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15 Feb 16
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not another one for goodness sake, wish they would pipe down, selfish people very often....I suppose that's not acceptable now.
We all have our ups and downs.
Can't cope with them? How terrible for you.
Can't cope with them? How terrible for you.
Joleon Lescott had a better way of dealing with them over the weekend..
If the guy has mental illness that's an ongoing fact of his daily lie and for many can be extremely debilitating. Not very nice for him and less nice that fools hiding behind their computers seek to make fun of him because of it. Pathetic.
The Leopard 15 Feb 16 22:07
Trolls had a go at him.
Yes they did. Just as they are doing on this thread. People's sheer ignorance of mental health issues
Is staggering.
Trolls had a go at him.
Yes they did. Just as they are doing on this thread. People's sheer ignorance of mental health issues
Is staggering.
Dr Crappen
One of the biggest trolls on Betfair. Congratulations.
One of the biggest trolls on Betfair. Congratulations.
Well that's an improvement from Facts.
He's answered one of my posts without being offensive in an obscene way.
Well almost.
He's answered one of my posts without being offensive in an obscene way.
Well almost.
yeah they`re depressed and will never miss a chance to let everyone around them know it.
Will be prepared to make the lives of others hell, family members who have no refuge from it, in their relentless madness and misery.
Will be prepared to make the lives of others hell, family members who have no refuge from it, in their relentless madness and misery.
Increased awareness of mental stability can only be a good thing.
Depression is a chemical imbalance; and although too easily trotted out by non sufferers, for those who genuinely have the illness deserve our sympathy and not be subjected to narrow minded insults.
Depression is a chemical imbalance; and although too easily trotted out by non sufferers, for those who genuinely have the illness deserve our sympathy and not be subjected to narrow minded insults.
Anyone stupid enough to equate mental illness with cancer I will try to make this simple..you do not have to fear someone with cancer.
The strange thing is that depression only seems to affect certain groups of people.
You don't see many time workers who depend on their wages and don't get paid when they're not at work getting it, or the self employed.
They don't get paid when they're not at work so they just get on with it.
Unless they have a family and get more on benefits, then they tend to suffer from depression.
I'll accept that many cases of depression are very serious and will completely incapacitate the suffers.
Others play it up to get more benefits or in the case of Fry to simply draw attention to himself and make money from it.
For what other reasons would he have for telling the world about it?
You don't see many time workers who depend on their wages and don't get paid when they're not at work getting it, or the self employed.
They don't get paid when they're not at work so they just get on with it.
Unless they have a family and get more on benefits, then they tend to suffer from depression.
I'll accept that many cases of depression are very serious and will completely incapacitate the suffers.
Others play it up to get more benefits or in the case of Fry to simply draw attention to himself and make money from it.
For what other reasons would he have for telling the world about it?
To help raise awareness? To tell those who have mental health problems that if successful people have it therefore it isn't their "fault". One thing I can say with absolute certainty during my brief stint working in hospital with the worst affected people is that mental health problems affected people from all walks of life. The worst thing I could say about personal responsibility is that things like drugs were more likely to exacerbate any underlying tendency towards difficulties.
As for fearing people with mental illness in the majority of cases you don't have to fear them. Some you do. Unfortunately it is attitudes like that which cause the stigma associated with mental health problems. Far more could and should be done to help people with such problems and the single biggest thing isn't to pay your ten bob to point and laugh but to actually care about the welfare of friends, neighbours and other people in society who are blighted by such health problems.
As for fearing people with mental illness in the majority of cases you don't have to fear them. Some you do. Unfortunately it is attitudes like that which cause the stigma associated with mental health problems. Far more could and should be done to help people with such problems and the single biggest thing isn't to pay your ten bob to point and laugh but to actually care about the welfare of friends, neighbours and other people in society who are blighted by such health problems.
^ EE in taking sense shocker !
Yes, drug use must be causing thousands of cases of mental health problems( as admitted by trilby22 and dustybin) but a certain proportion will be using drugs as self-medication.
Yes, drug use must be causing thousands of cases of mental health problems( as admitted by trilby22 and dustybin) but a certain proportion will be using drugs as self-medication.
as admitted by trilby22 and dustybin
Maybe should read : "as evidenced on Twitch thread"
Maybe should read : "as evidenced on Twitch thread"
Is everyone that gets down a manic depressive/bipolar? If not can those that don’t get a proper diagnosis be dismissed as weak? Similar thing with dyslexia. What if you can’t spell or do maths and that and struggle in exams but don’t get diagnosed with dyslexia? I mean not all thick children are dyslexic are they, some are just thick whereas dyslexics aren’t. They’re dyslexic.
