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John Mann MP calling Ken a Nazi must be a codeword for all the Blairites
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Check Daily Politics (iplayer) had Ken on trying to defend himself.
People in the public eye should stop saying and writing stuff. It's the main way they lose their jobs.
Livingstones gone a touch senile,dont know why the tv companies still desperate to get his views.when he was on andrew neils late night programme a few weeks back he was truly an embarrassment.
You can almost hear his ringpiece twitching as Andrew Neil gives him a grilling.
Red Ken is finnish.
Red Ken is finnish.
ironically, the furore and suspension has ended up making Ken's point more firmly that he ever could.
Andrew Neil had him on the rack today.
Hardly flinched after 25 minutes of well prepared questioning and evidence, then an attack from Clegg, and another from John Mann.
He finished as relaxed as he started without a trace of emotion.
You see few politicians with thicker skin than Ken.
Hardly flinched after 25 minutes of well prepared questioning and evidence, then an attack from Clegg, and another from John Mann.
He finished as relaxed as he started without a trace of emotion.
You see few politicians with thicker skin than Ken.
the wonderful thing about having principles is that you don't have to keep remembering what you should be saying, and you contradict yourself.
Liam O'Hare @Liam_O_Hare · 13m13 minutes ago
The Jewish Socialists' Group say that accusations anti-Semitism are being "weaponised" to attack Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.
The Jewish Socialists' Group say that accusations anti-Semitism are being "weaponised" to attack Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.
Ken has always been a nutjob for ages but it looks like he has been forced to take a bullet so they can save the asian bird, which was clearly described on newsnight last night. Everyone from the left tried to defend her.
.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/04/29/what-is-anti-semitism-a-quiz-...
She's not white so can't be prejudiced, everyone knows that.
Look at the clash thread : Vietnamse people persecuting and killing kids with american fathers.
Who is the anger directed at? The people doing the persecuting and killing? No : America. Classic left wing thinking.
Look at the clash thread : Vietnamse people persecuting and killing kids with american fathers.
Who is the anger directed at? The people doing the persecuting and killing? No : America. Classic left wing thinking.
The results are:
Someone spreads themselves on a sword, the asian survives.
Problems if the world dig up jeremy.
Someone spreads themselves on a sword, the asian survives.
Problems if the world dig up jeremy.
Ken maintains he spoke the truth regarding Hitler's original intention to deport. Ken's mistake was in not realising that people aren't interested in hearing the truth, if that was what it was, they just have a knee-jerk reaction.
Ken maintains he spoke the truth regarding Hitler's original intention to deport. Ken's mistake was in not realising that people aren't interested in hearing the truth, if that was what it was, they just have a knee-jerk reaction.
I would agree with that foinavon
and is defending Hitler's good points...he did not have a lot, anti semitism anyway?
As an experienced politiciam though, he should know standing up For Adolf was never going to go down well
still perhaps he just wanted publicity..some people maintain any publicity, even bad, is better than none
Well, I wouldn't think that was one of Hitler's good points even if he had any.
Lord Sugar, ex-market trader, the man did well for himself.
Lord Sugar, ex-market trader, the man did well for himself.
Livingstone wasn't standing up for Hitler.
Livingstone was simply trying to explain the difference between a Zionist and an anti-Semite.
He said that Hitler could be called a Zionist because at one stage he was in favour of the Jews having their own country. That makes Hitler a Zionist.
While at the same time Hitler was a practising anti-Semite.
No wonder Livingstone got himself into trouble when people can't even understand that.
Livingstone was simply trying to explain the difference between a Zionist and an anti-Semite.
He said that Hitler could be called a Zionist because at one stage he was in favour of the Jews having their own country. That makes Hitler a Zionist.
While at the same time Hitler was a practising anti-Semite.
No wonder Livingstone got himself into trouble when people can't even understand that.
Ken will ride this one out. He knows where all the bodies are buried so won't be under too much pressure from certain quarters.
Livingstone was simply using Hitler as an example to show that an anti-Zionist is not the same as an anti-Semite.
Hitler on a Jewish state in Palestine (taken from Mein Kampf):
“While the Zionists try to make the rest of the World believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindler, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks."
And you think Hitler was a Zionist?
“While the Zionists try to make the rest of the World believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindler, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks."
And you think Hitler was a Zionist?
Nick, that extract shows he was anti-semitic, something never in doubt.
Happy Passover, btw to any Jewish forumites.Happy
Seconded
Seconded
It is fair to say Hitler was anti Semitic
I am not ant Semitic but have always been anti Zionist myself
Not that anything will change now.
