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So what can we eat knowing the animal hasn't disgustingly
had it's throat cut while still alive in 2016.
KEBABS, INDIANS AND FRIED CHICKEN
It is fair to say that every kebab shop will serve halal lamb and chicken, if for no other reason than that the kebab is a middle-eastern invention. The kebab meat will be sourced from specialist suppliers, and if any of them are not Muslim, it would be very surprising. The same goes for curry houses. Most ‘Indian’ restaurants are in fact run by Muslims, not Hindus, and any restaurant run by Muslims will serve up halal lamb and chicken and will not announce the fact on the menu
THE RESTAURANT TRADE
Halal chicken and lamb are likely to emerge from the kitchens in Harvester, Toby, Beefeater and Brewers Fayre restaurants. Whitbread, who own the latter two along with Premier Inns, have admitted that three-quarters of their poultry is halal. Mitchells and Butlers are responsible for Harvester, Toby and TravelLodge. They told Christian Voice that New Zealand lamb – of which 75% is halal – is being used as well as halal chicken in their outlets.
why are we being forced into eating Halal?
it has no place in this country, surely any restaurant chain
is putting their business at risk by catering for what we're told
is a small % of the poulation?
had it's throat cut while still alive in 2016.
KEBABS, INDIANS AND FRIED CHICKEN
It is fair to say that every kebab shop will serve halal lamb and chicken, if for no other reason than that the kebab is a middle-eastern invention. The kebab meat will be sourced from specialist suppliers, and if any of them are not Muslim, it would be very surprising. The same goes for curry houses. Most ‘Indian’ restaurants are in fact run by Muslims, not Hindus, and any restaurant run by Muslims will serve up halal lamb and chicken and will not announce the fact on the menu
THE RESTAURANT TRADE
Halal chicken and lamb are likely to emerge from the kitchens in Harvester, Toby, Beefeater and Brewers Fayre restaurants. Whitbread, who own the latter two along with Premier Inns, have admitted that three-quarters of their poultry is halal. Mitchells and Butlers are responsible for Harvester, Toby and TravelLodge. They told Christian Voice that New Zealand lamb – of which 75% is halal – is being used as well as halal chicken in their outlets.
why are we being forced into eating Halal?
it has no place in this country, surely any restaurant chain
is putting their business at risk by catering for what we're told
is a small % of the poulation?
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Halal is a dead story (almost literally). Even the RSPCA aren't interested anymore. 90% and rising of Halal killed animals are pre stunned making their death pretty much identical to usual methods. How was your roast chicken lunch today?
Most supermarket chicken is gassed!
Most supermarket chicken is gassed!
why the change though?
wheres the demand? did the population have a vote on it?
wheres the demand? did the population have a vote on it?
.
http://secularfood.com/secular-non-halal-restaurants/
http://secularfood.com/secular-non-halal-restaurants/
A customer at a Leicester branch of KFC has said he was “shocked” when he was refused a hand-wipe as it might offend other restaurant-goers.
Graham Noakes, 41, said he was astonished when staff at the fast food chain’s outlet in St George’s retail park refused to give him a hand-wipe because it was against its Halal policy.
Staff said this was because the wipes are soaked in an alcohol-infused liquid. Alcohol is forbidden in the Muslim Holy book, the Quran.
The Leicester-based Federation of Muslim Organisations has called the decision “bizarre”.
Graham said: “They told me it might offend other customers.
“I explained that it wouldn’t affect me. In fact - I told them I like alcohol, so it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest.
“When they wouldn’t give me one, I was disgusted.
“I will never be going to KFC again.”
The father-of-two added: “I’ve never experienced anything like this before, I couldn’t believe it.
“Why shouldn’t I be allowed a wipe for my hands?
“They use wipes in hospital, what happens when we start being told we can’t have wipes there?
“I just can’t understand it.”
Graham, who lives in Birmingham, is working in Leicester on the construction of a new Muslim community centre in Highfields.
Halal is the Arabic word for ‘lawful’ and relates to what is allowed in the context of Islamic law, but is often used in conjunction with the issue of how meat is dealt with.
