PM only has some savings... a house and a job?

he has 30 mill stashed new jersy

panama pot luck

has put away two creme eggs every week since he was twelve?

So did mr Cameron not inherit any of his fathers wealth ?

Go for the jugular IS

Downing Street has said David Cameron, his wife and children do not benefit from offshore funds after questions about his family's tax affairs.

How would he answer a question if asked about them ever having benefitted directly (or indirectly) from offshore funds?

call me dave  and say again we are all in this together

Quite remarkable how underpaid his job is.

Tony got a job with Goldman Sachs? or other bank

Maybe it was a job but ex-high ranking politicians have banks and other organisations falling over themselves to offer them directorships which amounts to little more than having their name printed on the letterhead and turning up for the odd meeting for a six or even seven-figure salary.

Then there's the after dinner speaking circuit - he'll be able to make a Premier League footballer's wage from that alone.

Angela Ann Knight CBE is the chair of the Office of Tax Simplification.

Now thats a turd that keeps on a-bobbin

Call me Dave is a fine example for the working classes.

Work hard and pay your taxes - an excellent role model for the plebs.

Always wondered how Mandelson went from having to borrow 370k from his mate Geoffrey Robinson to buy a house in 2004,
to buying one for 7.6 million 7 years later. And all from a 140k a year ministerial job as business minister!
Perhaps he won it all on the horses.

rent magnet

Dr Crippen  • April 5, 2016 7:53 PM BST 
Call me Dave is a fine example for the working classes.
Work hard and pay your taxes - an excellent role model for the plebs.

Spot on and to think wee Nicky gets paid more as Scotlands First Minister.

Don't forget, they are all in this together (look no further than the expenses scandal for how all-encompassing that was)

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did he say it was a private matter when it came into the public domain that jimmy carr had been aggresively avoiding tax? i think not

Dodgy Dave

I love that caricature that cartoonist does of Dave, it's so demeaning yet carries a remarkable similarity.
I bet secretly Cameron hates it, being fashioned as a c0ck in a Jonny

Love way Dodgy Dave gets irritated so quickly about stuff. was fuming about being questioned over this tax stuff

Dave's down on his uppers.

It's the insistence that they have done nothing illegal that gets me - as if legality is the only benchmark against which these actions are measured.

Bit of a bugger when it's them too that decide what constitutes illegality.

Cameron has a very staged persona that only assisting in him and his type coming across as mendacious.
He's like a political robot.

....with a condom on its head

as if legality is the only benchmark against which these actions are measured.

It is if you've got any sense.

Apr 6, 2016 -- 11:03AM, rogerthebutler wrote:

It's the insistence that they have done nothing illegal that gets me - as if legality is the only benchmark against which these actions are measured.

Dave thinks its perfectly fine to have offshore tax avoidance schemes. He thinks its morally fine and he and his family have obviously benefited from the in the past

which is why he avoids any mention of past and talks about now and future

I bet secretly Cameron hates it, being fashioned as a c0ck in a Jonny

Steve Bell had him sussed a long time ago

Dr Crippen
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    06 Apr 16 11:18   

as if legality is the only benchmark against which these actions are measured.

It is if you've got any sense.

Not if you are creating the legal framework in the first place, taking money away from the neediest members of society, holding you and your fellow Parliamentarians to some notional higher ethical standards and claiming 'we are all in this together'

this smells

Panama Papers: offshore firm set up by Cameron's father was moved to Ireland in year son became PM


panama obviously sounded to far away

Prime Minister David Cameron today branded comedian Jimmy Carr "morally wrong" for seeking to avoid taxes.

Media reports of Carr's tax arrangements suggest he is undertaking "straightforward tax avoidance", said the Prime Minister.

And he said it was unfair on the people who pay to watch the comic perform that he is not paying his taxes in the same way that they do.

Speaking to ITV News during a round of TV interviews during his trip to Mexico, the PM said: "I think some of these schemes - and I think particularly of the Jimmy Carr scheme - I have had time to read about and I just think this is completely wrong.

"People work hard, they pay their taxes, they save up to go to one of his shows. They buy the tickets. He is taking the money from those tickets and he, as far as I can see, is putting all of that into some very dodgy tax avoiding schemes.

"That is wrong. There is nothing wrong with people planning their tax affairs to invest in their pension and plan for their retirement - that sort of tax management is fine.

"But some of these schemes we have seen are quite frankly morally wrong.

"The Government is acting by looking at a general anti-avoidance law but we do need to make progress on this.

"It is not fair on hard working people who do the right thing and pay their taxes to see these sorts of scams taking place."

what a c0ck cameroon is

i think dave's mate gary barlow also used this type of scheme but wasnt criticised by dave when this was revealed. mind you he's a tory supporter so is entitled to have his tax affairs remain private

i saw a documentary about the cameron family's tax arrangements a few years ago. i think that the money was moved back from panama to make it look straighter. he is choosing his words very carefully, obviously for a reason.

Am I missing something here?

Has Dave's money been found in Panama?

we dont know he wont say, i wonder why

He has said.  See thread title.

Was his name found on any list?

