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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/09/isis-document-leak-reportedly-reveals-identities-syria-22000-fighters
Isis document leak reportedly reveals identities of 22,000 recruits
Documents obtained by German intelligence thought to contain names of 16 Britons, in information stolen in Syria by fighter disillusioned with Islamic State
The documents allegedly contain details of 16 British fighters, four from the US and six from Canada, as well as recruits from France and Germany.
Wednesday 9 March 2016 23.50 GMT Last modified on Thursday 10 March 2016 07.35 GMT
More than a dozen Britons and a handful of Americans are among Islamic State fighters reportedly named in a cache of 22,000 documents obtained by German intelligence.
Britons identified in the documents so far had previously been revealed to the public and are dead, killed in US-led strikes, or their whereabouts unknown. Sixteen Britons are thought to be on the list, among them Junaid Hussain and Reyaad Khan.
The documents, thought to be from a border crossing into Syria, are questionnaires of each would-be recruit. There are 23 questions, including names, date and place of birth, hometown, telephone number, education and blood type.
Germany’s interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, confirmed the documents were real and they would facilitate “speedier, clearer investigations and stricter prison sentences” for those returning from Syria and Iraq. De Maizière said the materials help clarify “the underlying structures of this terrorist organisation”.
A spokesperson for the BKA, the German federal police, confirmed that the agency was in possession of the cache of documents, adding that experts determined their authenticity. German officials did not specify how the agency had got the documents, nor how many names had been found within them.
German media reported that the questionnaire asked would-be Isis recruits about any previous experience they had in jihad and whether they were prepared to be suicide bombers.
The existence of the documents was revealed by the Munich-based Süddeutsche Zeitung paper and German broadcasters WDR and NDR on Monday evening. Zaman al-Wasl, a pro-opposition Syrian news website, published examples of the questionnaires on Tuesday.
Sky News claimed on Tuesday that it too has obtained copies of what appeared to be the same documents, containing about 22,000 names. It said the they were passed on a memory stick stolen from Isis internal security police by a former Free Syrian Army convert who later became disillusioned with Isis.
The documents held by the German authorities seem to have been collected at the end of 2013. Even the lowest estimate of the numbers that crossed the border in that period indicates the sheer scale of volunteers to Isis. The documents will be useful to intelligence agencies in confirming names and details of people suspected of joining Isis. However, it was reported that there are names not previously known to the intelligence services.
Zaman al-Wasl reported that personal details of 1,736 fighters from 40 countries had been revealed – a quarter were Saudis and the rest predominantly Tunisian, Moroccan and Egyptian.
The documents, written in Arabic and stamped with logos used by Isis, allegedly contain details of 16 British fighters, four from the US and six from Canada, as well as recruits from France and Germany.
Intelligence agencies have estimated that about 700 Britons have joined Isis.
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Is Donald Trump right that more British Muslims fight for Isis than the UK army?
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The documents allegedly contain details of 16 British fighters, four from the US and six from Canada, as well as recruits from France and Germany.
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Maybe some of them applied just to comply with job-search requirements for Jobseekers Allowance.
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Maybe they had already been sanctioned...
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You would not beleive me , but ISIS are on our side
We see the enemy as Russia, so do not want him and Assad to win in Syria By the simple logic the enemy of my enemy is my friend.....at some level we support ISIS |
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You may support ISIS but most don't.
There is however a tacit support of ISIS on the Left,it springs from a hatred of your own country. This hatred manifests itself in always being on the side of Britains enemies. Its why Calais is teeming with treasonous Brits helping the law breakers over there. Its how Rotherham happened. Its why feminists never utter a word about FGM,honour killings or stoning to death of adulterous women. Its why excuses like " sexual emergency " are accepted. Everyone is kowtowed,all afraid to say what we know to be true. Islam is a barbaric religion that has no place in a Western democracy. |
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Remind us again of how Russia is the enemy? From what I remember of my history lessons in school, the west ( europeans ) have tried and failed to 'invade' Russia from Nepoleons time to Hitlers.
