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14 Mar 16
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What a disgusting piece of filth.
Had only been out of prison three weeks after another police chase.
Had bought and smoked drugs that night.
Was burgling a shop the night he killed Dave Phillips.
Then stole a pick up and drove off in it.
Says he didn't hit him on purpose but knew he had injured him (doing 80mph) but drove off because he was scared.
Lock him up, turn off the cctv, then let Dave Phillips' colleagues go and check on him in his cell.
Had only been out of prison three weeks after another police chase.
Had bought and smoked drugs that night.
Was burgling a shop the night he killed Dave Phillips.
Then stole a pick up and drove off in it.
Says he didn't hit him on purpose but knew he had injured him (doing 80mph) but drove off because he was scared.
Lock him up, turn off the cctv, then let Dave Phillips' colleagues go and check on him in his cell.
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We've tried and failed, the decent law abiding citizens of this country, since the day capital punishment was abolished..
Its the only punishment that works , and its flawless when it comes to murderers Re-offending .
But the lawyers and barristers don't want it, because criminals earn them tons of money, victims earn them nothing.
Its the only punishment that works , and its flawless when it comes to murderers Re-offending .
But the lawyers and barristers don't want it, because criminals earn them tons of money, victims earn them nothing.
The lawyers' charter - We must protect our criminals, they're our bread and butter.
Give them light sentences and get them re-offending and back in court as quickly as possible, kerching!
Give them light sentences and get them re-offending and back in court as quickly as possible, kerching!
Capt__F
class parents
That's the main problem. A lack of parental control breeds criminals like this.
Hope he gets what he's due when in the jail. Piece of chit.
class parents
That's the main problem. A lack of parental control breeds criminals like this.
Hope he gets what he's due when in the jail. Piece of chit.
We've tried and failed, the decent law abiding citizens of this country, since the day capital punishment was abolished..
Its the only punishment that works , and its flawless when it comes to murderers Re-offending .
But the lawyers and barristers don't want it, because criminals earn them tons of money, victims earn them nothing.
Wrong on three points:
1) lawyers make a fortune out of victims -- all that lovely compensation
2) lawyers would make a fortune from appeals against death sentences
3) the main reason (apart from its inhumanity) for abolishing hanging was that juries became reluctant to find murderers guilty
Its the only punishment that works , and its flawless when it comes to murderers Re-offending .
But the lawyers and barristers don't want it, because criminals earn them tons of money, victims earn them nothing.
Wrong on three points:
1) lawyers make a fortune out of victims -- all that lovely compensation
2) lawyers would make a fortune from appeals against death sentences
3) the main reason (apart from its inhumanity) for abolishing hanging was that juries became reluctant to find murderers guilty
probably didn't mean to kill him but that's besides the point.............lock him up and throw away the key
He will almost certainly get a whole life term. Killing a police officer is not looked upon with any leniency by the judges. And rightly so.
A teenage car thief accused of deliberately running over and killing a policeman has told his trial he was a "little boy lost" who "needed a cuddle" from his grandmother.
Clayton Williams, 19, said he cried and felt scared and lost after fatally knocking down PC Dave Phillips with a stolen pick-up truck and tried to call his relative Shirley Williams.
The defendant also agreed that following the collision he fled the scene, dumped the vehicle, had a shower at his aunt's house, got rid of his clothes which were burnt and gave his phone away.
Williams had earlier led police on an 80mph chase after stealing a Mitsubishi in a burglary on 5 October last year.
Father-of-two PC Phillips was deploying a stinger device to stop Williams, who allegedly deliberately drove at the policeman using the vehicle as a "weapon" in a "merciless and cowardly act".
Williams denies murdering the officer who was killed almost instantly from "catastrophic" injuries in Wallasey, Merseyside.
He has admitted the burglary where the car was stolen and aggravated vehicle taking.
He told the jury he had no intention of harming anyone but was trying to drive round the stinger spikes when he hit the officer at 50-80mph.
He had been released on licence from jail three weeks earlier after serving half of a nine-month sentence, for leading police on another pursuit in a car and crashing into a lamppost.
Williams said he fled the scene because he feared returning to jail and insisted he did not see PC Phillips crouching to deploy the stinger until the last seconds.
Prosecutor Ian Unsworth QC accused Williams of lying and that the officer was "clearly visible" to him, shown on video footage by a pursuing police car.