They use "natural people" to act as the beneficiaries.....that is, flunkies who live on BVI, thus hiding the real beneficiaries.

Tory types who preach 'personal responsibility' need the government to take them by the hand and guide them through every aspect of their financial affairs by the means of setting laws to cover every single possible scenario?

That's where morals should kick in.

Apr 6, 2016 -- 3:02PM, Ozymandius wrote:

He has said.  See thread title.Was his name found on any list?

he has not denied he has benefitted in the past from self proclaimed 'morally wrong schemes'

he is as transparent as a brick wall, he just needs to say he and family have never benefited from these offshore avoidance schemes, past, present, future.

he doesnt say past, just present and future. Anyone with a brain cell can see why

Are such schemes immoral, no they can never be seen as immoral. But they may be illegal or legal. That is for the English parliament to decide.

Who knows what type of Trust his Father arranged for him as a Child.

What matters is the present.

only bit i found immoral was bringing it closer to home meant running out of IRE

I doubt when DC,s old man was a director of said fund in 1983 and the PM was 16 he would have known what his old man was up to .

The family have had dosh for years and been stockbrokers ,it does not mean by association DC is a bad egg ,but thats exactly what the left are implying .They really are a desperate bunch with pretty much fck all to offer the world would be a fair and logical assumption to make. 

Massive humungus  story and they are like a dog with a bone over a 20m fund ,which the now deceased,s PM,s father was one of 5 directors of ,and its not even established if he even had any money in the fund .

Theres a big story in all this and it aint DC,S dead father imo .

Next you will be asking him to account for his morally wrong substance abuse at University.

Let the man on with the important job at hand.

:D just llike he did with jimmy carr?

why doesnt he just say, yes as a child my morally corrupt dad set up a very dodgy tax avoiding scheme but when I got to 18 I closed it, then everyone knows where he stands on the matter

Although his press releases have just lead to more requests for clarification

because no one believes them

Cameron used decisions taken by Nicola Sturgeon's parents to score points so his dad is fair game. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

CH 4 news now

Wake me up when they find any law that he's broken.

hells angels

The Ponce Twits

PP

PM to resigsn over Panama

20/1

vetoed offshore trust disclosure. sneaky fooker

Whining about 'laws' and 'rules' doesn't quite cut it when the people benefiting from this type of thing help write the laws and rules.

The system is fcking rancid.

Icelandic chap allegedly said he didnt step down but was taking leave for a while

Aye, until those outside stop kicking the gates and forget no doubt

media owners who report and comment on tax avoidance part of same tax avoidance cabal

Dr Crippen
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Wake me up when they find any law that he's broken.

Are you happy that the vast majority of tax paying working people are actually subsidising the greedy, rich, powerful and corrupt via public services that taxes pay for? It's not about whether law is broken or not. Once it was legal to own slaves.

Spot on and to think wee Nicky gets paid more as Scotlands First Minister.

I'd bet "wee Nicky" knows more about working for her money than Cameron does.

REMIND US WHAT PERCENTAGE OF STURGEON'S SALARY GOES TO CHARITY PLEASE, AKABULA.

'We owned 5,000 units in Blairmore Investment Trust, which we sold in January 2010. That was worth something like £30,000'


well, well, well, partaking in a 'morally corrupt scheme', squirming, evading answers while at same time condemning others and spouting off about transparency

that 20k profit is most you could return to uk without incurring capital gains tax, nice coincidence that he cashed out under the threshold or was there more money in there? where did it go?

as it seems these units were bearer bonds did he just give them to someone?

all starting to unravel

Helicopter is warmed up and ready to go.

Cash out just before election was coincidence.

any proof he hasnt yomomma?

David Cameron's approval rating has fallen below Jeremy Corbyn's for the first time, a new poll has revealed.

Just 34 per cent of voters said the Prime Minister was doing a good job, while 58 per cent felt he was not.

oh dear Dave, a week to forget

a bullingdon boy blunderer

couldnt believe it last night on newsnight had Boris's sister on as 'journalist' defending dodgy dave!, really bbc walofs you serve up

and they say the bbc is a subversive left wing organisation

Mail on Sunday journalist - Rachel Johnson

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When Jimmy Carr's tax avoidance was revealed, Dave thought it was "morally wrong" to have money offshore. So will you resign Dave?

Ian Cameron was worth £10 million in 2009.
In his will he left £2.7 million.
The question is ' what's happen to the rest ?'

Where is the missing £7.3 million ?

daves capital gains in 2010, came in 3 quid, 3 quid! under the threshold.

They are sailing very close to the edge, hope they calculated everything correctly and covered their tracks well, must be sweating

an they think nothing of taking £30 a week from poorest disabled in society

I'm fcuking RAGING

anyone investigated Blair yet?

dont think disability  benefits are  means tested

The issue here though is that nobody can honestly say they didn't expect this of people who follow that sort of ideology.
Aspiration is just a veneer to cover the fact most people are inherently greedy.
What people tend to do is keep voting in the types of political thinking that allows people to be ambitious and all the while dream that it will infact be them that gains at the expense of others.
People just want to have as easy a life as possible with as high a reward as possible for as little effort.
Somebody has to make up this shortfall, so when people keep voting in the people who implement it how can anyone pretend to be surprised?