I am not ant Semitic but have always been anti Zionist myself
Not that anything will change now.
Scratch the surface of an anti-Zionist and you'll usually find an anti-Semite underneath.
Some astute points in this article.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/04/30/jeremy-corbyn-cant-solve-labours-anti-zionist-problem-he-is-the/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/04/30/jeremy-corbyn-cant-solve-labours-anti-zionist-problem-he-is-the/
livingstone is a fake lefty hypocrite , mouthy two bob sickbag that will align himself with anything and anyone to further his career and put a shilling in his dirty grubby paw .
get him to fook ,should have been hounded out years ago but such was the sleaze of b liar mandy and co it made him look viable .
horrible treacherous douche bag that should never have been within a hundred miles of parliment,no wonder the left if broken ,not difficult to see why .
get him to fook ,should have been hounded out years ago but such was the sleaze of b liar mandy and co it made him look viable .
horrible treacherous douche bag that should never have been within a hundred miles of parliment,no wonder the left if broken ,not difficult to see why .
Good article that JustChecking. Another very good piece here -
'How the Labour Party embraced an ideology that has race hate at its heart'
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/29/how-the-labour-party-embraced-an-ideology-that-has-race-hate-at/
'How the Labour Party embraced an ideology that has race hate at its heart'
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/29/how-the-labour-party-embraced-an-ideology-that-has-race-hate-at/
You see few politicians with thicker skin than Ken.
lizard-like ?
lizard-like ?
Also from the link two posts above from HH Sultan Vinegar.
One of our two main parties has adopted, almost without thinking about it, an ideology of which race hate is an intrinsic part. This has never happened before in Britain.
And that from a party and its supporters whose knee jerk reaction to anyone who might suggest that mass immigration might not be a good idea is to call them a racist
One of our two main parties has adopted, almost without thinking about it, an ideology of which race hate is an intrinsic part. This has never happened before in Britain.
And that from a party and its supporters whose knee jerk reaction to anyone who might suggest that mass immigration might not be a good idea is to call them a racist
Dr Crippen • April 30, 2016 2:14 PM BST
Scratch the surface of an anti-Zionist and you'll usually find an anti-Semite underneath.
That is not universally true....I quite like the Jews.
But I do not believe Israel has a right to exist.
I do not see a contradiction.
For the simple reason anti-Zionism and ant-Semitism are not the same thing
Scratch the surface of an anti-Zionist and you'll usually find an anti-Semite underneath.
That is not universally true....I quite like the Jews.
But I do not believe Israel has a right to exist.
I do not see a contradiction.
For the simple reason anti-Zionism and ant-Semitism are not the same thing
“The Haavara Agreement was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.
The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany.
The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine.
While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.
The agreement was controversial at the time, and was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement and outside it.
Hitler’s own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s.
Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.”
Ken was right
The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany.
The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine.
While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.
The agreement was controversial at the time, and was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement and outside it.
Hitler’s own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s.
Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.”
Ken was right
FFS: Hitler wasn't a "zionist" he just wanted all jews out of anywhere he controlled.
The difference is massive. It's the difference between positive and negative, they are polar opposites.
This isn't news, the idea of transitioning from "getting rid of them by moving them to we don't give a f*ck" to "let's just kill them" was a later transition, this is established fact.
It's interesting you quote (from wiki of course) 1933. Have you ever heard of anne frank? Probably.
Did you know that her family was actually German not dDutch, most people don't. And that they like many others fled Germany in 33/34, the exact year you quote, because it was obvious then what was coming from that great benevolent "zionist" Hitler?
I am so sick of the left defending their own bigotry.
The difference is massive. It's the difference between positive and negative, they are polar opposites.
This isn't news, the idea of transitioning from "getting rid of them by moving them to we don't give a f*ck" to "let's just kill them" was a later transition, this is established fact.
It's interesting you quote (from wiki of course) 1933. Have you ever heard of anne frank? Probably.
Did you know that her family was actually German not dDutch, most people don't. And that they like many others fled Germany in 33/34, the exact year you quote, because it was obvious then what was coming from that great benevolent "zionist" Hitler?
I am so sick of the left defending their own bigotry.
And re your wiki copy/paste, how many actually got any possesions back that they "temporarily gave up"? The lies told by the nazis were incredible. When they weren't confiscating things diredtly fom jews, they were lying to them to get them anyway.
lol the right wing redneck bar room bores quoting the torygraph to discredit the Labour Party, deary me knock me down with a feather
“The Haavara Agreement was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.