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The UK gov was just 13 votes away from supporting ISIS in 2013
Who voted for the government’s motion? Nigel Adams (Conservative) Peter Aldous (Conservative) Stuart Andrew (Conservative) James Arbuthnot (Conservative) Tony Baldry (Conservative) Harriett Baldwin (Conservative) Stephen Barclay (Conservative) Gregory Barker (Conservative) Gavin Barwell (Conservative) Guto Bebb (Conservative) Richard Benyon (Conservative) Paul Beresford (Conservative) Jake Berry (Conservative) Brian Binley (Conservative) Bob Blackman (Conservative) Nicola Blackwood (Conservative) Nick Boles (Conservative) Peter Bone (Conservative) Peter Bottomley (Conservative) Karen Bradley (Conservative) Angie Bray (Conservative) Julian Brazier (Conservative) Andrew Bridgen (Conservative) Steve Brine (Conservative) James Brokenshire (Conservative) Robert Buckland (Conservative) Aidan Burley (Conservative) Conor Burns (Conservative) Simon Burns (Conservative) David Burrowes (Conservative) Alistair Burt (Conservative) Dan Byles (Conservative) Alun Cairns (Conservative) David Cameron (Conservative) Neil Carmichael (Conservative) Douglas Carswell (Conservative) Rehman Chishti (Conservative) James Clappison (Conservative) Greg Clark (Conservative) Geoffre Clifton-Brown (Conservative) Thérèse Coffey (Conservative) Damian Collins (Conservative) Oliver Colvile (Conservative) Glyn Davies (Conservative) Caroline Dinenage (Conservative) Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative) Stephen Dorrell (Conservative) Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative) James Duddridge (Conservative) Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative) Philip Dunne (Conservative) Michael Ellis (Conservative) Jane Ellison (Conservative) Tobias Ellwood (Conservative) Charlie Elphicke (Conservative) George Eustice (Conservative) Graham Evans (Conservative) Jonathan Evans (Conservative) David Evennett (Conservative) Michael Fabricant (Conservative) Michael Fallon (Conservative) Mark Field (Conservative) Liam Fox (Conservative) Mark Francois (Conservative) George Freeman (Conservative) Mike Freer (Conservative) Lorraine Fullbrook (Conservative) Richard Fuller (Conservative) Roger Gale (Conservative) Edward Garnier (Conservative) Mark Garnier (Conservative) Nick Gibb (Conservative) Cheryl Gillan (Conservative) John Glen (Conservative) Zac Goldsmith (Conservative) Robert Goodwill (Conservative) Michael Gove (Conservative) Richard Graham (Conservative) Helen Grant (Conservative) James Gray (Conservative) Chris Grayling (Conservative) Damian Green (Conservative) Dominic Grieve (Conservative) Andrew Griffiths (Conservative) Ben Gummer (Conservative) Sam Gyimah (Conservative) William Hague (Conservative) Robert Halfon (Conservative) Philip Hammond (Conservative) Stephen Hammond (Conservative) Matthew Hancock (Conservative) Greg Hands (Conservative) Mark Harper (Conservative) Richard Harrington (Conservative) Rebecca Harris (Conservative) Simon Hart (Conservative) John Hayes (Conservative) Oliver Heald (Conservative) Chri Heaton-Harris (Conservative) Charles Hendry (Conservative) Nick Herbert (Conservative) Damian Hinds (Conservative) Mark Hoban (Conservative) Georg Hollingbery (Conservative) Kris Hopkins (Conservative) Gerald Howarth (Conservative) John Howell (Conservative) Jeremy Hunt (Conservative) Nick Hurd (Conservative) Stewart Jackson (Conservative) Margot James (Conservative) Sajid Javid (Conservative) Bernard Jenkin (Conservative) Gareth Johnson (Conservative) Joseph Johnson (Conservative) Andrew Jones (Conservative) David Jones (Conservative) Marcus Jones (Conservative) Daniel Kawczynski (Conservative) Simon Kirby (Conservative) Greg Knight (Conservative) Kwasi Kwarteng (Conservative) Eleanor Laing (Conservative) Andrew Lansley (Conservative) Andrea Leadsom (Conservative) Jessica Lee (Conservative) Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative) Oliver Letwin (Conservative) Brandon Lewis (Conservative) David Lidington (Conservative) Peter Lilley (Conservative) Jonathan Lord (Conservative) Peter Luff (Conservative) Karen Lumley (Conservative) Karl McCartney (Conservative) Mary Macleod (Conservative) Patrick McLoughlin (Conservative) Esther McVey (Conservative) Francis