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06 May 16
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Donald Trump has waded into the Brexit debate by stating that Britain would be better off outside the European Union.
The Republican presidential front-runner, stated that "migration has been a horrible thing for Europe" and that Britain should leave.
He has previously refused to offer an opinion either way on whether Britain should vote to leave the EU in the June 23 referendum.
However, he said on Thursday night: "I think the migration has been a horrible thing for Europe. A lot of that was pushed by the EU.
"I would say that they're better off without it personally, but I'm not making that as a recommendation - just my feeling ... I would say that they're better off without it, but I want them to make their own decision."
Of course Trump may not be President after the elections in November. That much may be true. We know that Obama won't be President going forward.
I look forward to comments especially from those still trying to remove their tongues from Obama's backside.
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People need to get over the immigration thing with Brexit, numbers would not change drastically, look at those that are out but have to comply with the EU. Norway. I want out of it too but more so on the business front, they really do stifle the growth of small businesses with their endless red tape.
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The achiles heel of Brexit is nobody can truly articulate exactly what we will have post Brexit. Despite the European Union being profoundly anti democracy and quite wicked in some ways that is the one thing which may see us stay in.
If the vote is for out our politicians simply couldn't in good conscience sign up to anything which sees the free movement principle remain because that will be a major factor in any vote to leave. Taking back control of our borders means exactly that. |
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Taking back control of our borders means exactly that.
Any country that has any sense does that in my opinion Well I like Trump, I hope the Americans vote for him |
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I suppose he has to be against uncontrolled immigration since he is going to build a wall to keep the Hispanics out
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Our country has given away it's Britishness that is very sad
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Labour want to give us away to Europe, the Tories to give us away to the United States, we have been giving ourselves
away to Commonwealth for years, we don't seem to like ourselves very much. Most is for short term economic gain, we never look long term, it does not surprise me the state we have got ourselves in. |
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You make us seem like a cheap hooker ebul. I'm feeling all dirty.
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The day before yesterday, Trump promised America they were "going to start winning." Yesterday, he identified his first potential target, Britain isolated outside of the EU.
In the jungle of trade-agreements, Brexit would make Britain the ultimate "low hanging fruit." |
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Imo on average, the lower IQ you have, the more you rely on bluster and populism, and the less open you are, the more likely you are to vote to leave. For me that makes the decision to vote to stay easy. I don't need to look at supposed facts or reasons as I recognise I'm not in a position or anywhere mnear knowledgeable enough to make a decision. If I spent 10 years full time, dedicating my life to whether we should stay or leave then I would but I haven't. I just need to look at who wants us to leave... Farage, Boris, Bernie Ecclestone, Trump. Egotists, fantasists and blusterheads. Then I look at the markets. Voting to leave is a gamble. If you have uncertainty, you want on average, reward. The financial markets say on average you are going to lose. If I want a gamble, I want on average to win. And that is why the country will vote (sensibly I think) to stay.
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That is a cogent fair summary, Clydebank.
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So basically the more stupid you are the more likely you are to vote leave.
People fear change/risk so they will vote for remain. The mistake is in thinking that by staying in there is no risk/change when there certainly is because you are not voting for the Status Quo. Look how far we have come since the Eu was just the Common Market then think where will be be in 10-20 years time and how much control will we have over that change. I prefer to have more control over my own destiny and believe that the EU is a flawed concept doomed to end in tears. However there is an inevitability to all of this because so many of the worlds big players would benefit from Britain staying in. |
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Some very good points made here,as an outsider I believe the uk would prosper outside the eu,as it has the size and strength to do so. A country such as Ireland would not be able to survive outside the eu.
Thr feeling of national identity which has been lost over the decades, would probably be reinvigorated by a departure from the union. There are pros and cons,but overall I think britain would be better off outside looking in.The usual hysteria and scare mongering are just that,the changes would not be as great as are being hyped up at the moment,and from a british point of view your average citizen would be better off in the long term, if brexit wins the day. |
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I don't have control over my political destiny and won't have whether we stay or leave. I have only one vote in 50 million over my political destiny, so I am not handing over any meaningful control.
As far as my economic beliefs go, I believe wealth and lifestyle is created by producing and selling goods and services. I believe that is likely to be easier if we remain in the EU. Pensions, healthcare, housing and infrastructure is all paid for by our businesses being successful. |
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Of course, it's going to be easier, as it makes no sense at all that it would be harder. What I would have no idea over is how much harder it will be if we leave, and what quantifiable benefits there would be to offset it. Control is not an issue at all imo.