Williams said seconds after hitting the officer, he tried to phone his grandmother.
He said: "I just needed someone in my family to cuddle up to."
He continued: "I'm only a young boy. I have not got it in me to take someone's life. You are making me out to be something I'm not.
"I was scared. I needed someone, I needed my nan or someone. It's hard being chased and just come out of jail."
Mr Unsworth asked the defendant why he did not turn himself in.
Williams said: "I didn't know who to contact. At the time I just felt like a lost little boy. I just needed someone to talk to."
The trial continues.
Clayton Williams, 19, said he cried and felt scared and lost after fatally knocking down PC Dave Phillips with a stolen pick-up truck and tried to call his relative Shirley Williams.
The defendant also agreed that following the collision he fled the scene, dumped the vehicle, had a shower at his aunt's house, got rid of his clothes which were burnt and gave his phone away.
Williams had earlier led police on an 80mph chase after stealing a Mitsubishi in a burglary on 5 October last year.
Father-of-two PC Phillips was deploying a stinger device to stop Williams, who allegedly deliberately drove at the policeman using the vehicle as a "weapon" in a "merciless and cowardly act".
Williams denies murdering the officer who was killed almost instantly from "catastrophic" injuries in Wallasey, Merseyside.
He has admitted the burglary where the car was stolen and aggravated vehicle taking.
He told the jury he had no intention of harming anyone but was trying to drive round the stinger spikes when he hit the officer at 50-80mph.
He had been released on licence from jail three weeks earlier after serving half of a nine-month sentence, for leading police on another pursuit in a car and crashing into a lamppost.
Williams said he fled the scene because he feared returning to jail and insisted he did not see PC Phillips crouching to deploy the stinger until the last seconds.
Prosecutor Ian Unsworth QC accused Williams of lying and that the officer was "clearly visible" to him, shown on video footage by a pursuing police car.
Williams said seconds after hitting the officer, he tried to phone his grandmother.
He said: "I just needed someone in my family to cuddle up to."
He continued: "I'm only a young boy. I have not got it in me to take someone's life. You are making me out to be something I'm not.
"I was scared. I needed someone, I needed my nan or someone. It's hard being chased and just come out of jail."
Mr Unsworth asked the defendant why he did not turn himself in.
Williams said: "I didn't know who to contact. At the time I just felt like a lost little boy. I just needed someone to talk to."
The trial continues.
Ramruna then time to stop appeals by lawyers every case death sentence passed
relooked at by 3 judges .
One question is the correct sentence passed yes/no
Time to stop the oh he had a poor upbringing and never had a chance
You can make mistakes but you don't keep making mistakes
sometime or another you have to say enough is enough to protect
the victims of crime not the continual re-offenders
Having done jury service twice and when we found this bloke guilty
of ABH AND GBH against 2 women i was shocked to here he had 38 previous convictions
for the same offence he was about 30 years old was on probation suspended sentence etc
And the lawyer was complaining about his lack of a family life
Yes but you have probably stopped 30 people from having a normal life now.
Blimey don't think i have every had a rant like that before must be getting old.
relooked at by 3 judges .
One question is the correct sentence passed yes/no
Time to stop the oh he had a poor upbringing and never had a chance
You can make mistakes but you don't keep making mistakes
sometime or another you have to say enough is enough to protect
the victims of crime not the continual re-offenders
Having done jury service twice and when we found this bloke guilty
of ABH AND GBH against 2 women i was shocked to here he had 38 previous convictions
for the same offence he was about 30 years old was on probation suspended sentence etc
And the lawyer was complaining about his lack of a family life
Yes but you have probably stopped 30 people from having a normal life now.
Blimey don't think i have every had a rant like that before must be getting old.
he should get the same punishment that the police get when they kill a member of the public, after all this country is run on the principle that all are equal under the law, except we support a corrupt state and dont believe that principle is true
Spot on wit-ham and spot the criminal posting immediately after you.
Cleared of murder,Twenty years for manslaughter and banned from driving for life.This scum should never see the outside of a prison ever again.
akabula...........why do you think a coppers life is more important than anyone else??????????????
