron negotiates on behalf of the U.K. So if we vote out he says he will stay on as PM, but surely most people would want him to go !
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Still can't believe there are 'undecided' voters out for this referendum.
But whenever ive heard a remain politician, they would only convince me to vote 'out'. Only huge scale scaremongering by the remains in the final days can prevent the country from having what it really wants. Au revoir EU. |
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Cameron's U turn from 2005 is perhaps acceptable as we can all change our mind in 10 years but to listen to him telling us in Nov 2015 we can survive outside the EU is totally unbelievable. The man loses all credibility.
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Cameron is a lying bstard, who would sacrifice millions of people for his own personal future wealth.
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Cameron will indeed be delighted that Farage is more prominent in the Leave campaign. Farage is a busted flush and fortunately isn't taken seriously by a huge majority of the British people. He's a great communicator but a one-topic politician trying to lead a party of Little Englanders who stray very close to racism. It's just another attempt to make this issue about immigration rather than the true agenda which is largely about self-governance and the economy.
I think there's a very good chance that Remain might turn out to be one of the bets of the year. |
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Lump on then Yeasty and paste your bet receipt on here.
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the moment blair got involved it was game over for the stays
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If I have a good Royal Ascot then I will certainly have a decent bet, but can't think of a reason why I'd post a bet receipt on here. Or are opinions judged solely on staking?
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It's just another attempt to make this issue about immigration rather than the true agenda which is largely about self-governance and the economy
well yeasty the polls show immigration to be the public's main concern. |
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tonic tony W.A.C.
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Agree Burton, it's definitely the public's main concern. But us being in or out will have much less effect on the culture of the nation or subsequent migration than say the effect on small businesses. I guess immigration is much more emotive so it's not a surprise to see it to the fore. Take that out of the picture and turnout would be a LOT lower and Remain would absolutely walk it.
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Good post yeasty.
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What is wrong with governing ourselves, we vote for who we want to run our country, whats the point if the EU can overrule us, its undemocratic.
Surely being able to dictate who comes to our country, and who we can deport is common sense, 30/40 years ago, scaremongering may have worked because the people knew no different, but its a different world nowadays, people are much more informed through the internet and social media, so people can see that all the scaremongering and bull5hit coming out of cameron and osbournes mouth , is simply that.. The only people who want us to stay are the rich politicians who are putting there own agenda ahead of the working class , and the other EU countries who know that if we leave, it'll be the end of the gravy train we supply them |
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Nothing wrong with that at all, dambuster. Agree with a lot of what you say. Self-governance is key. I think we have that though. But we also 'belong to a club' and there are rules in that. I think that the EU is a very long way from a perfect organisation. It seems pretty clear that there's terrible waste and a degree of self-interest from EU politicians (ours included) that is impossible to justify.
The way I'm approaching it is a simple choice - will my country be better off in the EU overall or worse off? I think we're better off being in and trying to reform it than attempting that from the outside. As such I'll vote Remain. Agree that there's a lot of scaremongering from Cameron etc. But there's just as much from the opposition. Some of that is fair and reasonable (plus, hey - that's politics). The stuff around immigration is very divisive and dangerous though. I do disagree that the only people who want us to stay are the rich politicians. The middle class (which now encompasses most of what would have been the old working class) would have a strong representation in the Remain camp. And why has the middle class grown so much? Because we're a demonstrably richer country than we were a generation or 2 ago. Free trade is part of that and is vital for our continued prosperity. That's more likely in the EU than out. Not essential, but more likely. |
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I would feel better off if I didn't see houses being built on every bit of available land to house the ever expanding population and if I could travel somewhere without being stuck in a traffic jam caused by too many vehicles because there's too many people now living here. Of course if we stay in it's only going to get worse because there are no plans to control the population and their needs.
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yeasty - our trade deficit with the EU is £8BN a month.
With net migration at 350k a year, rents can only go up. Wages must remain stagnant and strain on public services must increasse, leading to higher taxes. How can we possibly be better off in the EU? Personally I'm sick of all the financial talk. I'm more interested in the cultural and spiritual identity of this nation which is changing and will change forever. |
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And which NO-ONE voted for.
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You musn't say that Alun, it enriches our culture,i moved from East London 17 years ago,
and i really miss the culture, the pakistanis, bengalis, eastern europeans, Somalians & Africans, and not to forget the growing Muslim population, that really love our way of life and join in with every celebration, singing the national anthem, and all of them really eager to learn our culture and way of life... ![]() ![]() Don't know why i moved . |
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Anyone watching this afternoon's event at the Mall will be staggered to learn London is a multiracial and multicultural city.
The crowds of people celebrating the event are almost exclusively white. There is more Diversity amongst the BBC Studio pundits than in the crowd. What the hell is it all about? |
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It's the Royal family's fault,they are all hideously white,apparently.
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My lefty mate told me there is plenty of room in the UK to house the extras.
I pointed out that the extras are the same as the population of Cardiff - every year. What is up with these people? |
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Every application to build new homes in leafy suburbs meets planning objections fom the middle classes !
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As long as it doesn't effect them treetop.
Foreigners move to the Cities British people move to the towns. Foreigners move to the towns. British people move to the villages. Village people approach their council about new plans to build on their fields and lack of car parking space. Village people are the last in the queue but they will be effected eventually if they vote for the same. |
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"My lefty mate"
"What is up with these people" You answered your own question :) Brains the size of gerbils? ![]() |
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Marr has become a caricature of himself. An utter clown. Nige ran rings around him.
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I used to like marr, now I don't bother, very weak interviewer.
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Thanks to twizzle for the heads up. Excellent from Farage. He knows his onions.
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JC
They just won't admit there is a problem. Something deep inside is stopping them. Tribalism? cowardness? so It's not that they have brains the size of gerbils, it's that they have the stones the size of gerbils. ![]() |