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Pensions, healthcare, housing and infrastructure is all paid for by our businesses being successful.
So if you want to share all the wealth that the UK can create with the less successful countries in the EU of which there are many. Then vote to stay. It's socialism by the back door. And it's the UK who are one of the countries footing the bill. The EU don't want us in the union for what they can give to the UK, they want us to remain for what we can give to them. |
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bluster
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^^You're simply burying your head in the sand.
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The aim of the EU is to make the UK simply another state in the union.
You should know that. |
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Its depressing reading CLYDEBANK29s posts
For craven servility they win the watch. The man has no soul,no idea of history or culture. On economics alone you should leave but forget the economics for awhile. Just go on history,ye are one of the oldest democracies in the world,indeed famous for spreading democracy yet a craven selfish elite are prepared to trade that for big business and multinationals. Get your confidence back ye are well capable of ruling yourselves. |
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more bluster
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I've got a strong feeling that CLYDBANK29 hasn't got much idea what he is talking about.
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Or CLYDEBANK29 either.
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Hungary used to be the best football team in the world. It's not relevant. Different world then. I'd say you are likely burying your head in the sand if you live in the past.
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If bluster fails.... next step is to throw toys out of pram.
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CLYDEBANK29 doesn't come back with a lot once he's been challenged does he?
He soon falls back on other stuff to get him out the mire. |
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As soon as wildmanfromborneo has a go at someone I automatically think they have made a decent post
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Thanks for sharing that with us fife.
Is that why wildman ignores all of your stuff? |
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Best to ignore what Scots like Clydebank have to say on this topic. They have their own agenda and its not hard to work out what it is.
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The EU was a workable concept up until the Iron Curtain came down.
Such was the urge to rub Russia's nose in it by accepting the eastern bloc countries, scant regard was given to the consequences of allowing free movement. The results are there for all to see. |
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That is the difference between posters who have left leaning views with a couple of exceptions they don't make abusive comments whereas the right as this thread proves insult anyone who does not agree with their views.
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Clyde - you mention possible market uncertainty following Brexit.
Just a few years ago the FTSE dipped below 5000 whilst we were of course in the EU. It then went over 7000. It's now 6000. We're in a global market and the FTSE is affected more by America and Japan as it is by Greece and Romania.. |
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I can understand how the people of countries that are used to being controlled by foreign powers eg Scotland will readily accept rule from Brussels but the English have little experince of this and so are more reluctant to tolerate it.
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A bit of a history lesson.... The Romans conquered England, but they couldn't tame the Celts.
Scotland's took England to the cleaners too... Scotland wins versus England and Wales. Northern Ireland does best. Average UK per capita spend on "geographically identifiable" things is £8,788. England is 3% less, Scotland 16% more (a 19% differential with Scotland), Wales 10% more and NI 24% more. That is just the basic numbers. and that was before the Independence referendum where the Scots bagged an even better deal. England like a desperate spouse agreeing to their wife's demands just so she'll stay. |
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Surely khan getting in as nightmare of London will boost Trump votes when
he uses it as an awful experiment gone wrong & warning to the undecided USA voters |
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Yeah, what a cringeing bunch you Scots are, Clydebank. Said No to indepedendance, yes to having every decision in Westminster hinging on "What's in it for Scotland," I loved that Cameron had a majority without blackmail.
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Scotland didn't have the courage to go it alone, a lot bluster, but not much courage.
On Brexit, it's true it does have some unfortunate faces fronting the out campaign, if Trump really wanted a Brexit he should have said he wanted Britain to remain. |
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I beg you to accept that there is no people on Earth who would not prefer their own bad government to the good government of an alien power.
Mind you- when Ghandi spoke these words he did not fully understand the Scots ! Democracy ? then Brexit |
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For the stupid non rich people voting to stay in the EU, i hope they have some rope and shovels handy.
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Clydebank claims this is an issue he would spend 10 years thinking about, but is he being honest and is it so difficult?
No is the answer to that for Scots like Clydebank. This topic like almost all others can be simplified. If somewhere in the most primitive corners of his brain a policy, almost any policy, can seem to him to be in any way against Britains, or even better Englands interest then he will be for it And if something can be seen to strengthen Britain and be in Englands interest then he will be against it. Everything is seen through that prism, once England was great and powerful and they could not forgive that. |