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Third of middle classes too short of cash to pay a £500 bill
(From the Times)

One in three middle-class people could not pay an unexpected bill of £500 without resorting to borrowing, according to research showing the squeeze on household finances.
A poll for The Times illustrates the lack of disposable income for many British households as they try to square static wages with rising living costs.
Thirty-one per cent of middle-class voters — so-called ABC1s including professional, junior managerial and administrative workers — would struggle with a sudden bill of up to £500, the YouGov survey found. Forty-six per cent of manual workers and the unemployed, known as the C2DE category, would not be able to afford the bill.
Since the financial crisis wages have fallen by up to 10 per cent on some calculations when adjusted for inflation, with companies reluctant to offer staff generous pay rises while the recovery is fragile. According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), average disposable income recovered slightly last year to £30,900 but is still below the pre-downturn 2007 level of £31,600.
In the same period the cost of living has risen steadily, with bills for food and gas and transport fares all higher. Households with children have faced an average rise in the cost of living of 2.4 per cent each year over the past decade, according to the ONS.
The YouGov survey found that across all social classes 38 per cent would struggle with a £500 outlay. The poll found a smaller proportion in more severe difficulties, with 14 per cent saying that they could not pay an immediate bill of less than £100 without needing to borrow money. Among middle-class respondents, this figure was 11 per cent. ONS figures found that 48 per cent of households in Britain were in debt in April, excluding mortgages. The insurer Aviva suggested that the average debt stood at £13,520 at the beginning of the year, up from £9,520 last summer.
Torsten Bell, of the Resolution Foundation, a think tank that focuses on inequality, said: “While wages are at last rising, there is a long way to go to undo the damage of the large earnings falls seen during the crisis.”
The YouGov survey, in which 1,648 adults were questioned between May 16 and 17, also showed that women were less likely to have ready cash than men; those in the Midlands, Scotland and Wales were the hardest-pressed. The young would be hit worst if presented with a big bill, with 49 per cent of those aged 18 to 24 unable to pay, against 23 per cent of people aged over 65.
The survey also asked what people would do if presented with a bill for £300. Half said that they would pay from their current or savings accounts; 25 per cent that they would put it on their credit card but pay it off in full. Thirteen per cent said that they would put it on their credit card but pay it off over time; 9 per cent would borrow from a friend or family member. Three per cent said that they would use a bank loan or approved overdraft, but 1 per cent said that they would use a payday loan. Eight per cent said that they would not be able to meet the bill.
Analysis
Middle-class households were spared the harshest of the government’s austerity but they could not escape the collapse in living standards after the financial crisis (Philip Aldrick writes).
Between the end of 2009 and the end of 2014 wages rose more slowly than inflation, leaving households nearly 10 per cent poorer in real terms, according to the Resolution Foundation.
Tax credits and a recovery in employment cushioned the blow for those on less than £30,000 in 2008, analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies showed, but households on more than £30,000 were worse off. By last year, the IFS showed, those earning £50,000 in 2008 were 4 per cent poorer in real terms.
Incomes have been recovering over the past two years, even though wages are stuck at relatively low growth of 2 to 3 per cent. Disposable incomes for working-age households are on average still less than they were in 2008.

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By:
Des Pond
When: 07 Jun 16 13:13
The definition of middle cass has changed a lot though. When I was at school, middle class was doctors, lawyers, execs in leafy suburbs, Volvo and escort in drive etc. Nowadays anyone with an income and a laptop considers themselves as "middle class". I think of myself as working class, but I have a hell of a lot more money than most young "hipsters", or whatever they are called now!
By:
xmoneyx
When: 07 Jun 16 13:17
mortgage poor?
By:
Foinavon
When: 07 Jun 16 13:54
Don't most of us have more than that in our Betfair accounts? Confused
By:
ebulGery
When: 07 Jun 16 14:05
Welcome to the club....the poor are already skint. Our government have seen to that.

Still if people will vote the Tories in, get on with it.