A KFC spokesman said the company had been running a halal trial since 2010, in “areas where there has been demand from our customers”, such as the restaurant in St George’s Retail Park.
He said that as a result “a small number of products from our usual menu are not available”, and in addition the St George’s branch had decided not to stock wet wipes that contain alcohol”.
The Mercury understands that the branch is waiting for its stock of alcohol-based wipes to be replaced with lemon-based wipes.
The spokesman added: “Wherever possible, we have taken steps to ensure that our halal restaurants are close to a non-halal store to cater to all of our customers' needs, and, in this case, customers wanting a non-halal option can visit our nearby restaurant in Braunstone.”
https://www.facebook.com/BoycottHalalRestaurantsTakeaways/
Graham Noakes, 41, said he was astonished when staff at the fast food chain’s outlet in St George’s retail park refused to give him a hand-wipe because it was against its Halal policy.
Staff said this was because the wipes are soaked in an alcohol-infused liquid. Alcohol is forbidden in the Muslim Holy book, the Quran.
The Leicester-based Federation of Muslim Organisations has called the decision “bizarre”.
Graham said: “They told me it might offend other customers.
“I explained that it wouldn’t affect me. In fact - I told them I like alcohol, so it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest.
“When they wouldn’t give me one, I was disgusted.
“I will never be going to KFC again.”
The father-of-two added: “I’ve never experienced anything like this before, I couldn’t believe it.
“Why shouldn’t I be allowed a wipe for my hands?
“They use wipes in hospital, what happens when we start being told we can’t have wipes there?
“I just can’t understand it.”
Graham, who lives in Birmingham, is working in Leicester on the construction of a new Muslim community centre in Highfields.
Halal is the Arabic word for ‘lawful’ and relates to what is allowed in the context of Islamic law, but is often used in conjunction with the issue of how meat is dealt with.
A KFC spokesman said the company had been running a halal trial since 2010, in “areas where there has been demand from our customers”, such as the restaurant in St George’s Retail Park.
He said that as a result “a small number of products from our usual menu are not available”, and in addition the St George’s branch had decided not to stock wet wipes that contain alcohol”.
The Mercury understands that the branch is waiting for its stock of alcohol-based wipes to be replaced with lemon-based wipes.
The spokesman added: “Wherever possible, we have taken steps to ensure that our halal restaurants are close to a non-halal store to cater to all of our customers' needs, and, in this case, customers wanting a non-halal option can visit our nearby restaurant in Braunstone.”
https://www.facebook.com/BoycottHalalRestaurantsTakeaways/
That great book the quran raises it's ugly head again.
the great book apparently said do not give out wet wipes in kfc if soaked
in alcohol!
the great book apparently said do not give out wet wipes in kfc if soaked
in alcohol!
"Stunned isn't the right way to most muslims tho,"
That's an assumption Ron. But anyway, the bottom line is that the vast majority of muslim slaughtermen (or whatever they are called) now pre-stun. What you may find weird is that one of the main tenets of Halal (allowed) slaughter is the avoidance of cruelty to animals.
How was your gassed chicken??
That's an assumption Ron. But anyway, the bottom line is that the vast majority of muslim slaughtermen (or whatever they are called) now pre-stun. What you may find weird is that one of the main tenets of Halal (allowed) slaughter is the avoidance of cruelty to animals.
How was your gassed chicken??
so the muslim way is to cut the animals throat while it's alive
& we're led to believe muslims are happy for it to be stunned & then have
it's throat cut?
something about that religion tells me that wouldn't be acceptable under
their mental guidance?
so are we being taken for idiots by thinking it's stunned but infact it's
killed the normal disgusting halal way?
& we're led to believe muslims are happy for it to be stunned & then have
it's throat cut?
something about that religion tells me that wouldn't be acceptable under
their mental guidance?
so are we being taken for idiots by thinking it's stunned but infact it's
killed the normal disgusting halal way?
Ron - "The Food Standards Agency (FSA) animal welfare survey undertaken in abattoirs across Great Britain during one week in September 2013 showed around 84 per cent of animals slaughtered by the Halal method were stunned before slaughter"
Source - RSPCA Website
You don't eat chicken then
.
