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21 Apr 16
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Surely they need to change the law before they can overturn the verdict.
Or there is new evidence that she did consent. Neither look likely. |
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Evans to pay £7m over Virgin court case
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1437381/Evans-to-pay-7m-over-Virgin-court-case.html |
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Or is it an interpretation of the law anomaly?
Perhaps |
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*wrong link
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"Sometimes the complaints will be false"
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She said she couldnt walk or witnesses said she couldnt
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1127850/Surveillance-drunken-girl-allegedly-raped-Ched-Evans.html This says otherwise |
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There is one not blurred somewhere
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The Guardian says:
... three appeal judges on Thursday quashed the conviction after fresh evidence emerged. Details can not be reported for legal reasons. One imagines the new evidence will be presented at the retrial. |
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I believe this man was innocent...I hope he can finally clear his name and play again
What is left of his career |
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I was never one who went with the letter of the law on this one.
She couldn't remember if she consented or not but was not drugged. That casts a large net over weekend rompers if claims were made. |
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I always thought no evidence to charge him
got mocked by someone trying to find the thread saying i was a fkcing clown and it would never go back to court.I pointed out that if that was the case why would he be releases early without showing remorse? |
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released*
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Bad news for Evans. If he is found guilty again he will probably get 15 years this time.
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ebulGery
I believe this man was innocent...I hope he can finally clear his name and play again What is left of his career I agree with you Ebul. You were one of the few who believed his innocence and stuck to your guns despite an onslaught on here. |
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I suspect it will be retrial in all but name he will be found not guilty immediately and therefore he will be cleared as innocent.
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yep no way is she going in the dock again
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Bad news for Evans. If he is found guilty again he will probably get 15 years this time.
Given the comments by the judge, it's clear that there's some new evidence which casts serious doubts on the girl's claims, so given how iffy the case against him was originally, I'd be astonished if the result is another 'guilty'. CE is himself being pretty bullish in his comments, so I suspect he's pretty confident there'll be little case to answer. I remember how condescending the threads became on this issue. I participated briefly, but I remember EbulGery and Chaser and others continuing to state their case long after I'd given it up in exasperation. I wouldn't call him 'innocent' exactly, as it was a pretty unseemly setup, and hardly reflected well on any of the three people involved. Nonetheless, I wasn't at all happy with the idea that he should be convicted as a rapist and then jailed, based on essentially no evidence at all. And the suggestions by many celebrities that he should apologise was doubly annoying. Nobody - not even the girl herself - was able to refute Evans' claims that she did give consent, so it seemed strange that he should be forced to apologise when, morally, he may well have felt himself to be in the right. The girl didn't seem to be *that* drunk. She was sufficiently with it to be able to mouth off to the people in the kebab shop, and was also able to use her phone to send a coherent txt message to her friend - I'd struggle to do that even when sober! The taxi driver also suggested she was drunk but not ridiculously so. And we now have video showing her strolling around in the hotel unaided. Had she been comatose then I might be sympathetic, but that's hardly the case here. I appreciate that rape claims often come down to 'he said, she said'. Nonetheless, we shouldn't be convicting people of a very serious crime unless there's at least a modicum of evidence against them... |
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I wouldn't call him 'innocent' exactly,
British courts don't pass an innocent verdict anyway. |
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British courts don't pass an innocent verdict anyway.
When did I say they did? Everyone here is using the word, which is why I was vaguely questioning whether he should be described as such. It may well be that he's not guilty of the charges here, but he's hardly a paragon of virtue. |
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akabula • April 21, 2016 1:55 PM BST
ebulGery I believe this man was innocent...I hope he can finally clear his name and play again What is left of his career I agree with you Ebul. You were one of the few who believed his innocence and stuck to your guns despite an onslaught on here. Ta akabula  ...although it is not over yet, But I hope Ched is finally cleared, and gets back to playing football somewhere.I was not the only one. I would not even begin to defend Ched Evans morals, but that does not make him a rapist. I believe the women consented even though drunk and severely regretted it next day, not that she could remember it? Men and Women often have sex under the influence of alcohol and do regret it in the morning. But that does not make it rape |
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Well I wont bother defending him on that one, I just want the Rape conviction quashed
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Well, the reason why he won't ever be found 'innocent' is because many of us would disapprove of how he lives (or lived) his life. I rather suspect he couldn't give a toss about a few people looking down their noses at his behaviour - if he did care about such things, I doubt he'd have been the type to be rushing over to hotel rooms at 2 in the morning to see his mate's new bird. So the whole idea of 'innocent' or not is rather irrelevant to somebody like Ched Evans. On the substantive issue it looks like he's going to be cleared, and whether he wants to then carry on with his old dissolute ways will be up to him.
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Has evidence been missed by the police, and why was it missed. Anyone liable to lose their job for this, or even have a case to answer in court.
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Has evidence been missed by the police,
More than likely by his defence team. Depends if police/CPS gave them all or said they'd given them all the CCTV though. If it is the CCTV that is the new evidence. |
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Will he still be referred to by the papers as 'convicted rapist, Ched Evans'?
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Did the police have any additional evidence, CCTV or otherwise, that was withheld?
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What if anything was found by the private investigator and why was it not know before, or was it?
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A different jury is in my view unlikely to convict. I was surprised based on the testimony of both Evans and the other defendant that a jury could be sure beyond a reasonable doubt. Either both were lying that she said yeah when asked if he could join in or they were telling the truth and it would be hard to conclude that she couldn't consent. Nobody would think he behaved honourably or appropriately but a moral view is different from a legal one.
I'd be interested to know what the new evidence is. |
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I just seen him walk out of the high court with his bird.....
walked straight across the road infront of two buses and it wasnt the crossing either. If I were the driver Id have gone mental on the horn effing and blinding. 'Pavement for pedestrians ffs, did the court give you freedom of the roads too junior?'  |
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Cooee 21 Apr 16 15:12
British courts don't pass an innocent verdict anyway. When did I say they did? Everyone here is using the word, which is why I was vaguely questioning whether he should be described as such. It may well be that he's not guilty of the charges here, but he's hardly a paragon of virtue. |
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Correct
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Erm.. Thanks...
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I.e he ain't innocent
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I seriously doubt she was either!
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walked straight across the road infront of two buses and it wasnt the crossing either.
Imagine how many conspiracy threads there'd be on here if one of the drivers hadn't slammed on the brakes!  |
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You wouldn't blame him if, rather than crossing a busy road, he left court via a back passage.
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I suspect he'll have more to say on this case if (when) the retrial comes to an end. Jeremy Kyle's team are probably getting together the paperwork as we speak...
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