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17 May 16
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you can smell compensation from a mile away...
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Senior officers and a solicitor who were involved in the South Yorkshire Police response to Hillsborough and the so-called Battle of Orgreave can be named for the first time.
Peter Metcalf was involved in defending the force against unlawful arrest claims after the 1984 Orgreave clash. He also played a key role in reviewing statements after Hillsborough. Deputy Chief Constable Peter Hayes and Assistant Chief Constable Walter Jackson are connected to both cases. The officers, who were involved in a review of the evidence after Orgreave and have links to Hillsborough, have both denied any wrongdoing. Mr Metcalf did not wish to comment on Orgreave when approached by the BBC. About 10,000 strikers and 5,000 police officers clashed at Orgreave coking plant in June 1984. Mr Hayes ordered a review of the way evidence had been gathered about Orgreave and was later involved in co-ordinating the force's evidence after the disaster at the Sheffield stadium. Mr Jackson was given the job of reviewing the Orgreave evidence and was at Hillsborough to watch the FA Cup semi-final after signing off the policing plan. |
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Orgreave - just posting the correct spelling in case anyone is searching or interested
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I know most of them are retired now, but Orgreave AND Hillsborough wouldn't look good on the CV for one of those posh retirement jobs. Would it?
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TY Blackbarn....I should have checked it
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Next subject : EU
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No Leopard, stick with this story, it is a good one, worthy of long debate.
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Yes...can still keep that going aswell.
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Third Subject : Mao Zedong
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The luvvies still sobbing about the failed miners strike and their inability to remove an elected government? Shame. The miners behaved appallingly both in that strike and in previous ones where they bullied their way to getting what they wanted. At Orgreave they got some back. Boo hoo.
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Are they going to return to that story they covered a few weeks ago which concerned the 'cultural appropriation' of Justin Bieber's haircut?
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'Newsnight' hasn't covered any 'Trans' story in a while either. Is Frank Baloney now little more than last year's fab rave?
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Fourth Subject : psilocybin used medically
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Fifth (dog on a skateboard) subject : Cooking
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Eeternaloptimist - Whatever you think about either event, don't you think that personel and policy links between the two events are worthy of some debate and discussion.?
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A mussel escaped !
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Jung Chang wrote Wild Swans : the biggest grossing non-fiction paperback in publishing history, it sold more than 10m copies worldwide and was translated into 30 languages. It wasn't just a popular success appealing mainly to women (as is sometimes sniffily assumed), it was also acclaimed by literary heavyweights such as Martin Amis and JG Ballard.
Published two years after the 1989 demonstrations in Tiananmen Square, Jung Chang's family memoir, following the lives of three generations of women through China's terrible 20th century, arrived at just the right time to satisfy a readership hungry for information about this unknown country. For many in the west, Wild Swans was their first real insight into life under the Chinese Communist party. Now, with her long-awaited second book co-written with her husband, the historian Jon Halliday, Chang aims to expose the true character of the man responsible for so much misery - Chairman Mao. "He was as evil as Hitler or Stalin, and did as much damage to mankind as they did," Chang says. "And yet the world knows astonishingly little about him." |
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Everything is worthy of discussion Blackbarn but context is important here. The miners had used sheer thuggery and brutality before to great effect and reduced an elected government to rubble. They were in the process of seeking to do so again. In normal circumstances how the police behaved would have been abominable. In the context of the fight for democracy and the rule of law some would argue they needed to fight fire with fire. I'm not sure I agree but one thing I don't feel is sorry for the miners. Those who live by the knuckle duster..........
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After the strike the much reduced coal industry was privatised in December 1994, ultimately becoming UK Coal. While in 1983 Britain had 174 working mines, by 2009, the number had decreased to six. Poverty increased in former coal mining areas, and an EU study on deprivation in 1994 found that Grimethorpe in South Yorkshire was the poorest settlement in the country.[6] In 2013, the UK consumed 60 million tons of coal, of which 50 million tons were imported.[7]
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Tory Scum
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That doesn't tell us much though does it Leopard? How many cotton and woollen mills remain? How any great British car manufacturers? Coal like them became uneconomic when placed against foreign competition.Nobody gets dewy eyed about them so why the miners? Because people like Hanks enjoyed the thought that they could bring down Tory governments and when a Tory government faced them down people like Hanks wept. Good.
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The vermin of the earth , it took the army , the police and the right wing media all now discredited and corrupt to starve working men and their families and their communities into submission.
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It's your prerogative Hanks but I would have referred to the miners as vermin. They were ordinary people who got a bit too big for their boots who were led by a fool who wanted to bring down the government. He picked a fight and got battered. Too bad.
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wouldn't have.
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You really have scraped the barrel calling the miners vermin, you would not have the guts to say it to one of them to their face because they would launch a two faced balloon like yourself from one end of the pennines straight into the north sea you bellend
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Two points there Hanks. Firstly I didn't call the miners vermin. I made a point of saying I wouldn't have called them vermin. Secondly I met quite a few miners and played both football and rugby against them. They were men. Not supermen.
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interesting point made on tv yesterday that for years after the struikes ,police stopped taking everyday criminal cases to court if it involved the word of a policemen against the defendandts word, becauses jurys in mining towns and villages had made their minds up about the police and were acuitting defendants in their droves,wonder if a similar situation arises now when cases involving south yorks ploice go to court,after the hillsborough inquest verdict
after orgreave,hillsbrough,saville,possible commons cover ups the jury system in this country might well become untenable |
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The Nottinghamshire Miners were indeed very brave. They and their families faced intimidation and death threats but with enormous courage continued going to work in defiance of the insane Strike Without A Ballot.
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Scabs and Traitors
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Ch4 now
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so many times this south yorkshire police crop up!
but if you want your way you fit people up if you want to maintain the control of capital then you FIX IT |