Source - RSPCA Website
You don't eat chicken then
.
Stun a Mussie and cut its throat to see how they like it !
If an animal is stunned and then has its throat cut, the only real difference between that and the standard slaughter process is that the slaughterman recites a prayer. By the way gassing chickens or your Christmas Turkey is not Halal (allowed) as it offends the animal cruelty rules.
It's more to do with why is there the need for it if
the population that want to eat halal is so small.
I eat meat but could easily do without it if the only way it
was killed was by having it's throat cut whilst still alive
the population that want to eat halal is so small.
I eat meat but could easily do without it if the only way it
was killed was by having it's throat cut whilst still alive
Fair point Ron, and of course the population is relatively small being limited to Jews and Muslims. As a simple farmer (with some knowledge of slaughterhouse procedures) it seems the key bit is the ritual (prayers and that). If pre-stunning is in operation, the process is virtually identical. Stunning doesnt kill the animal (the clue is in the name) what kills it is the cutting process afterwards. That of course assumes that it is not a chicken, turkey or intensively reared duck, then they are mostly gassed. Still you are happy with that process
) what kills it is the cutting process afterwards. That of course assumes that it is not a chicken, turkey or intensively reared duck, then they are mostly gassed. Still you are happy with that process
Last couple of weeks i've been having a serious think, could easily not
eat meat the way i think we're being miss-led into eating this barbaric way.
i'll never eat indian food again! i always wondered why their friendly in restaurants,
the Quran says...
Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way.
eat meat the way i think we're being miss-led into eating this barbaric way.
i'll never eat indian food again! i always wondered why their friendly in restaurants,
the Quran says...
Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way.
blackbarn • February 7, 2016 7:58 PM GMT
If an animal is stunned and then has its throat cut, the only real difference between that and the standard slaughter process is that the slaughterman recites a prayer. By the way gassing chickens or your Christmas Turkey is not Halal (allowed) as it offends the animal cruelty rules
Absolute nonsense. Not allowed because they have to cut it's throat and drain the blood.
If an animal is stunned and then has its throat cut, the only real difference between that and the standard slaughter process is that the slaughterman recites a prayer. By the way gassing chickens or your Christmas Turkey is not Halal (allowed) as it offends the animal cruelty rules
Absolute nonsense. Not allowed because they have to cut it's throat and drain the blood.
Ron - I'll assume you are deliberately trying not to understand?
Anyway, I suggest you get your meat from a local butcher, you can be guaranteed that it will have been stunned before being alive when it had its throat cut. You can also check that his Chickens and Turkeys are simply neck-pulled or head-chopped and not gassed to death (nb - no requirement for pre-stunning of fowl).
Hope this helps.
Anyway, I suggest you get your meat from a local butcher, you can be guaranteed that it will have been stunned before being alive when it had its throat cut. You can also check that his Chickens and Turkeys are simply neck-pulled or head-chopped and not gassed to death (nb - no requirement for pre-stunning of fowl).
Hope this helps.
akabula - you seem to be in violent agreement with me
You missed out dis
Yer kiddin yerself btw if you think that 90% of animals are stunned prior to having their throats cut.
I take the FSA findings with a pinch of salt.
Yer kiddin yerself btw if you think that 90% of animals are stunned prior to having their throats cut.
I take the FSA findings with a pinch of salt.
Halal food is that which adheres to Islamic law
Halal is Arabic for permissible. Halal food is that which adheres to Islamic law, as defined in the Koran.
The Islamic form of slaughtering animals or poultry, dhabiha, involves killing through a cut to the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe.
Animals must be alive and healthy at the time of slaughter and all blood is drained from the carcass. During the process, a Muslim will recite a dedication, know as tasmiya or shahada.
There is debate about elements of halal, such as whether stunning is allowed.
why are supermarkets selling halal? if theres a small % that want it
why are they trying to enforce barbaric ways of eating on us?
Halal is Arabic for permissible. Halal food is that which adheres to Islamic law, as defined in the Koran.