Maude (Conservative) Theresa May (Conservative) Paul Maynard (Conservative) Mark Menzies (Conservative) Stephen Metcalfe (Conservative) Maria Miller (Conservative) Anne Milton (Conservative) Andrew Mitchell (Conservative) Penny Mordaunt (Conservative) Nicky Morgan (Conservative) David Morris (Conservative) James Morris (Conservative) Stephen Mosley (Conservative) David Mowat (Conservative) David Mundell (Conservative) Sheryll Murray (Conservative) Andrew Murrison (Conservative) Robert Neill (Conservative) Brooks Newmark (Conservative) Sarah Newton (Conservative) Caroline Nokes (Conservative) David Nuttall (Conservative) Stephen O’Brien (Conservative) Matthew Offord (Conservative) Eric Ollerenshaw (Conservative) Guy Opperman (Conservative) George Osborne (Conservative) Richard Ottaway (Conservative) Neil Parish (Conservative) Owen Paterson (Conservative) Mark Pawsey (Conservative) Mike Penning (Conservative) John Penrose (Conservative) Claire Perry (Conservative) Stephen Phillips (Conservative) Eric Pickles (Conservative) Christophe Pincher (Conservative) Daniel Poulter (Conservative) Mark Prisk (Conservative) Mark Pritchard (Conservative) Dominic Raab (Conservative) John Randall (Conservative) Mark Reckless (Conservative) Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservative) Simon Reevell (Conservative) Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative) Andrew Robathan (Conservative) Hugh Robertson (Conservative) Laurenc Robertson (Conservative) Amber Rudd (Conservative) David Rutley (Conservative) Laura Sandys (Conservative) Lee Scott (Conservative) Andrew Selous (Conservative) Grant Shapps (Conservative) Alok Sharma (Conservative) Alec Shelbrooke (Conservative) Keith Simpson (Conservative) Chris Skidmore (Conservative) Henry Smith (Conservative) Julian Smith (Conservative) Nicholas Soames (Conservative) Anna Soubry (Conservative) Caroline Spelman (Conservative) Mark Spencer (Conservative) John Stanley (Conservative) Andre Stephenson (Conservative) John Stevenson (Conservative) Bob Stewart (Conservative) Iain Stewart (Conservative) Gary Streeter (Conservative) Mel Stride (Conservative) Graham Stuart (Conservative) Julian Sturdy (Conservative) Desmond Swayne (Conservative) Hugo Swire (Conservative) Robert Syms (Conservative) Edward Timpson (Conservative) Justin Tomlinson (Conservative) Paul Uppal (Conservative) Edward Vaizey (Conservative) Shailesh Vara (Conservative) Theresa Villiers (Conservative) Robin Walker (Conservative) Ben Wallace (Conservative) Robert Walter (Conservative) Angela Watkinson (Conservative) Mike Weatherley (Conservative) James Wharton (Conservative) Heather Wheeler (Conservative) Craig Whittaker (Conservative) John Whittingdale (Conservative) David Willetts (Conservative) Gavin Williamson (Conservative) Rob Wilson (Conservative) Jeremy Wright (Conservative) George Young (Conservative) Nadhim Zahawi (Conservative) Danny Alexander (Liberal Democrat) Norman Baker (Liberal Democrat) Alan Beith (Liberal Democrat) Tom Brake (Liberal Democrat) Jeremy Browne (Liberal Democrat) Malcolm Bruce (Liberal Democrat) Vince Cable (Liberal Democrat) Menzies Campbell (Liberal Democrat) Alistair Carmichael (Liberal Democrat) Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat) Edward Davey (Liberal Democrat) Lynne Featherstone (Liberal Democrat) Don Foster (Liberal Democrat) Stephen Gilbert (Liberal Democrat) Duncan Hames (Liberal Democrat) David Heath (Liberal Democrat) John Hemming (Liberal Democrat) Martin Horwood (Liberal Democrat) Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrat) Norman Lamb (Liberal Democrat) David Laws (Liberal Democrat) John Leech (Liberal Democrat) Stephen Lloyd (Liberal Democrat) Michael Moore (Liberal Democrat) Alan Reid (Liberal Democrat) Bob Russell (Liberal Democrat) Robert Smith (Liberal Democrat) Jo Swinson (Liberal Democrat) Mike Thornton (Liberal Democrat) Stephen Williams (Liberal Democrat) Simon Wright (Liberal Democrat) |
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I don't suppose the leaked list contains a UK-based Straight 'A' Peace-Lover who has left Britain to fight AGAINST the psychopaths who 'have besmirched the Religion of Peace' ? It will just be 480 or so (source : Guardian) wearing a British Army uniform.