The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany.
The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine.
While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.
The agreement was controversial at the time, and was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement and outside it.
Hitler’s own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s.
Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.”
This is the language of the Hitler and Nazi apologists. The German Jews wouldn't have had much of a choice. Pretty much from day one of Hitler's regime, Jews were second class citizens. They were banned from public office, banking, the media...
Just Checking is right. I don't know about their possessions but it was stated Nazi policy not to allow Jews to take any money with them to Palestine.
The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany.
The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine.
While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.
The agreement was controversial at the time, and was criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement and outside it.
Hitler’s own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s.
Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.”
This is the language of the Hitler and Nazi apologists. The German Jews wouldn't have had much of a choice. Pretty much from day one of Hitler's regime, Jews were second class citizens. They were banned from public office, banking, the media...
Just Checking is right. I don't know about their possessions but it was stated Nazi policy not to allow Jews to take any money with them to Palestine.
Dr Crippen 30 Apr 16 14:14
Scratch the surface of an anti-Zionist and you'll usually find an anti-Semite underneath.
Absolutely spot on
For the frankly totally clueless ebulgery, have you heard of " the final Solution " well that had not been thought up at the time hitler wanted to ship the Jews off to a far away land.
Scratch the surface of an anti-Zionist and you'll usually find an anti-Semite underneath.
Absolutely spot on
For the frankly totally clueless ebulgery, have you heard of " the final Solution " well that had not been thought up at the time hitler wanted to ship the Jews off to a far away land.
From the Guardian
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/apr/30/labour-antisemitism-ken-livingstone-george-galloway?CMP=twt_gu
..."It is astonishing that you have to, but you must learn the worst of leftwing history now. For Labour is not just led by dirty men but by dirty old men, with roots in the contaminated soil of Marxist totalitarianism. If it is to change, its leaders will either have to change their minds or be thrown out of office.
Put like this, the tasks facing Labour moderates seem impossible. They have to be attempted, however, for moral as much as electoral reasons.
Allow me to state the moral argument as baldly as I can. Not just in Paris, but in Marseille, Copenhagen and Brussels, fascistic reactionaries are murdering Jews – once again. Go to any British synagogue or Jewish school and you will see police officers and volunteers guarding them. I do not want to tempt fate, but if British Jews were murdered, the leader of the Labour party would not be welcome at their memorial. The mourners would point to the exit and ask him to leave.
If it is incredible that we have reached this pass, it is also intolerable."
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/apr/30/labour-antisemitism-ken-livingstone-george-galloway?CMP=twt_gu
..."It is astonishing that you have to, but you must learn the worst of leftwing history now. For Labour is not just led by dirty men but by dirty old men, with roots in the contaminated soil of Marxist totalitarianism. If it is to change, its leaders will either have to change their minds or be thrown out of office.
Put like this, the tasks facing Labour moderates seem impossible. They have to be attempted, however, for moral as much as electoral reasons.
Allow me to state the moral argument as baldly as I can. Not just in Paris, but in Marseille, Copenhagen and Brussels, fascistic reactionaries are murdering Jews – once again. Go to any British synagogue or Jewish school and you will see police officers and volunteers guarding them. I do not want to tempt fate, but if British Jews were murdered, the leader of the Labour party would not be welcome at their memorial. The mourners would point to the exit and ask him to leave.
If it is incredible that we have reached this pass, it is also intolerable."
Bit unfortunate re the 'dirty old men' part considering Corbyn's nick name 
not a fan of Red Ken - but I do remember a few pre war films - leslie howard and charters/caldicott and the like? Hitler was expelling the jews. If they had the cash to bribe their way out.
He changed his mind quick though and turned on the gas.Don't know if he wanted a Jewish Nation? Sounds like that might make Hitler's head rotate.
Ken has always been vocally pro Palestine.
That's just stupid - the people who have the land.... have the land. Until they don't.
Tell the Norman's to give the land back to the picts. Tell Henry the eighth to give the French back their lands. It's dream politics.
This scandal is very near the London Mayor election - RED KEN was a labour mayor. It's his only claim to fame. So Put mud on Ken, sticks to labour. Tory votes for mayor go up.
He changed his mind quick though and turned on the gas.Don't know if he wanted a Jewish Nation? Sounds like that might make Hitler's head rotate.
Ken has always been vocally pro Palestine.