The Islamic form of slaughtering animals or poultry, dhabiha, involves killing through a cut to the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe.
Animals must be alive and healthy at the time of slaughter and all blood is drained from the carcass. During the process, a Muslim will recite a dedication, know as tasmiya or shahada.
There is debate about elements of halal, such as whether stunning is allowed.
why are supermarkets selling halal? if theres a small % that want it
why are they trying to enforce barbaric ways of eating on us?
The problem Ron is with the authorities and those organisations involved in animal welfare.
The RSPCA for instance are a disgrace in what they either accept or turn a blind eye to.
The RSPCA for instance are a disgrace in what they either accept or turn a blind eye to.
aka - The RSPCA were convinced enough to publish the numbers, and the data is from 2013 and this % is substantially higher (according to the RSPCA) than all previously available numbers. One might guess that the % is even higher now, although I think they lump all ritual slaughter together so the numbers may be slanted by the Shechita (Jewish) element.
By the way, which bit of my "By the way gassing chickens or your Christmas Turkey is not Halal (allowed) as it offends the animal cruelty rules" is nonsense.
By the way, which bit of my "By the way gassing chickens or your Christmas Turkey is not Halal (allowed) as it offends the animal cruelty rules" is nonsense.
are you happy to eat halal blackbarn?
im not, & i feel we've been miss-led into eating it over
the last 30+ years putting an exaggerated demand on it.
im not, & i feel we've been miss-led into eating it over
the last 30+ years putting an exaggerated demand on it.
I find it kinda funny , been in Asda a couple times when they reduce all the good stuff , asians swarming around as if they're waiting to grab everything , but none of them eat the meat , they grab all the veg & cr^p instead
The RSPCA are afraid,they are afraid for good reason,you don't mess with the religion of peace.
Religion of peace members are sensitive and get upset easily,this causes them to riot and to threaten death on the ones causing offence.
This sensitivity does not extend to beheading or stoning as this is a spectator sport.
Religion of peace members are sensitive and get upset easily,this causes them to riot and to threaten death on the ones causing offence.
This sensitivity does not extend to beheading or stoning as this is a spectator sport.
Ron - yes absolutely!!. Akabula (as a vegetarian) and myself (as a carnivore) have had many debates on the subject of meat and the killing/eating thereof. I am generally in favour of pre-stunning prior to slaughter but do not believe it makes that much difference. The animal is not dead, and therefore it can be argued that this just delays the death process which is pretty instantaneous via the subsequent cutting process. Remember there are loads of other killing processes that are far more problematic - namely gassing for fowl and poultry.
Re the RSPCA - What is hilarious here is that in previous discussions on Halal, loads of you were quoting the RSPCA's criticism of it as the be all and end all. Now of course when they post some "facts", they cannot be trusted.
For what its worth, I dislike the organisation intensely, largely for their lack of rounded knowledge of the countryside.
For what its worth, I dislike the organisation intensely, largely for their lack of rounded knowledge of the countryside.
When the religion of peace make demands people and groups listen,they listen in the same way as an individual listens to a request from The Mafia.
They know if they don't the result will be the same.
They know if they don't the result will be the same.
So wfb, the RSPCA in 2015 chose to publish a piece of 2013 research by the Food Standards Agency on a relatively unimportant subject in support of, and because of, pressure from Islamic forces. Have you been drinking
Pathetic isn't it wmfb.
Its like we're putting ourselves up for being over-run/defeated.
Are all these lefties must think their heads won't be coming off what
with all the good work they do
Its like we're putting ourselves up for being over-run/defeated.
Are all these lefties must think their heads won't be coming off what
with all the good work they do
Will you be returning to the subject of your post, Ron?, or is the debate over?
It was a simple question in reality.
if meat is stunned then killed why is it halal?
isn't that the normal way in this country?
if meat is stunned then killed why is it halal?
isn't that the normal way in this country?
Most companies fear boycotts,that's why they apologise when some sensitive group get offended.
They fear the commercial consequences.
Ladbrokes stopped selling poppies because a Muslim group objected.