Anyone driving as he did should get life for killing someone, policeman or not.
on the face of it looks very fortunate to have been given the benefit of the doubt
temple .........I agree but some coppers get away with murder............ian Tomlinson was a good example ...........the copper was seen on cctv guilty as hell..........verdict not guilty
no doubt the guy who killed that copper deserves his sentance
anyone remember that case........think it was somewhere in Yorkshire............it was before all people had cameras on their phone.............a copper beat up a guy in the street for no reason...........the guy was drunk but was standing still not doing anything and the copper beat the crap out of him..................the drunk was charged with assault and also being drunk and disorderly.......the guy pleaded guilty as he couldn't remember anything and thought well I must have assaulted the copper........but unlucky for the copper a man had filmed the whole incident from across the road..........the copper was found guilty and slung out of the force
thread drifting off topic ,think they could not convict of murder because would mean massive implications for Road Traffic law
He drove the vehicle ,he drove at the policeman and killed him ,he is a murderer ,no excuses ,weed dont make people kill ,rather the opposite ,state should stop fannying around wiping noses and arses and get a fckn grip of bad eggs .
Had just been released ,whatever system is in place it aint tough enough ,he learned nothing and the deterrent was minimal .
Dont agree with cops chasing people through built up areas and too many accidents occur ,sometimes looks like the cops and the crims are playing their own wee game and public satey is secondary ,has to be better ways to bring these vehicles to a stop ,maybe bollards that pop up out of the road or military drones would be the answer ,vehicle technology could also help ,no doubt would be easier to disable vehicles via electronic means but having cops chasing stolen vehicles at high speed puts everyone in danger .
Am sure a system of electronic disablement could work ,maybe a drone that could read electronically the system of the vehicle and disable it or use some sort of pulse to fry the electrics will come into play ,sooner the better .But there is no excuses for what occurred ,not social economic or deprivation or drugs can excuse this ,if anything the wishy washy brigade are to blame ,they created this excuse of a human imo .
He drove the vehicle ,he drove at the policeman and killed him ,he is a murderer ,no excuses ,weed dont make people kill ,rather the opposite ,state should stop fannying around wiping noses and arses and get a fckn grip of bad eggs .
Had just been released ,whatever system is in place it aint tough enough ,he learned nothing and the deterrent was minimal .
Dont agree with cops chasing people through built up areas and too many accidents occur ,sometimes looks like the cops and the crims are playing their own wee game and public satey is secondary ,has to be better ways to bring these vehicles to a stop ,maybe bollards that pop up out of the road or military drones would be the answer ,vehicle technology could also help ,no doubt would be easier to disable vehicles via electronic means but having cops chasing stolen vehicles at high speed puts everyone in danger .
Am sure a system of electronic disablement could work ,maybe a drone that could read electronically the system of the vehicle and disable it or use some sort of pulse to fry the electrics will come into play ,sooner the better .But there is no excuses for what occurred ,not social economic or deprivation or drugs can excuse this ,if anything the wishy washy brigade are to blame ,they created this excuse of a human imo .
"thread drifting off topic ,think they could not convict of murder because would mean massive implications for Road Traffic law"
I can see that jury now, remember, before we move on to another vote we need to consider the Road Traffic Act.
I can see that jury now, remember, before we move on to another vote we need to consider the Road Traffic Act.
i doubt that vote would have taken place ..although is stand to be corrected ,a jury is bound by what is can and cannot do and currently i dont think you can easily be convicted of murder when driving ...stand to be corrected ,BB with keep us right here 
General issues of relevance to driving offences
Referral of Fatal Collision/Manslaughter Cases
To ensure consistency of approach, charging decisions in all fatal collision cases should be approved by a Chief Crown Prosecutor (CCP), Deputy Chief Crown Prosecutor (DCCP) or nominated senior decision maker (who will have been nominated for this role by their CCP/DCCP).
Where there is evidence that points towards an organisation to which the terms of the Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007 might apply, prosecutors must refer these cases to the Special Crime and Counter Terrorism Division.
Where a prosecutor is of the view that there may be sufficient evidence to warrant full consideration of a charge of gross negligence manslaughter, these cases should be referred to the relevant Complex Casework Unit (see the Homicide: Murder and Manslaughter Guidance).
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Terminology
When a suspects/defendants manner of driving has resulted in death or serious injury to a victim, the term "fatal collision" or "collision" should be used in all correspondence, conversations at court and in meetings when dealing with these cases. The term "accident" should not be used.