That's just stupid - the people who have the land.... have the land. Until they don't.
Tell the Norman's to give the land back to the picts. Tell Henry the eighth to give the French back their lands. It's dream politics.
This scandal is very near the London Mayor election - RED KEN was a labour mayor. It's his only claim to fame. So Put mud on Ken, sticks to labour. Tory votes for mayor go up.
Some of see the terrible suffering and cost in human life that has resulted from the creation of Israel.
This is where our sympathies lie...a human being is a human being
I fully understand the Jews desire for their homeland, I would if I was Jewish, but that does not make it right.
They were gone too long, it was somebody else's country not theirs.
I see a devil's pact between Israel and the United States.
I agree with Trump I want to see more neutrality from the United States.
This is where our sympathies lie...a human being is a human being
I fully understand the Jews desire for their homeland, I would if I was Jewish, but that does not make it right.
They were gone too long, it was somebody else's country not theirs.
I see a devil's pact between Israel and the United States.
I agree with Trump I want to see more neutrality from the United States.
i see a devil's pact between Israel and the USA?
If anything it was God's plan to bring the Jews back to their land. I say their land? If you believe the bible it was given to them by God forever. God's Promise. If you leave your house for any length of time, it's still your house. You have the deed. They are the only people on the planet that have a deed from the owner of everything.
If anything it was God's plan to bring the Jews back to their land. I say their land? If you believe the bible it was given to them by God forever. God's Promise. If you leave your house for any length of time, it's still your house. You have the deed. They are the only people on the planet that have a deed from the owner of everything.
ebul - I would refer you to my post yesterday (quote by Hitler from Mein Kampf).
Also (from Wiki):
During the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine, ties were made between the Arab leadership in Palestine and the Nazi movement in Germany.[32] These connections led to cooperation between the Palestinian national movement and the Axis powers later on during World War II.[32] In May 1941 Amin al-Husayni issued a fatwa for a holy war against Britain. In 1941 during a meeting with Adolf Hitler Amin al-Husayni asked Germany to oppose, as part of the Arab struggle for independence, the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine.[33] He received a promise from Hitler that Germany would eliminate the existing Jewish foundations in Palestine after the Germans had gained victory in the war.[34] During the war Amin al-Husayni joined the Nazis, serving with the Waffen SS in Bosnia and Yugoslavia.[21] In addition, during the war a joint Palestinian-Nazi military operation was held in the region of Palestine.
Also (from Wiki):
During the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine, ties were made between the Arab leadership in Palestine and the Nazi movement in Germany.[32] These connections led to cooperation between the Palestinian national movement and the Axis powers later on during World War II.[32] In May 1941 Amin al-Husayni issued a fatwa for a holy war against Britain. In 1941 during a meeting with Adolf Hitler Amin al-Husayni asked Germany to oppose, as part of the Arab struggle for independence, the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine.[33] He received a promise from Hitler that Germany would eliminate the existing Jewish foundations in Palestine after the Germans had gained victory in the war.[34] During the war Amin al-Husayni joined the Nazis, serving with the Waffen SS in Bosnia and Yugoslavia.[21] In addition, during the war a joint Palestinian-Nazi military operation was held in the region of Palestine.
zorrostrikes • May 1, 2016 12:32 PM BST
i see a devil's pact between Israel and the USA?
If anything it was God's plan to bring the Jews back to their land. I say their land? If you believe the bible it was given to them by God forever. God's Promise. If you leave your house for any length of time, it's still your house. You have the deed. They are the only people on the planet that have a deed from the owner of everything.
If you leave your house for nigh on 2000 years you might find it is not yours.
So Israel has a right to exist because it says so in the Bible.
.and we claim the Muslims are religious nutters.
I have not read the Quran, never will, perhaps it says Palestine belongs to them.????????
We liberated the area from the Ottoman Turks in 1918, it should have been handed over to those that lived there
80% Palestinian Arabs
10% Jews
10% Christians
Instead we stayed and decided to set up Israel. Can you imagine what it did the Palestinian Arabs they were helpless
in their own country and had to watch while we British Jewish immigration, and half of their country was going to be handed over to the Jews
In 1936 - 1939 the Palestinians Arabs tried to revolt but were defeated.
My sympathy is with the Palestinians Arabs it always will be.
I thought that was a good idea all Israel's Jews go and live in the United States.
Sadly that wont happen. I accept Israel exists as a fact. I have urged the Palestinian Arabs to accept this.
I would like to see peace throughout the Middle East
i see a devil's pact between Israel and the USA?