Fwiw I like Stephen Fry and he doesn’t really drone on and on about it (or his homosexuality) just 2 programmes in 10 years. He no doubt answers questions about it when asked and if people want to put that in newspapers that is up to them, if people read it it is also up to them. When Stephen Fry speaks, I listen though.
Fwiw I like Stephen Fry and he doesn’t really drone on and on about it (or his homosexuality) just 2 programmes in 10 years. He no doubt answers questions about it when asked and if people want to put that in newspapers that is up to them, if people read it it is also up to them. When Stephen Fry speaks, I listen though.
education and awareness?
They let him work for free on these programmes.
I think if that were the case, you'd find his eagerness for education and awareness would quickly evaporate.
If he were as ill as many are who have these mental problems, he wouldn't be capable of making programmes about it.
They let him work for free on these programmes.
I think if that were the case, you'd find his eagerness for education and awareness would quickly evaporate.
If he were as ill as many are who have these mental problems, he wouldn't be capable of making programmes about it.
He comes across to me as just a great big baby.
He's educated, he's successful, he's a comedian, he hosts panel shows, he writes books and makes television programmes.
If he'd got a fraction of the problems he keeps bleating about how on earth could he nave achieved so much?
What does he do - turn it on and off at will?
He's educated, he's successful, he's a comedian, he hosts panel shows, he writes books and makes television programmes.
If he'd got a fraction of the problems he keeps bleating about how on earth could he nave achieved so much?
What does he do - turn it on and off at will?
Seems he brings on his problems sometimes by taking on too much work....did you see prog.?
lfc1971 16 Feb 16 07:49
Anyone stupid enough to equate mental illness with cancer I will try to make this simple..you do not have to fear someone with cancer.
Why should you fear someone suffering from mental illness ? The fact that they may be unpredictable and do stupid and irrational things - including violence.?
In that case ,I assume you're afraid of everyone who gets drunk ?
Anyone stupid enough to equate mental illness with cancer I will try to make this simple..you do not have to fear someone with cancer.
Why should you fear someone suffering from mental illness ? The fact that they may be unpredictable and do stupid and irrational things - including violence.?
In that case ,I assume you're afraid of everyone who gets drunk ?
Dr Crappen
Are you really as stupid as you are appearing. ?
Your posts on this thread defy rationalisation.
You must be trolling, purely for the sheer reason you want to court controversy and get attention.
You sad git.
Are you really as stupid as you are appearing. ?
Your posts on this thread defy rationalisation.
You must be trolling, purely for the sheer reason you want to court controversy and get attention.
You sad git.
There is a fine line between genius/intelligent creative people, and madness/depression and destructive behaviour. In the past Stephen Fry has shown all these. Just that fine line between genius and insanity.
There's that flash of temper from Facts again.
If anyone suffers from mental problems it is Facts.
If anyone suffers from mental problems it is Facts.
Many depressed people like Facts get diagnosed as ''anxiety hystericals.''
Sometimes defined as those who are unable to express themselves sexually.
The flash temper, the sadistic urge to inflict pain on others through their own lack of being able to express themselves, is a common trait amongst these individuals.
Fortunately there's a very good remedy for this, and I'd prescribe it especially for Facts.
It is in layman's terms - a damn good hiding.
Sometimes defined as those who are unable to express themselves sexually.
The flash temper, the sadistic urge to inflict pain on others through their own lack of being able to express themselves, is a common trait amongst these individuals.
Fortunately there's a very good remedy for this, and I'd prescribe it especially for Facts.
It is in layman's terms - a damn good hiding.
You couldn't bet the odds on that Facts would have mental problems.
Similarly you couldn't bet the odds on that Facts is claiming for these problems.
Expect the amount of claims to soar when those war traumatised migrants get in.
The British mentally ill will have to move to one side whilst these new citizens get treatment.
Similarly you couldn't bet the odds on that Facts is claiming for these problems.
Expect the amount of claims to soar when those war traumatised migrants get in.
The British mentally ill will have to move to one side whilst these new citizens get treatment.
^ I knew it wouldn't take long for Borneo to steer the conversation back to Migrants 
You really have become an intolerable, repeditive bore, Sir.
You really have become an intolerable, repeditive bore, Sir.
This thread has revealed some truly nasty sorts.
I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but can't help wonder whether their views might be different if they had a loved one with these type of problems?
I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but can't help wonder whether their views might be different if they had a loved one with these type of problems?
Dr C
seriously hope you never encounter depression.
Can have devastating effects.
seriously hope you never encounter depression.