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wildmanfromborneo • March 10, 2016 12:35 PM GMT
You may support ISIS but most don't. I dont I support Russia I warned a few ago on this forum how we should intervene in N.Iraq to remove ISIS...they were quite small then If you read Di Links post above, the support for ISIS comes from the right I will never blame our TROOPS they just do a job they ae sent to do, it is the Politicians who send them who are at fault |
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If any Labour MPs had been on that list you would be hearing/reading the phrase "terrorist sympathisers" several times a day.
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I want Russia and Assad to win in Syria to stop this civil war.
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I dont see Russia as an enemy StickyVicky..but our government does, we are conducting a war of economic sanctions
against them.....because of the situation in Ukraine. I have some sympathy for Ukraine because they are caught in a war of power politics between the US and Russia. Gorbachov should never have allowed the break up of the Soviet Union, although he was honour bound to stop supporting communist regimes in Eastern European countries. I think Gorbachov betrayed Russia, all the Russians really wanted was a bit more capitalism which he should have allowed, he did. But he went too far after that. |
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a quarter were Saudis
..aren't they supposed to be allies of ours? |
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I'm guessing Naydam is near the top of that list of 22,000
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you will find at least half a dozen from here on it
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250,000 people have died because we did nothing.
The main reason we did nothing is because a load of lefty anti-whatever the West does merchants would have been up in arms at us overtly interfering in another Middle-Eastern country so soon after the Iraq shambles. The same lefty mob who turned on their great white hope, Blair. |
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Why do you keep making it a left or right issue all the time?
What right did we ever had to be in any Middle Eastern country in the first place, none that I can see. We attack Assad we tell Russia to F*ck off...what would that achieve? |
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Why do you keep making it a left or right issue all the time?
Because left wingers, who are now saying we should have intervened in Syria, would have been the first to have taken to the streets in numbers to protest against any action if we had. They tend to be prodigiously endowed with the gift of hindsight and willing to twist any scenario into one which would blame the West for the consequences of any action or inaction, depending on which decision had actually been made with all available information to hand at the time. |
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I hope Naveed isn't on there.
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Because left wingers, who are now saying we should have intervened in Syria, would have been the first to have taken to the streets in numbers to protest against any action if we had.
I see...well I dont. I see collusion between our two parties over the Middle East. My objection is to all of Western interference in the Middle East starting at the first Gulf war.....looking at the cumulative death toll I see this as an atrocity. How we end this civil war in Syria well that is a tricky one?...but Europe are are paying for this, Muslim Refugees from Syria are pouring into Europe. Why our government and France should have said to the United States in the first place , you want to sort out the Middle East, you do it on your own, we stay neutral.They have a big enough army for it, they never needed us. I watched an old program on the Suez crisis the other week. The United States told this country and France to get out of the Middle East and stay out. A pity we did not take them at their word. |
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OK ebul, I'll bite... so what about your beloved Russkies in all this? I suppose you think they are the cavalry riding in to sort out the mess the baddies in the West have caused. Not that they would have any ulterior motive other than to spread the love.
How come none of the refugees are heading towards Russia? Are they scared of the welcome they will no doubt have got from the socialist nirvana? There's a couple of conundrums for starters. |
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I would not go that far Clousea, but it was not Russia who started all this interference in the Middle East was it, that was us?????????????????
In fact all Russia are doing is potecting their own interest. They make a lot of money out of Assad it is a stratgically important to them to support Assad that is all. The refugees won't head for Russia as they see the West as richer. The Russian people have also seen the terrible problems the West has had dealing with Muslems, which the West has already allowed in, dont expect them to make the same mistake. Also most of the refugees are SUNNI muslims, Russia is supporting the SHIAS. There are aleady lots of Muslims in the West, who will support them. I beleive in a Zoo we keep animals in seperate cages. I suggest we take the same route with ourselves. Muslims stay in their cage, we stay in ours. |
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My spell checker has stopped working, theres Vista for you
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In fact all Russia are doing is potecting their own interest. They make a lot of money out of Assad it is a stratgically important to them to support Assad that is all.
I see... so the Russians are legitimately protecting their own interests whereas the West are sticking their noses in and committing war crimes. |
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well said clouseau
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I see... so the Russians are legitimately protecting their own interests whereas the West are sticking their noses in and committing war crimes.
but that is exactly what has happened is it not |
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How many forumites are on the list?
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