If anything it was God's plan to bring the Jews back to their land. I say their land? If you believe the bible it was given to them by God forever. God's Promise. If you leave your house for any length of time, it's still your house. You have the deed. They are the only people on the planet that have a deed from the owner of everything.
If you leave your house for nigh on 2000 years you might find it is not yours.
So Israel has a right to exist because it says so in the Bible.
.and we claim the Muslims are religious nutters.I have not read the Quran, never will, perhaps it says Palestine belongs to them.????????
We liberated the area from the Ottoman Turks in 1918, it should have been handed over to those that lived there
80% Palestinian Arabs
10% Jews
10% Christians
Instead we stayed and decided to set up Israel. Can you imagine what it did the Palestinian Arabs they were helpless
in their own country and had to watch while we British Jewish immigration, and half of their country was going to be handed over to the Jews
In 1936 - 1939 the Palestinians Arabs tried to revolt but were defeated.
My sympathy is with the Palestinians Arabs it always will be.
I thought that was a good idea all Israel's Jews go and live in the United States.
Sadly that wont happen. I accept Israel exists as a fact. I have urged the Palestinian Arabs to accept this.
I would like to see peace throughout the Middle East
ebulGery 01 May 16 14:02
I thought that was a good idea all Israel's Jews go and live in the United States.
You truly are a total nutjob & really I need a slap round the face for even replying to your inane ramblings.
I thought that was a good idea all Israel's Jews go and live in the United States.
You truly are a total nutjob & really I need a slap round the face for even replying to your inane ramblings.
I have an opinion...you disagree fine pumphol, so why call me names?
As I keep saying anti Zionism is not anti Semitism, although I see it is being used the Tories to discredit Labour.
As I keep saying anti Zionism is not anti Semitism, although I see it is being used the Tories to discredit Labour.
It is a mistake to think that Israels jews should go to live in America, for one simple reason.
America is a christian country and the jewish people know they would not be safe.
It would be a mistake for Israels jews to go and live in Russia, or Holland, or Britain or any muslim country anywhere on the earth.
Now they have a shared piece of land, and everyone in Israel is an equal citizen. They must never give up this safe haven.
America is a christian country and the jewish people know they would not be safe.
It would be a mistake for Israels jews to go and live in Russia, or Holland, or Britain or any muslim country anywhere on the earth.
Now they have a shared piece of land, and everyone in Israel is an equal citizen. They must never give up this safe haven.
Now you say what about the arab muslims. Well they have many countries were they can live in safety and peace, including Israel.
However make no mistake, the beginning and end of all things is that Israel must be and must always be a majority jewish homeland.
Until the nature of man changes.
Until the nature of man changes.
It is a beautiful thing to know, is it not. That no matter where you travel and live there is always somewhere that you can call home.
Where people are the same as you and share your values, and you can be safe.
Where people are the same as you and share your values, and you can be safe.
If we take Britain as an example, and the Labour pary. Or the tories. Or the millions of British citizens. Take a look around and would you trust them?
No, i can`t imagine doing that.
No, i can`t imagine doing that.
America is a christian country and the jewish people know they would not be safe.
well that is very sad, and I would hope they would feel safe here
I do not think we have Jewish discrimination here now.
It is nice to have somewhere we can call home, but I don't think we had to give them half of somebodies else's county.
We had no right to set up Israel.
It is an awful situation, but I must say what I think is right or not right, and you have the same right lfc1971.
well that is very sad, and I would hope they would feel safe here
I do not think we have Jewish discrimination here now.
It is nice to have somewhere we can call home, but I don't think we had to give them half of somebodies else's county.
We had no right to set up Israel.
It is an awful situation, but I must say what I think is right or not right, and you have the same right lfc1971.
Ebul you are putting too much importance on countries. They are almost a thing of the past and even now may no longer exist.
Do you consider yourself British and if you do why?
Should anyone consider themselves British, what does that mean.
It might be better to pretend you live in Japan or some other country.
Do you consider yourself British and if you do why?
Should anyone consider themselves British, what does that mean.
It might be better to pretend you live in Japan or some other country.
Seemingly it was just a slip of the tongue, easily done.
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Interesting point made by the editor of Jewish News on LBC. Prior to 1948 there were 100,000 Palestinian Arabs in the area of what today is Israel. Now there are 1.6 million.
In the surrounding Arab lands there were 900,000 Jews. Today, there are virtually none.
In the surrounding Arab lands there were 900,000 Jews. Today, there are virtually none.
