Daves Scaremongering has Started

Touched a nerve I see, the separatists never like the truth up em, lose their little tempers and shout across people.
The Truth Hurts.

I not only have read newspapers, I also wrote for many over the years, so don't talk down to me. Who do you think you are? That's the worst about the internet, it gives a platform to eejits like you, the people who previously bored everybody in the pub. You can't even spell ffs

The problem with you is that you can't debate anything without hurling insults in a foul mouthed manner.

LOL The man who opens with "Scaremongering. They did exactly the same thing in the Scottish referendum and all the old farts and half wits fell for it." - Tries to take the moral high ground. THEN as knows he'll lose every single argument about the case for independence if he goes that way, as it would have ruined Scotland, and even though he's just said that half wits voted against it when those very people have been proved right, he avoids it completely and starts trying to pick up spelling mistakes. Classic internet poor loser behaviour.

Great stuff, keep it coming ;)

That thing impeding your type is your ar*e, which which was just handed to you.

*typing.

Can you write that again in English?

Keep it coming

You illiterate Liberal, Labour, Tory chameleon

Blimey Mac, you do like to cover every eventuality

scaremongering 101:

1. repeat ad infinitum, "leap into the dark"

It's not really a leap into the dark though is it.
In some ways I'm pro EU. There should be two levels of membership.
Merkels b1tch and trading partner.

What i dont get is the people who are worried if we left the eu it would hit them financially, i would rather pay higher taxes and live in democracy where if im not happy i can vote them out.

Most of the people who will vote to stay in don't pay taxes..

Dave says our borders are completely OPEN whatever

Isnt it time immigration control started working properly?

just remember at all times
whatever scare storys cameron comes out with regards security,gorwth,jobs,etc,he was prepared on fri afternoon to let you be wide open to all these things if the EU hadnt given him his piddling child benefit reform,the price on this countrys head was 30 million,about half of what cameron himself is worth,the man is a charade and just to balance the loons up the other oaf who the media kneel before boris after spending every day in office as mayor of london pleading the case for mass imigration is tonight for political convienance going to advocate out,i,d shoot the lot and volunteer to do it

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Cameron's claim that to leave increases our security risk is contradictory. Last month the government said that the free movement of people within the EU was a risk to our security.
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http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmselect/cmeuleg/342-xx/34205.htm

Yesterdays truth is todays nonsense. Orwell saw it coming.

Oooh! Oooh! if we leave the others might bully us. Grow a pair ffs. we've been trading with the world for centuries and no other country, or group of countries, has been able to prevent that.

well put Cooper

Dave s getting really angry
If were OUT
Were OUT

Hope we do leave

We are going to wreck the world economy according the G20

Its worse

Nostradamus has mused
Brexit and the world is NIGH

Like the latest ruse
Frogs to export Calias rejects if we vote OUT

Bring in on LADS

Get the sas out
Blow the vessel out of the water

OUT OUT OUT

Calling in all the favours on this one but realises the fear factor is his best chance of swinging it.

It truly is amazing isn't it?

Even to those with only a vague interest in the Referendum and the political manoeuvring surrounding it, the level of negative campaigning from the 'In' group is overwhelming.

Economically, the précis position seems to be 'the markets don't like change, therefore let's not change'. With the added rider that 'the 'outers' can't tell us what will replace the current situation'.

The 'outers' have, in fact, postulated any number of scenarios that politicians - and remember politicians serve US and we will deliver the mandate to which they will work in June, irrespective of their current position on EEC membership - will have to get on and negotiate after a Brexit.

Of course, the 'In' campaign are remaining very quiet on the other key issue of Immigration.

With Schengen now a busted flush, the cobbled-together EEC reaction, such as it is, seems now to be 'make Turkey deal with it at source' with the 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted' notion (as of this week) appearing to be a wholly impractical 'one in, one out' approach to migrants

Good luck with that project, especially if the price the EEC may have to pay for this complete mismanagement is EEC membership for Turkey (with their appalling human rights record and largely Muslim population).

Cameron has won two (well one and a half) elections and a referendum with lies and scaremongering, and he will win this one too.

Turkey is a big problem and will(if allowed to join) have virtually the same voting strength as Germany. Best of luck with that one. The USA has been a supporter of Turkey joining so has the UK Government.

Seems the only thing that wont happen is

Bruce Willis saving the world

"you can check out anytime you like BUT CAN NEVER LEAVE"

Alistair darling heading Brits In


it's Groundhog Day for us Scots

think putting such a vote to us is very odd.

they have a get out of jail card.....they have to put eea membership to us as a refferendum or decide themselves.

the only difefrence between the eu and eea is farming and fishing decisions.
so shouldnt they have put it down as both in the refferendum.

with the market having reacted to the possibility of brexit....i smell a big dirty rat.

if the eea decision wont be put to us...the odds are the markets recover.

job done.