The job of PM must be difficult, he does get a fairly decent wage however. But then working in the foundry is also difficult and it's totally disingenuous to suggest that those doing less skilled work are less deserving.....I'm damn sure which one I'd feckin go trust the more of the two.

Cameron will get through this, unfortunately. But his reputation is in tatters and I wouldn't be surprised if the tories have a leadership election within the next year.

The only reason people get in power is to make it cosy for their rich friends.

I'm not so sure about that.
The sums don't add up. If the top 0.1% hold all the wealth then that makes them totally deficient in any contest against those who don't hold wealth come the elections.....unless the allegations are they elections are **** every time which I doubt.

No, I just think all those people who say they want a fairer society simply mean they just want to be the ones on the good side of it and keep voting for opportunism so that maybe one day they will.

you need to sell those people a dream to buy into, study, work hard, and you can do well dave likes to sell that one, but he knows what is effective is be born rich, invest that money and avoid all attempts to take your wealth away via taxation

Its so typical that here we have lefties all on their high horse about him "dodging taxes".
He's done nothing wrong, you could do what he has done today, it's nothing wierd. He's acted completely in the rules and declared everything to the tax people and paid all the taxes. Do any of you even KNOW what what a unit trust is? IF not then sthu and go read what they are and stop embarrassing yourself.

What tax has David Cameron dodged, name one?
What has he done due to some bullingdon entitlement you imagine he has, that any of us couldn't do today if you wanted?

why did dave say jimmy carr doing same thing was morally wrong

What tax has David Cameron dodged, name one?

the unit trust itself avoided uk tax to generate bigger profits. You think they are set up offshore for reasons other than tax avoidance, when most directors are resident in uk? Its legal, like owning shares in facebook or starbucks is legal.

Its politically damaging for politicians like say, i dont know, the Prime minister ok UK to profit personally from these schemes whilst at same time condemning them as dodgy and morally wrong. Compounded by taking 5 days to come clean whilst lecturing others on transparency.

"2that 20k profit is most you could return to uk without incurring capital gains tax, nice coincidence that he cashed out under the threshold or was there more money in there?"
I mean wtf is this about. You don't hit the threshold then suddenly have to pay tax on all of it, you pay on the bit above the threshold so being a bit under it is completely irrelevant, and it was all declared anyway. But you don't like cameron, so any sense talked on this matter is in one ear and out the other.

And what the blazes has jimmy carr got to do with anything? Are lefties so gormless you think every single thing that happens abroad to do with tax must be the same thing and all bad because it's in a hot country or something? That sums it up doesn't it. So like if I buy a car in jamaica, that's the same as buying a pineapple in trinidad? They are both buying, and far away, so I presume they are.

Carr was doing something like running his entire income through a dodgy company to avoice income tax, what in gods name does have to do with buying a unit trust and paying the appropriate taxes on it?

"the unit trust itself avoided uk tax to generate bigger profits." Prove it.
And if it DID, this unit trust he bought into, that you could buy into, and it DID increase its profits, this would be expressed, that were declared to HMRC, that David Cameron then paid. Your move.

*"this would be expressed as higher dividends"

lefties big day out. We had a General Election - they don';t like the result - so bore us all to death.

You asked which was avoided, i told you, uk corporation tax. Silly to think Daves tax on his dividends makes up for loss of uk tax on the whole company

re the capital gains threshold early, you dont have to declare under the threshold capital gains to hmrc, so another example of dave flying low and under the radar to even his own tax man. dave hasnt published his tax return even after repeatedly saying he will, so you saying he declared it is nonsense.

jimmy carr is relevant for dave being a hypocrite in condemning others for what he done hiself

"Flying under the radar", well the tax man must have been pretty stupid to not know he owned the shares as he was paying the tax on the dividends from them. You're just talking complete sh*t now, and you know it. And how do you know he didn't declare, but the total for that year was under? Not paying CGT on them is not the same as them being off the radar. If he fills out a tax return, and his affairs may have been complex enough to require this, I'd think they WERE declared.

he has said he made 20k ish profits due to the panama leak, he paid no tax on the dividends as he was under the threshold, no need to declare (facepalm).

Jesus ****ing christ you don't even know the difference between dividends/income and capital growth.

Here's a quote from the guardian, famous for its entrenched defence of Cameron: "He paid income tax on the dividends but there was no capital gains tax payable". Note: they are two different things.

Admitting it had been “a difficult few days”, the prime minister said he held the shares with his wife, Samantha, from 1997 and during his time as leader of the opposition. They were sold in January 2010 for £31,500, making a profit of £19,000.

Cameron said he paid income tax on the dividends but there was no capital gains tax payable

Cameron is talking about paing income tax on dividends since 97 and then selling the asset in 2010 and thus generating a capital gain below cgt threshold 20kish and as the disposal was less than 4 * threshold (40kish) under reporting or declaration limit aswell

What's your point? I've already been over this? What's your point?