The state of Israel was declared independent 68 years ago almost to the day (14 May 1948).
It's a bit rich now to say that it shouldn't exist.
It's a bit rich now to say that it shouldn't exist.
I am not shocked in the slightest that the Labour Party is now embroiled in an anti-Semitism scandal. The only thing which has surprised me is that it hadn’t happened sooner.
After all, the Labour Party has been captured by a bunch of hard Left middle class activists who have a visceral hatred of Israel.
These are the people who joined the Labour Party in their droves last summer, with the sole intent of voting for Jeremy Corbyn in the leadership contest.
At the time, a number of Labour Party grandees voiced their concerns about the huge influx of activists, but they were swept aside as ‘Blairite’ stooges who were opposed to the party shifting Leftwards.
The Blairites lost and the hard Left won with the election of Corbyn, and now Labour is reaping what it has sown, because they elected a leader who has dallied with Islamist organisations for a number of years.
For example, he is a known supporter of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood affiliate that terrorises Gaza.
Indeed, Corbyn once said that Hamas was ‘an organisation that is dedicated to the good of the Palestinian people and bringing about long term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region’.
Interestingly, the Hamas Charter, drawn up in 1988, states that ‘our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious’ and goes on to call for an ‘Islamic State’ of Palestine. Note that the struggle is not with the state of Israel, but with the Jews. Some peace, Mr Corbyn.
Corbyn is also known as a ‘friend’ of the Lebanon-based terrorist group Hezbollah, whose Deputy Leader Naim Qassem said: ‘The history of Jews has proven that, regardless of the Zionist proposal, they are a people who are evil in their ideas.’
Two years ago, Corbyn also signed a letter in support of CAGE, the Islamic ‘advocacy group’ run by former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Moazzam Begg. Last year the group famously described Jihadi John as ‘a beautiful young man’.
In 2014, the Jewish group the Community Security Trust warned the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust – who at the time were funding CAGE – of a number of anti-Semitic articles on CAGE’s website, including one that claimed the September 11 attacks in New York were an insurance scam organised by a Zionist billionaire.
Corbyn is also a leading supporter of the Trotskyite group, the Stop the War Coalition. He was the Chairman of Stop the War until he became the Labour leader. Last year Corbyn ignored the advice of many of his fellow Labour MPs and kept his engagement as the keynote speaker at the Stop the War Christmas dinner.
In recent years, Stop the War has had to delete articles from its website, which range from claims that the Jews control the banks, the media, the United States and even FIFA.
Its insinuation that somehow the horrendous Paris terrorist attacks were somehow justified by the West’s intervention in the Middle East even led to the resignation of the Green MP, Caroline Lucas, from its ranks. But not Corbyn.
In 2012, the Labour leader co-sponsored the visit to Britain and to Parliament of an Israel-based anti-Semitic extremist, Sheikh Raed Saleh, who claimed that Jews use the blood of gentile children to make their bread.
Corbyn is also a ‘good friend’ of radical preacher Ibrahim Hewitt, who believes that apostates should be killed and adulterers stoned to death.
As well as being the chairman of the Hamas-linked Interpal, Hewitt is also the ‘Senior Editor’ of the Middle East Monitor (MEMO), which has made anti-Semitic claims including that the Jews control Westminster.
Examples of Corbyn’s links to anti-Semitic organisations or individuals go on and on, and on again.
A fish rots from the head down, and the Labour Party’s problems with anti-Semitism are a perfect example of it.
After all, the Labour Party has been captured by a bunch of hard Left middle class activists who have a visceral hatred of Israel.
These are the people who joined the Labour Party in their droves last summer, with the sole intent of voting for Jeremy Corbyn in the leadership contest.
At the time, a number of Labour Party grandees voiced their concerns about the huge influx of activists, but they were swept aside as ‘Blairite’ stooges who were opposed to the party shifting Leftwards.
The Blairites lost and the hard Left won with the election of Corbyn, and now Labour is reaping what it has sown, because they elected a leader who has dallied with Islamist organisations for a number of years.
For example, he is a known supporter of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood affiliate that terrorises Gaza.
Indeed, Corbyn once said that Hamas was ‘an organisation that is dedicated to the good of the Palestinian people and bringing about long term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region’.
Interestingly, the Hamas Charter, drawn up in 1988, states that ‘our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious’ and goes on to call for an ‘Islamic State’ of Palestine. Note that the struggle is not with the state of Israel, but with the Jews. Some peace, Mr Corbyn.