Daves scaremongering gets BETTER

UK can veto Turkeys eu entry

What a load of CRAP

Coming to you all shortly
TURKISH KEBABS

BOGOF freely available

I fear that Cameron's tactics are working.

He is such a lying bstard, cant veto Turkey, he can only vote against them joining.

The UK, and every other country in the EU can veto any new country joining.

Small "dick "" Dave bringing out his BIG guns

No PENSIONS/NHS

Good god  what will this person do to

BLACKMAIL the country

Needs to be put down

I so agree with your last line oh so lucky

I live on pensions

I will still vote out though

He is just stating the facts.  As far as cuts are concerned pensioners have been fairly sheltered probably because they have lost out through low interest rates.  If they vote for a policy that will crush our economy, they can't expect to be immune from the consequences.

Jun 12, 2016 -- 1:43PM, ImSoLuckyLucky! wrote:

Small "dick "" Dave bringing out his BIG gunsNo PENSIONS/NHSGood god  what will this person do to BLACKMAIL the countryNeeds to be put down

Someone tells it like it is and "needs to be put down".  Typical brexitist.

dave1357 = Cameron

rofl, like I read this forum

err he reads this forum

he is not stating facts, he is lying about pensions.

Please link the legislation that mandates that the government has to increase the oap by the triple lock?

I thought the increase was driven by inflation ?

last year inflation was virtually zero but pensions increased by 2.5% under the triple lock.  Also many private pensions only indexed to 2.5% max so a bout of high inflation would decimate them.

AAHHH, pension envy, is this a new phenomena.

Also if interest rates go up and property prices collapse causing another banking crash, the IMF will probably demand a real cut in pensions in return for a bailout.

People are saying we can no longer trade if we come out the EU...that is rubbish

Other countries need to trade with us otherwise how can they sell anything here.?

There may a short term shock but we will benefit long term...because we can control immigration

we do not have to support so many people.

We don't have to pay the EU anything either.

It is not risk free...nothing in life is, that is worth having

no one with a brain is saying that ebulgery.  Everyone with a brain though understands that if we leave the EU we will face tariff and non-tariff barriers if we don't manage to negotiate some sort of agreement to avoid this.

But as we already have a trade deficit that is helpful to the EU and are 5th biggest economy in the EU how will future negotiations work out? I'd hope good for us and if not - f*ck them.

sorry i believe 5th biggest in the WORLD.

Dave has been lying again.

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/12/british-diplomats-secret-cables-open-1-5-million-turks/

hey Ibrahim I contacted Raheem this morning and told him to check it out and run that story

dave1357
if we leave the EU we will face tariff and non-tariff barriers if we don't manage to negotiate some sort of agreement to avoid this.

But we can impose tariff barriers, so anybody hoping to import into this country will have to do a deal, or they will lose out!

well done BB

I commented on Raheem story on there site and Raheem posted a thanks back

some of the big nationals need to run this story, the damage to Cameron will be enormous

The surveys of voting public have shown the vast majority of the people voting OUT are elderly.
So what does Cameron do ? Comes up with the statement that Pensions will be reduced if we exit Europe.
Cynical, obvious, bullshlt.

Jun 12, 2016 -- 7:40PM, ebulGery wrote:

dave1357if we leave the EU we will face tariff and non-tariff barriers if we don't manage to negotiate some sort of agreement to avoid this. But we can impose tariff barriers, so anybody hoping to import into this country will have to do a deal, or they will lose out!

Yes that's what happens, both lose out.  In all probability some agreement on goods will be reached but the UK will be frozen out of the services market, most of our economy.

Jun 12, 2016 -- 7:19PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:

Dave has been lying again..http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/12/british-diplomats-secret-cables-open-1-5-million-turks/

In what regard?  He said Britain had a veto on Turkey joining the EU which is entirely truthful.  He didn't even go to the even more interesting point that the EU's proposed visa free travel deal with Turkey (which only applies if certain conditions are met) only applies to schengen - so not the UK.

So you trust Dave who once said he would pave the road from Ankara to Brussels ?

that's where you're wrong dave as the story would tell you. Secret papers have been leaked in Brussels confirming Cameron has agreed to issue Turkey with 1 million travel visas if we vote remain, Turkey have insisted on this concession for their continued help with the migrant crisis.

Most people old enough to remember Black Wednesday, when the clever ba$tards in Europe dreamt up the ERM as a forerunner to the Euro currency, we got royally fcked by a Hungarian  born American currency trader, within panicked filled hours interest rates went up to 12% then up again to 15% then back to 12, finally settling at 10%.