General issues of relevance to driving offences
Referral of Fatal Collision/Manslaughter Cases
To ensure consistency of approach, charging decisions in all fatal collision cases should be approved by a Chief Crown Prosecutor (CCP), Deputy Chief Crown Prosecutor (DCCP) or nominated senior decision maker (who will have been nominated for this role by their CCP/DCCP).
Where there is evidence that points towards an organisation to which the terms of the Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007 might apply, prosecutors must refer these cases to the Special Crime and Counter Terrorism Division.
Where a prosecutor is of the view that there may be sufficient evidence to warrant full consideration of a charge of gross negligence manslaughter, these cases should be referred to the relevant Complex Casework Unit (see the Homicide: Murder and Manslaughter Guidance).
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Terminology
When a suspects/defendants manner of driving has resulted in death or serious injury to a victim, the term "fatal collision" or "collision" should be used in all correspondence, conversations at court and in meetings when dealing with these cases. The term "accident" should not be used.
cardifffc • March 21, 2016 2:27 PM GMT
akabula...........why do you think a coppers life is more important than anyone else??????????????
Please point out where I said that.
akabula...........why do you think a coppers life is more important than anyone else??????????????
Please point out where I said that.
.........I agree but some coppers get away with murder............ian Tomlinson was a good example
BTW in no society would that be classed as murder.
BTW in no society would that be classed as murder.
complex casework unit ? perhaps you could elucidate BB instead of being a prat 
"We've tried and failed, the decent law abiding citizens of this country, since the day capital punishment was abolished.."
Whilst it's terrible that a Policeman doing his duty is killed by this human piece of cr ap.
With regard to bringing back "Capital Punishment" ...go and tell that to the "Guildord Four" or the "Birmingham Six"
There's ten innocent people that would have in all probability be hanged by a corrupt English legal system !
Whilst it's terrible that a Policeman doing his duty is killed by this human piece of cr ap.
With regard to bringing back "Capital Punishment" ...go and tell that to the "Guildord Four" or the "Birmingham Six"
There's ten innocent people that would have in all probability be hanged by a corrupt English legal system !
i doubt that vote would have taken place ..although is stand to be corrected
Of course it would have taken place. He was indicted for and stood trial for murder and they chose the alternative of manslaughter.
Of course it would have taken place. He was indicted for and stood trial for murder and they chose the alternative of manslaughter.
This scumbag will come out of prison still a comparatively young man and in all likelyhood will continue a life of crime whilst the poor bereaved family sentence will truly be life. i hope but somehow doubt it that somebody makes him suffer for his evilness.
"This scumbag will come out of prison still a comparatively young man and in all likelyhood will continue a life of crime whilst the poor bereaved family sentence will truly be life. i hope but somehow doubt it that somebody makes him suffer for his evilness".
He should never be allowed out of prison ...rot there for the rest of his life !
He should never be allowed out of prison ...rot there for the rest of his life !
Rockiron I agree with you but it won't happen.Incidentally was chatting to someone who works in a prison they told me a con had smashed up his tv and then was moved to another cell and guess what yes he had a tv in his new cell.
To coin a phrase the lunatics have taken over the asylum
To coin a phrase the lunatics have taken over the asylum
Rockinron
22 Mar 16 08:25
With regard to bringing back "Capital Punishment" ...go and tell that to the "Guildord Four" or the "Birmingham Six"
Or the Renault Five.
22 Mar 16 08:25
With regard to bringing back "Capital Punishment" ...go and tell that to the "Guildord Four" or the "Birmingham Six"
Or the Renault Five.
cardifffc • March 22, 2016 12:35 PM GMT
akabula........so the copper was innocent
What's that got to do with what you posted. You said murder and it obviously wasn't murder.
akabula........so the copper was innocent
What's that got to do with what you posted. You said murder and it obviously wasn't murder.
Lee Nolan got less for murder (18 years)...than that scouse kid got for Manslaughter.
It's make it up as you go along time.
It's make it up as you go along time.
Lee Nolan got less for murder (18 years)...than that scouse kid got for Manslaughter.
It's make it up as you go along time.
It's make it up as you go along time.
^^ He got a life sentence. A life sentence is more than a 20 year sentence. 18 years was the minimum period he would serve. It seems you're the one making it up as you go along.
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