Corbyn is also known as a ‘friend’ of the Lebanon-based terrorist group Hezbollah, whose Deputy Leader Naim Qassem said: ‘The history of Jews has proven that, regardless of the Zionist proposal, they are a people who are evil in their ideas.’
Two years ago, Corbyn also signed a letter in support of CAGE, the Islamic ‘advocacy group’ run by former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Moazzam Begg. Last year the group famously described Jihadi John as ‘a beautiful young man’.
In 2014, the Jewish group the Community Security Trust warned the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust – who at the time were funding CAGE – of a number of anti-Semitic articles on CAGE’s website, including one that claimed the September 11 attacks in New York were an insurance scam organised by a Zionist billionaire.
Corbyn is also a leading supporter of the Trotskyite group, the Stop the War Coalition. He was the Chairman of Stop the War until he became the Labour leader. Last year Corbyn ignored the advice of many of his fellow Labour MPs and kept his engagement as the keynote speaker at the Stop the War Christmas dinner.
In recent years, Stop the War has had to delete articles from its website, which range from claims that the Jews control the banks, the media, the United States and even FIFA.
Its insinuation that somehow the horrendous Paris terrorist attacks were somehow justified by the West’s intervention in the Middle East even led to the resignation of the Green MP, Caroline Lucas, from its ranks. But not Corbyn.
In 2012, the Labour leader co-sponsored the visit to Britain and to Parliament of an Israel-based anti-Semitic extremist, Sheikh Raed Saleh, who claimed that Jews use the blood of gentile children to make their bread.
Corbyn is also a ‘good friend’ of radical preacher Ibrahim Hewitt, who believes that apostates should be killed and adulterers stoned to death.
As well as being the chairman of the Hamas-linked Interpal, Hewitt is also the ‘Senior Editor’ of the Middle East Monitor (MEMO), which has made anti-Semitic claims including that the Jews control Westminster.
Examples of Corbyn’s links to anti-Semitic organisations or individuals go on and on, and on again.
A fish rots from the head down, and the Labour Party’s problems with anti-Semitism are a perfect example of it.
Foinavon • May 1, 2016 6:58 PM BST
The state of Israel was declared independent 68 years ago almost to the day (14 May 1948).
It's a bit rich now to say that it shouldn't exist.
Does the passage of time change the argument?
I think anti-Zionism is a perfectly valid belief, then and now.
We now live in a society where if a lie is repeated often enough it is believed.
Our views are being subtly changed over time.
People assuming anti Zionism = anti Semitism is an example.
My views have never changed from the 1960's, I liked them so I stick to them.
Also it is called the right of free speech.
The state of Israel was declared independent 68 years ago almost to the day (14 May 1948).
It's a bit rich now to say that it shouldn't exist.
Does the passage of time change the argument?
I think anti-Zionism is a perfectly valid belief, then and now.
We now live in a society where if a lie is repeated often enough it is believed.
Our views are being subtly changed over time.
People assuming anti Zionism = anti Semitism is an example.
My views have never changed from the 1960's, I liked them so I stick to them.
Also it is called the right of free speech.
I preferred our TV programs in the 1960's to those we have now.
Although I admit Sport looks better in HD colour than it did in black and white.
Although I admit Sport looks better in HD colour than it did in black and white.
So Ebulgery you would deport something like six and a half million people? How does that sound to you? Have you heard of "ethnic cleansing"? Most of the people living there weren't even born when the state was founded. So you would dispossess them and give the land and everything in it to others who were neither born there or born at the time it was founded?
What about all the other states in the Middle East which were drawn up as a result of 20th century wars, do they have a right to exist?
What about all the other states in the Middle East which were drawn up as a result of 20th century wars, do they have a right to exist?
Well all the Jewish people could move to the United States it is not unfeasible, I did not say anything about ethnic cleansing.
Other countries were drawn up in the Middle East by the League of Nations in 1923. Iraq was one, that has worked out very well.
Syria was originally administered by France, another winner there.
I do not believe the Jews will be going anywhere, but as a matter of justice I still believe we were wrong to create Israel.
I think it is important to say the truth as I see it.
Other countries were drawn up in the Middle East by the League of Nations in 1923. Iraq was one, that has worked out very well.
Syria was originally administered by France, another winner there.
I do not believe the Jews will be going anywhere, but as a matter of justice I still believe we were wrong to create Israel.
I think it is important to say the truth as I see it.
ebul - did you read my post from yesterday, 17:36?