They didnt fear a commercial boycott ( Muslims don't bet ) they capitulated out of a not unreasonable concern for their collective necks.
We know Halal killing is unbelievable cruel,we know how these gents treat humans never mind animals,the RSPCA should be objecting like mad.
They are not because they too have concerns for their necks.
They fear the commercial consequences.
Ladbrokes stopped selling poppies because a Muslim group objected.
They didnt fear a commercial boycott ( Muslims don't bet ) they capitulated out of a not unreasonable concern for their collective necks.
We know Halal killing is unbelievable cruel,we know how these gents treat humans never mind animals,the RSPCA should be objecting like mad.
They are not because they too have concerns for their necks.
this religion is barbaric,
barbaric ways of killing animals fits in perfect.
Muslims are like wasps, you ask yourself why would you even create
such a worthless thing
barbaric ways of killing animals fits in perfect.
Muslims are like wasps, you ask yourself why would you even create
such a worthless thing
who wants to walk round in a shuttlecock,
what world are these loon women in
what world are these loon women in
Ron - I did explain the process earlier. The key bit of halal (and shechita) is the religious element of the slaughter - its basically prayer at the death of the animal. Apart from this, if the animal is stunned and then throat slit, the process is the same whether halal or my local slaughterhouse.
I asked if you were returning to your original post because your last post (21.34) had nothing to do with your original post.
I asked if you were returning to your original post because your last post (21.34) had nothing to do with your original post.
Pathetic isn't it wmfb.
Its like we're putting ourselves up for being over-run/defeated.
Are all these lefties must think their heads won't be coming off what
with all the good work they do
that one.
stunned & throat slip isnt proper halal tho?
Its like we're putting ourselves up for being over-run/defeated.
Are all these lefties must think their heads won't be coming off what
with all the good work they do
that one.
stunned & throat slip isnt proper halal tho?
wfb - so the FSA invented this data, which was then published by them in 2013. The RSPCA belived it and then published it. AND all because it was good to placate the muslim population.
we are putting ourselves up for being over-run imo.
they don't like us remember the quote from the Quran i quoted,
it's pretend!
when the time comes it will be to late for lefties and everyone else
that don't want guidance from a sick peado
they don't like us remember the quote from the Quran i quoted,
it's pretend!
when the time comes it will be to late for lefties and everyone else
that don't want guidance from a sick peado
Ron - ffs - Are you being deliberately obtuse. Your standard cow, pig and sheep, are STUNNED, and then have their throats cut, to ensure proper bleeding. This is the standard UK Slaughterhouse process. Ask your butcher.
Most Halal killed animals are killed by exactly the same process, with the addition of the religious bit (prayers etc). I doubt the animal prays along Of course a proportion of halal kills are not pre-stunned and many would argue that this is cruel, but many would not as the throat slit is pretty instantaneous.
Most Halal killed animals are killed by exactly the same process, with the addition of the religious bit (prayers etc). I doubt the animal prays along
Of course a proportion of halal kills are not pre-stunned and many would argue that this is cruel, but many would not as the throat slit is pretty instantaneous.
ffs Ron - its Paedo. I hesitate to profess how to spell it, but your credibility is being damaged.
Im not heading off to the butchers tomorrow, i think i know
stunned then killed is the normal way.
I think theres some lies being told some where along the line
as basically your saying muslims are happy to go with what we do,
but just mention some nonsense prayer?
i couldn't see them having that?
stunned then killed is the normal way.
I think theres some lies being told some where along the line
as basically your saying muslims are happy to go with what we do,
but just mention some nonsense prayer?
i couldn't see them having that?
Its not really a word i'm familiar with tbh.
What with being a Christian
In truth im nothing, but can see whats happening in the UK & it's not good.
What with being a Christian
In truth im nothing, but can see whats happening in the UK & it's not good.
By the way, which bit of my "By the way gassing chickens or your Christmas Turkey is not Halal (allowed) as it offends the animal cruelty rules" is nonsense.
For the simple reason that the animal has to be still alive before slitting it's throat and bleeding it.
If they killed the animal by gassing it then it wouldn't be 'Halal'.