Can have devastating effects.
I did suffer from depression on one occasion - I took an Aspirin for it with a glass of water.
You Sir, are a cuunnt of the 7th Dan - and I use that word pretty sparingly.
The lives of my immediate family have been irreversibly blighted by the mental health issues of just one of the members. I was going to ask would you mock the struggle of cancer, MS or cerebral palsy sufferers in the same way, but I imagine the answer would be yes. Deeply unpleasant behaviour.
The lives of my immediate family have been irreversibly blighted by the mental health issues of just one of the members. I was going to ask would you mock the struggle of cancer, MS or cerebral palsy sufferers in the same way, but I imagine the answer would be yes. Deeply unpleasant behaviour.
Yes DO, but I can't understand why you have to be so rude
There are degrees of how people are affected by depression.
At the one end of the scale as I've already said, a person can be completely incapacitated by depression for long periods.
And at he other, a lesser bout of depression can be shrugged off quite easily by time and a few good night's rest.
Why you have to get so upset over an issue like this is a mystery to me.
There are degrees of how people are affected by depression.
At the one end of the scale as I've already said, a person can be completely incapacitated by depression for long periods.
And at he other, a lesser bout of depression can be shrugged off quite easily by time and a few good night's rest.
Why you have to get so upset over an issue like this is a mystery to me.
People with mental health issues wreck the lives of all those around them. They are the most selfish and uncaring individuals and elderly parents, even ill and frail themselves can have their lives tormented by these relatives.
There is no other solution but to stay as far away as possible from them, they will be merciless in their attempt to create chaos.
There is no other solution but to stay as far away as possible from them, they will be merciless in their attempt to create chaos.
People with mental health issues wreck the lives of all those around them.
Certainly true
They are the most selfish and uncaring individuals
No, they are ill.
There is no other solution but to stay as far away as possible from them,
Well, whilst not technically a 'solution', I can see how this might suit some people.
they will be merciless in their attempt to create chaos.
Again, they're ill. I'm sure in the majority of cases, if they could appreciate the chaos they cause, they would be mortified.
Certainly true
They are the most selfish and uncaring individuals
No, they are ill.
There is no other solution but to stay as far away as possible from them,
Well, whilst not technically a 'solution', I can see how this might suit some people.
they will be merciless in their attempt to create chaos.
Again, they're ill. I'm sure in the majority of cases, if they could appreciate the chaos they cause, they would be mortified.
lfc there are lots of different mental illness to generalise like you have done is simply ridiculos
A truly appalling thread. Populated by some known sick posters/ trolls. Disgusting.
mental illness is running riot in our heads in quite a few of us 
- i was told a lot of it stems back to the hat factories 
- i was told a lot of it stems back to the hat factories
And now pig ignorant TheBerk, joins dopey Desmond Orchard the foul mouthed idiot with a chip on his shoulder because he's three parts off his rocker.
What a pair of serial losers.
I'd shade TheBerk in the totally brain dead stakes, but it's a close call.
What a pair of serial losers.
I'd shade TheBerk in the totally brain dead stakes, but it's a close call.
You've got mental issues as well haven't you TheBerk?
That's pretty standard for a piece of filth like you.
That's pretty standard for a piece of filth like you.
Or sometimes
The piece of filth who calls himself TheBaron
The piece of filth who calls himself TheBaron
Oh dear can't even think of an original insult Tut tut...up your game sonny
That's plenty good enough to see off the likes of you.
Now go and have a drink and cry yourself to sleep.
Now go and have a drink and cry yourself to sleep.
Have you had therapy for your "little problem"...not successful was it?
It's taken you 8 minutes to think that up you thick ****.
You're out of your depth on here coming the acid.
You're out of your depth on here coming the acid.
When I say "problem" I'm sure you would regard it as a perfectly natural interest.
Go and get dressed you obnoxious fart, before your dad comes home from work and catches you in bed with your little sister.
Again.
Again.
Still looking for vulnerable young mothers as tenants...hope your not still taking payment in kind?
Is everyone that gets down a manic depressive/bipolar?
No Rob. Depression is a condition in itself. Getting down has nothing to do even with depression. Specifically in relation to getting down and depression it's a bit like comparing a cold with the flu. If you're in bed feeling off with a heavy cold and someone tells you there is a £20 note sat in your garden you'd get up grab it and head off back to bed. If you've got the flu you may not even register what the are going on about and you wouldn't be getting out of bed to go outside. That's the difference between being down and depressed. Depression can last for a long time, sometimes months or even longer.