You claim not to be anti-semitic but I have read rants from yourself on several occasions which could only be described as such.
You claim not to be anti-semitic but I have read rants from yourself on several occasions which could only be described as such.
Moving the Jews to the USA is a ridiculous suggestion.
Wouldn't it be easier to move the Palestinians to somewhere else?
Wouldn't it be easier to move the Palestinians to somewhere else?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-row-suspends-councillor-ilyas-aziz-facebook-posts-israel-us-jeremy-corbyn-a7009771.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-row-suspends-councillor-ilyas-aziz-facebook-posts-israel-us-jeremy-corbyn-a7009771.html
From the Daily Mirror now -
Labour Party "Jew-hatred" is cynical bid for Muslim vote
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/julie-burchill-labour-party-jew-7877106
Labour Party "Jew-hatred" is cynical bid for Muslim vote
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/julie-burchill-labour-party-jew-7877106
Dr Crippen • May 2, 2016 9:50 AM BST
Moving the Jews to the USA is a ridiculous suggestion.
Wouldn't it be easier to move the Palestinians to somewhere else?
The problem with that is that the country belongs to the Palestinians not the Jews...in my opinion
I_agree_with_nick
If you wish to see my posts as anti-Semitic that is your choice, from my point of view I am only pointing out an injustice
Moving the Jews to the USA is a ridiculous suggestion.
Wouldn't it be easier to move the Palestinians to somewhere else?
The problem with that is that the country belongs to the Palestinians not the Jews...in my opinion
I_agree_with_nick
If you wish to see my posts as anti-Semitic that is your choice, from my point of view I am only pointing out an injustice
HH Sultan Vinegar • May 2, 2016 1:08 PM BST
From the Daily Mirror now -
Labour Party "Jew-hatred" is cynical bid for Muslim vote
I do not think it is Jew Hatred, anti-Zionism is not ant-Semiticism
and Julie Burchill is very anti Muslim herself from that post, I do not consider that piece impartial myself
From the Daily Mirror now -
Labour Party "Jew-hatred" is cynical bid for Muslim vote
I do not think it is Jew Hatred, anti-Zionism is not ant-Semiticism
and Julie Burchill is very anti Muslim herself from that post, I do not consider that piece impartial myself
Wouldn't it be easier to move the Palestinians to somewhere else?
That wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
That wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
DR C - but it would certainly be a solution and benefit the Palestinians. Life in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is hardly a picnic.
ebulGery 01 May 16 14:02
If you leave your house for nigh on 2000 years you might find it is not yours.
Foinavon • May 1, 2016 6:58 PM BST
The state of Israel was declared independent 68 years ago almost to the day (14 May 1948).
It's a bit rich now to say that it shouldn't exist.
ebulGery 01 May 16 20:44
Does the passage of time change the argument?
A pleasingly duplicitous and most representative example of the Anti-Semetic levels of logic and historical understanding. Exquisite, in its blunderbuss audacity.
If you leave your house for nigh on 2000 years you might find it is not yours.
Foinavon • May 1, 2016 6:58 PM BST
The state of Israel was declared independent 68 years ago almost to the day (14 May 1948).
It's a bit rich now to say that it shouldn't exist.
ebulGery 01 May 16 20:44
Does the passage of time change the argument?
A pleasingly duplicitous and most representative example of the Anti-Semetic levels of logic and historical understanding. Exquisite, in its blunderbuss audacity.
Because some of us value truth, as we see it, does make me anti semetic
But perhaps I should say Israel should never have been created rather than not exist as an acknowledgement to the passage of time
But perhaps I should say Israel should never have been created rather than not exist as an acknowledgement to the passage of time
Apologies Dr Crippen if I took you too seriously
We are on the opposite side in politics, but I have forgiven you for what you did to your wife
We are on the opposite side in politics, but I have forgiven you for what you did to your wife
express says it was a friendly wave
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/592170/Truth-picture-Queen-Nazi-salute
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/592170/Truth-picture-Queen-Nazi-salute
xmoneyxThe Queen is on my side
pumphol. • May 3, 2016 11:03 AM BST
Truth sadly can easily be very selective when it suits
The truth is always the truth, but it can often depend on the view we take of it
I have my view, you have yours pumphol
Life in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is hardly a picnic.
Injera, it's a wonder they haven't started making a bee-line for the EU.
Perhaps nobody has told them about it yet.
Injera, it's a wonder they haven't started making a bee-line for the EU.
Perhaps nobody has told them about it yet.
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