The Tories are only concerned with the rich.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 07 Jun 16 16:15
this is why Wonga & ocean finance are thriving
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 16 16:20
Most of these people will be in that position because they didn't manage their money properly.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 07 Jun 16 16:20
I never see any of these people with a suit and a laptop go anywhere without a cup of designer coffee.
By:
Ramruma
When: 07 Jun 16 16:23
Cost of living has risen too -- mobile phones, internet, Sky telly.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Jun 16 16:30
There is something nice about being poor. The sight of derelict houses makes me happy.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Jun 16 16:35
even a new suit makes me unhappy.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Jun 16 16:37
the house i live in looks like a hovel, but i am happy to live there.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Jun 16 16:44
Why should i be what i am not, and not what i am?
That would be stupid.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Jun 16 16:45
It always surprise me that more people do not live on the streets.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Jun 16 16:46
Even if they have a fairly good job.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 07 Jun 16 16:47
Christ sakes, shut the fk up ranting lfc.  You are just posting every single inane thought that comes into your head.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Jun 16 16:48
Even if the street was dirty and cold, you see its like this. i would be happy to live there.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Jun 16 16:49
Why is being poor such a disgrace? i don`t know.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 07 Jun 16 16:54
rob_dylan


       rob_dylan   

07 Jun 16 16:47 

Christ sakes, shut the fk up ranting lfc

LoveExcited
By:
anxious
When: 07 Jun 16 17:01
If you keep voting for Thatcher spiv culture this is how you end up
By:
Zazu
When: 07 Jun 16 17:08
Stupid question

Anyone who classes themselves middle class should have no problem whatsoever putting £500 on their credit card. That would be 'borrowing' but credit cards and finance/pcp/loans arent exactly earth shattering to well off people in the 21St century
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 07 Jun 16 17:14
Not the spend spend spend culture of Blair and Brown?
By:
Just Checking
When: 07 Jun 16 17:18
Anxious just posts the same words on every thread, just in a different order.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Jun 16 17:26
Depends whether you're sticking it on plastic for convenience or because you don't actually have it in any other form, Zazu.

To be honest though, not being able to lay your hands on a monkey owing to the cost of your lifestyle is almost the definition of being middle class. If you're someone who always keeps a few quid in the building society while going without a designer coffee, then you're working class. That dread of genuine poverty with absolutely nothing to support you never goes away.

If you're upper class, then someone else takes care of the bill, thank you, even if an audit would show you don't actually have a pot to p1ss in.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 07 Jun 16 17:29
channel4 tonight 9PM

Rich Brother/Poor Brother

documentry
By:
themightymac
When: 07 Jun 16 17:34
Rich Man Poor Man was a classic TV Mini Series.
By:
Zazu
When: 07 Jun 16 17:36
Living on credit is fine as long as you don't become unemployed or take a pay cut

Only a mug would save for years to purchase a new car considering how attractive finance deals are.

I can lose £500 on a bet and not blink an eye but I'd still class myself as working class.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Jun 16 18:15
I don't think the article was about purchasing a new car on tick. More about the kind of people who feel they deserve a new car now, on tick if necessary, but who would then have to put any unexpected repairs on the slate too.
By:
anxious
When: 07 Jun 16 18:23
If you create and endorse the Rat Race don't be surprised to see vermin rise to the top
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 07 Jun 16 18:32
or in the middle and at the bottom
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 07 Jun 16 18:41
Only a mug would save for years to purchase a new car considering how attractive finance deals are.


This attitude is indicative of the debt problem.  Keeping up with the Jones's when you can't afford to.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 07 Jun 16 18:44
1.01 The biggest discretionary saving middle class people who haven't got any cash can make is on their motoring expenses.
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 16 20:32
lfc getting right up Rob's nose. Laugh
By:
Coachbuster
When: 07 Jun 16 21:01
call centre workers ,sec's and admin staff  are all working class fwiw  .
By:
Coachbuster
When: 07 Jun 16 21:02
as is 90% of the population
By:
ebulGery
When: 07 Jun 16 21:26
lfc1971  • June 7, 2016 4:30 PM BST
There is something nice about being poor. The sight of derelict houses makes me happy.


You are an amazingly well adjusted human being lfc1971, well doneHappy

I find it bloody awful to be poor myself, being rich would give me everything I want.

Sadly I grew old before I grew richSad.

When I was younger in the 1960/70's I was happy without being rich.

In hindsight I was wrong.
By:
Coachbuster
When: 07 Jun 16 21:48
Wealth  would be wasted on most folk  .
By:
xmoneyx
When: 07 Jun 16 22:32
I'd rather be miserable rich than miserable poor
By:
ebulGery
When: 07 Jun 16 23:09
lfc 1971 I was happy with my life, a job I liked my own flat,etc,

until I decided I would like a relationship with those "fiends from hell" also known as "women"

I lost everything I had, I never recoveredShocked.

Worst still, again too late, I have since discovered that women can be brought when needed on a pay as you go basis

but I no longer have the money to pay for what I would really like.Sad


You may not need money now lfc1971, but what about the future, you accrue a nice nest egg

learn from my failureCry


ps You are not required to believe everything I post
By:
ebulGery
When: 07 Jun 16 23:11
Very true xmoneyx, I can live with being rich and miserableLaugh
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