Historians widely agree that although painful it was the best thing to happen to the country, and within 5 years the tories were able to hand over a greatly improved, strong economy to Blair/Brown and we all know what those 2 knobheeds did with it.

The point is we have lived through a few recessions since the 80s, dopey Dave doesn't understand he can't frighten us. He could not be more wrong and out of touch,

dave1357  • June 12, 2016 8:24 PM BST 
Jun 12, 2016 -- 7:40PM, ebulGery wrote:


dave1357if we leave the EU we will face tariff and non-tariff barriers if we don't manage to negotiate some sort of agreement to avoid this. But we can impose tariff barriers, so anybody hoping to import into this country will have to do a deal, or they will lose out!
Yes that's what happens, both lose out.  In all probability some agreement on goods will be reached but the UK will be frozen out of the services market, most of our economy.

I am not on expert. But if we have exactly the same terms with all countries in Europe we have now..no mutual tariffs?

We would be in the same position as we are now but without paying into the EU. If countries freeze us out of the service sector we can

freeze them out in the goods or other sectors sector. I am not expert enough to work through all the figures I admit.

There is the question of companies, Japanese, who make stuff here to import into Europe without tariffs. They could still import tariff

free into Europe into countries we have a no mutual tariffs agreement with.

Is this too good to be true??

Added bonus, we can control our immigration. Eases the cost on own infrastructure, our people get to work.

I think he can frighten us boxingthefox, but I hope you are right.

The reality is, the referendum vote has turned into a vote against Cameron and the Tory government.

Simply if we are a net contributor to the EU taking everything into account, we are better off out.

If we are a net recipient taking everything into account we are better off staying in.

I doubt there is anywhere we can find these figures unfortunately.

If we vote leave, I think Tories will remain in power Facts, Boris will take over. If we remain Cameron will stay, but will be replaced before
next election.

Osborne

It can never be efficient to have 2 layers of governments, we need less politicians not more.

The EU employ 85k people, dread to think of the costs.

The point is we have lived through a few recessions since the 80s, dopey Dave doesn't understand he can't frighten us. He could not be more wrong and out of touch,

Good point Boxing - id guess Dave's aiming at the younger or new foreigners entering
the country,
I think some of the scaremongering/ angles he's come in from is disgusting!
Even if we remain he's shown his true colors - Hopefully we're out & he resigns.

Enter Boris

Certainly younger people might be frightened, but I have yet to meet anyone over 50 who is swallowing his bullcrap, they are just annoyed with him and the whole campaign, and can't wait to vote out. I live in the Midands but visit my Daughter in london and see many old friends when I'm there, so I'm not just cherry picking here, a lot of them are Tories through and through and can't wait to get rid of the lying fecker who they see as destroying their own party and trying to do the same to the country. Their words not mine.

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The reality is, the referendum vote has turned into a vote against Cameron and the Tory government.

That's a good point Facts...never thought of it like that

I have never really been interested in voting but this subject is getting me really excited, im voting at 7am on the 23rd, my mate gets married on the Friday and if we vote out i am having the biggest party ever that weekend, cant wait.

on the news now.

A US citizen from Afghan decent

Talk about a slur on the American public - without even mentioning the M word

Dave using the taxing 'hard working families' routine again.FFS

Jun 12, 2016 -- 9:47PM, ebulGery wrote:

dave1357  • June 12, 2016 8:24 PM BST  Jun 12, 2016 -- 7:40PM, ebulGery wrote:dave1357if we leave the EU we will face tariff and non-tariff barriers if we don't manage to negotiate some sort of agreement to avoid this. But we can impose tariff barriers, so anybody hoping to import into this country will have to do a deal, or they will lose out!Yes that's what happens, both lose out.  In all probability some agreement on goods will be reached but the UK will be frozen out of the services market, most of our economy. I am not on expert. But if we have exactly the same terms with all countries in Europe we have now..no mutual tariffs?We would be in the same position as we are now but without paying into the EU. If countries freeze us out of the service sector we canfreeze them out in the goods or other sectors sector. I am not expert enough to work through all the figures I admit.There is the question of companies, Japanese, who make stuff here to import into Europe without tariffs. They could still import tarifffree into Europe into countries we have a no mutual tariffs agreement with.Is this too good to be true??Added bonus, we can control our immigration. Eases the cost on own infrastructure, our people get to work.

You can't freeze them out of goods if you have agreed a trade deal on goods.  The UK will be entirely blocked from euro area financial services.

