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That's the question that's keeping me as a don't know.
There is a lot wrong with the EU, an awful lot. If there were a referendum today to join it in its current state I would vote "no".
But the vote is not whether I think the EU is sh1t or not: I do think it's sh1t. It's about whether you believe that it is so sh1t, so intractably and irrecoverably sh1t, that we should walk away.
You see I can't really remember any concerted attempts from anyone, from any country or alliance of countries to look to seriously reform it.
Why not? Why has that not happened. Why haven't we tried this in the UK first if we're so dissatisfied. Why couldn't that happen in the future, particularly with EU dissatisfaction polling so highly across so many countries.
I can't help feeling that this is the first course of action before we walk away forever. It feels a bit like dousing a car in petrol and setting on fire because the transmission and brakes are fecked.
Because if we vote to leave, we can't renege or rejoin; but if we vote to stay, try to reform and fail, we can still walk away later on.
I just don't see how such an extreme and permanent course of action can ever be the first step in registering dissatisfaction.
There is a lot wrong with the EU, an awful lot. If there were a referendum today to join it in its current state I would vote "no".
But the vote is not whether I think the EU is sh1t or not: I do think it's sh1t. It's about whether you believe that it is so sh1t, so intractably and irrecoverably sh1t, that we should walk away.
You see I can't really remember any concerted attempts from anyone, from any country or alliance of countries to look to seriously reform it.
Why not? Why has that not happened. Why haven't we tried this in the UK first if we're so dissatisfied. Why couldn't that happen in the future, particularly with EU dissatisfaction polling so highly across so many countries.
I can't help feeling that this is the first course of action before we walk away forever. It feels a bit like dousing a car in petrol and setting on fire because the transmission and brakes are fecked.
Because if we vote to leave, we can't renege or rejoin; but if we vote to stay, try to reform and fail, we can still walk away later on.
I just don't see how such an extreme and permanent course of action can ever be the first step in registering dissatisfaction.
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of course it is they have one goal which they intend to go for no matter what
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but who is they? we are part of them are we not?
somewhere along the lines we've developed this trench warfare, them and us attitude. it just seems we've resigned ourselves to having no say and no control without ever trying to wrest any. |
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The EU worked satisfactorily until the former communist east European countries were allowed to join.
The political elite failed to understand the impact free movement would have. |
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The car analogy, very good point. But if the transmission is shot, and head gasket has gone, you are looking at a wright off.
I think the eu has gone too far and is too corrupt, with too many self interests are at stake for them to change it. |
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write off !!!
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I think the eu has gone too far and is too corrupt, with too many self interests are at stake for them to change it.
i'm inclined to agree. but I just think you need to be SO sure of this, almost certain, before you choose to walk away. another analogy: it feels a bit like going all in with two pairs when i've got no idea what any of the other people in the pot have got. the other thing is that if the whole thing falls apart in the next 20 years, and this could feasibly happen, and we were still in it, we'd still be invited to the table to see what can be salvaged. We precipitate its collapse and we're the pariahs for the next five decades. |
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these quotes sum them up DStyle
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