Manic depression/bipolar can be extremely debilitating even if treated well. My neighbour has it and life is a constant difficulty for him. I remember being on placement for eight weeks on the mental health ward and there was an opera singer there because her depression was such that she didn't get out of bed to do anything, be it eat, wash or even speak to people. This had been ongoing for some time before I arrived and then after about four or five weeks of my placement she started to come up until a few days later when she began to sing. After that point you couldn't shut her up. She was singing all night. Thankfully medications have moved on since these times and the condition is better managed.
Not wishing to get too technical but there are all manner of conditions that it simply isn't possible to take a broad brush approach to in diagnosis and treatment. Some people have an illness. A bit like a broken leg. You have the illness and then you get better. Other people have a disorder which forms part of their personality and despite improvements in treatment it forms a part of who they are. Personality disorders can be very disruptive for the person and loved ones. They're still human being who deserve compassion even though their condition can make them extremely trying and hurtful to themselves and those around them.
I remember as part of my degree looking into the Christopher Clunis case and it was a perfect illustration of hat happens when you proclaim you are moving to a care in the community system of help and don't put the resources into providing the case aspect.
Walk a mile in their shoes.
No Rob. Depression is a condition in itself. Getting down has nothing to do even with depression. Specifically in relation to getting down and depression it's a bit like comparing a cold with the flu. If you're in bed feeling off with a heavy cold and someone tells you there is a £20 note sat in your garden you'd get up grab it and head off back to bed. If you've got the flu you may not even register what the are going on about and you wouldn't be getting out of bed to go outside. That's the difference between being down and depressed. Depression can last for a long time, sometimes months or even longer.
Manic depression/bipolar can be extremely debilitating even if treated well. My neighbour has it and life is a constant difficulty for him. I remember being on placement for eight weeks on the mental health ward and there was an opera singer there because her depression was such that she didn't get out of bed to do anything, be it eat, wash or even speak to people. This had been ongoing for some time before I arrived and then after about four or five weeks of my placement she started to come up until a few days later when she began to sing. After that point you couldn't shut her up. She was singing all night. Thankfully medications have moved on since these times and the condition is better managed.
Not wishing to get too technical but there are all manner of conditions that it simply isn't possible to take a broad brush approach to in diagnosis and treatment. Some people have an illness. A bit like a broken leg. You have the illness and then you get better. Other people have a disorder which forms part of their personality and despite improvements in treatment it forms a part of who they are. Personality disorders can be very disruptive for the person and loved ones. They're still human being who deserve compassion even though their condition can make them extremely trying and hurtful to themselves and those around them.
I remember as part of my degree looking into the Christopher Clunis case and it was a perfect illustration of hat happens when you proclaim you are moving to a care in the community system of help and don't put the resources into providing the case aspect.
Walk a mile in their shoes.
As well as being a Leeds supporter Hanks. When my time comes I fully expect to hear St Peter singing, Marching On Together as I walk up to the Pearly Gates.
For those of you taking the piss on this matter just be grateful you haven't been affected by it or have a close family member with it.
You Sir, are a cuunnt of the 7th Dan - and I use that word pretty sparingly.
is my highlight
is my highlight
Just calling it as I see it Brendan. I'm not given to such language, but sometimes only the strongest will do.
As regards the 'Dopey' epithet, Crippen (imaginative stuff, by the way, congratulations on coming up with a mildly insulting term that starts with the same letter as my username), only one of us thinks that depression can be cured with an aspirin and a glass of water - and since your username also begins with a D........
As regards the 'Dopey' epithet, Crippen (imaginative stuff, by the way, congratulations on coming up with a mildly insulting term that starts with the same letter as my username), only one of us thinks that depression can be cured with an aspirin and a glass of water - and since your username also begins with a D........
I'm not given to such language
He's just generally a foul-mouthed piece of craap.
He's just generally a foul-mouthed piece of craap.
The very definition of irony.
Although I'm reluctant to downgrade my initial impression of you for mocking those with mental health issues, as you're also clearly not the sharpest tool in the box, perhaps pity might be more appropriate?
Although I'm reluctant to downgrade my initial impression of you for mocking those with mental health issues, as you're also clearly not the sharpest tool in the box, perhaps pity might be more appropriate?
Shut up Dopey Desmond, before you lose your temper again.
brendanuk1 has gone quiet.
What can he only manage one sentence at a time?
What can he only manage one sentence at a time?
Seriously? That's your retort? "Shut up"?
I'm actually embarrassed for you.
I'm actually embarrassed for you.
We didn't win two World Wars, by being depressed (Fawlty Towers) used to be my standard reply, but I've seen a couple of bad cases in the last year or two, and not to be treated lightly.
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