Saying that though, one show i watched had a nutter bird on that wanted to
remain because she didn't want Cameron making decisions - preferred the EU to make them

Dave you talk bull, entirely blocked, how do you know that ?

their is no way on earth companies that rule countries will want to stop trading with 5th biggest economy in the world.

You can't freeze them out of goods if you have agreed a trade deal on goods.  The UK will be entirely blocked from euro area financial services.

we negotiate everything together surely?

The single market freedoms are goods services labour and capital.  We will not be in the single market so we will be subject to tariffs and other barriers.  That doesn't mean that trade will stop, just that we will be treated like stray dogs and offered scraps of foods from the main table in the form of some deals in goods, so our cars might get across the channel without an advance payment of duty and vat.  Of course brexit say we will be trading with the world, but they can't produce any countries who have shown the least interest in this plan.

@ibrahimsonko

The claim that the outcome will be fine because Britain is the fifth-largest economy in the world is technically wrong, a non sequitur and a fundamental misreading of history. It is hard to think of a worse argument’ (Chris Giles, Economics Editor, Financial Times, 4 May 2016).

I can see it getting nasty if out don't win.

2 people i've come across that said they want to remain have been
asked why by outs angrily - thats how we feel call me Dave

go to the collective... let the wise ones of europe lead you into the abertoire.

message from hypno dave.

Has the world ended yet?

The remain party are a disgrace

Trading post Brexit will be equivalent of being in the europa league.  Not plying our trade in the much more lucrative Champions League.  We will be steaming up windows with our fingers very much pressed up against the glass.  Begging for Brussels to allow us to be back in.

I'm voting Remain. I totally believe David Cameron when he says our ecomomy will shrink by 6% and income tax will have to rise by 2%.

According to our Beloved Leader, there will be no yolks in our eggs, no butter for our bread, no milk for our tea.


I'm scared. No, I'm terrified.

Ps why doesn't a broadcaster show 'Brexit the Movie'?

An awesome documentary if you have the time.

Reported in the telegraph

More DIRECT taxes from the EU

Air taxes,lite/heating and petrol taxes

Well they need the money to plug the BIG fecking hole

more lies from dave

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https://www.gov.uk/government/world/organisations/british-embassy-ankara

Dave

Just RESIGN

Your AN idiot

Cameron and Osborne will not be leading the Tories after the referendum

Will be rewarded with high paid job in the eu.

Even the remain people must detest all the lies he a put out, looks like a man with no morals.

Very true Cameron does not know what morals are

In Nov 2015 Cameron tells us we would have nothing to fear from leaving EU because our economy is so strong. 6 months later he tells us the complete opposite.
1n his 2005 maifesto he tells us that uncontrolled immigration at current levels is unsustainable so will introduce an Australian points based system to control it. In 2016 he tells us such a system would destroy our economy.
He tells us that if we stay in the EU controlling immigration will be "very challenging" which seems to be Davespeak for impossible.
He refuses to say he will veto Turkey's joining the EU.

And we thought Blair was slippery and untrustworthy?

Come on dave

Fall on your SWORD

The French government has slapped down suggestions that, after Brexit, they will scrap a deal with the UK placing border checks in France and insuring illegal migrants are not waved across the English Channel.
Under a bilateral treaty signed in 2003, known as the Le Touquet accord, British officials can check passports in France and vice-versa.

During the referendum campaign, however, David Cameron suggested the deal could be scrapped, bring the illegal migrant camps from Calais to Kent. He was accused of “scaremongering” and “project fear”.

“But the border is where it is… there are bilateral agreements that are very important…” said French foreign minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, this Friday when asked about the possibility of ending Le Touquet.

“Would that also mean putting in place boats for people who otherwise risk drowning? I think we should be serious,” he added in an interview publish on a government website.

The Le Touquet accord was made independently of the European Union (EU), between the British and French governments.

Illegal migrants trying to enter Britain are kept in Europe, with many choosing to stay in the ‘Jungle’ camp from where they launch clandestine attempts to enter the UK in the back of lorries or hidden in ferries.

Following Mr. Ayrault’s instant dismissal of the prospect of scrapping this system, a spokesman for the government, Stéphane Le Foll, reaffirmed the French government’s position.

“The output of the United Kingdom of the European Union does not modify the Franco-British bilateral treaties on immigration,” he told Le Figaro on Friday.

Despite the government’s clear position, the Mayor of Calais and other local politicians have said they want Le Touquet reconsidered.

“The British people have chosen to take back their freedom, they must take back their borders,” Xavier Bertrand, head of the Hauts-de-France region that includes the Calais camp, told the Telegraph.

“Boris Johnson wanted change and he got it with Brexit. So do we”, he added.

Cameron will go down as one of the most disastrous prime ministers in British history.