For the simple reason that the animal has to be still alive before slitting it's throat and bleeding it.
If they killed the animal by gassing it then it wouldn't be 'Halal'.
do you all wear wannabe uniforms?
Paedo or peado I think we all know what he meant so why so pedantic?
Best thing to do is STOP eating the ship that
we've more or less been force fed over the last 30+ years.
then they might all start f in off home
we've more or less been force fed over the last 30+ years.
then they might all start f in off home
akabula....
which bit of my "By the way gassing chickens or your Christmas Turkey is not Halal (allowed) as it offends the animal cruelty rules" is nonsense.
For the simple reason that the animal has to be still alive before slitting it's throat and bleeding it. If they killed the animal by gassing it then it wouldn't be 'Halal'.
As I said we are in violent agreement. My not halal is a bit of a clue, isnt it.
which bit of my "By the way gassing chickens or your Christmas Turkey is not Halal (allowed) as it offends the animal cruelty rules" is nonsense.
For the simple reason that the animal has to be still alive before slitting it's throat and bleeding it. If they killed the animal by gassing it then it wouldn't be 'Halal'.
As I said we are in violent agreement. My not halal is a bit of a clue, isnt it.
akabulae - I am not usually that pedantic as you know. It is only because his annoying pomposity and uncertain certainty that drives me to it. I used to be the same about you
What % of the UK would you say want Halal Meat at a guess blackbarn?
I Can see this changing whatever you say downwards as people are
sick of this nonsense we're having put upon us.
Indian Restaurants are a gonna, they was already moaning about not enough
indian chefs coming through for the reason, nah people are sick of your type
I Can see this changing whatever you say downwards as people are
sick of this nonsense we're having put upon us.
Indian Restaurants are a gonna, they was already moaning about not enough
indian chefs coming through for the reason, nah people are sick of your type
I think the op is wasting his time here.
If you take a look at the average Brit, do you really think they give a fcuk about how or where their food comes from?
If you take a look at the average Brit, do you really think they give a fcuk about how or where their food comes from?
If yer average Brit is anything like yer average cc poster then I'd agree.
Ron - No idea, but perhaps not many if your level of ignorance of the subject is typical. I'd like to think that many are better informed than you but perhaps not. Anyway, people don't really care do they (apart from you, me and a few others )
Supermarket chicken is the perfect example - raised is s hit circumstances, pumped full of garbage and then gassed to death (no pre-stunning) - in fact they are lucky if get halal'ed (got it now Akabula).
)Supermarket chicken is the perfect example - raised is s hit circumstances, pumped full of garbage and then gassed to death (no pre-stunning) - in fact they are lucky if get halal'ed (got it now Akabula
).
I don't want to eat halal meat it's quite simple as i think
its not only cruel but disgusting.
exactly what you would expect from a barbaric religion.
people are eating it by mistake,
it should be a minimal percentage job in this country, but unbeknowingly
we're all eating it.
its not only cruel but disgusting.
exactly what you would expect from a barbaric religion.
people are eating it by mistake,
it should be a minimal percentage job in this country, but unbeknowingly
we're all eating it.
This isn't about me.
It's about the future blackbarn!
It's about the future blackbarn!
Yes Wesdag but why would they concentrate and bend over backwards
for a small %.
they are all at it...trying to please a crazy religion?
Is it a dream & im going to wake up in a minute
surely any business would want to attract the majority?
for a small %.
they are all at it...trying to please a crazy religion?
Is it a dream & im going to wake up in a minute
surely any business would want to attract the majority?
Can't see it being good economics for a slaughterhouse to have separate streams for religious slaughter and not. In all likelihood if the slaughterhouse has a demand for halal then everything goes the same way, some just not labelled that way. (have never seen meat labelled that it's not halal or Koscher)
R-R if 90% don't care where their meat comes from but 10% do, who are you going to listen to?
If the 90% will buy anyway, then keep the 10% sweet.
Simple business logic.
If the 90% will buy anyway, then keep the 10% sweet.
Simple business logic.
You just can't make up whats going on in this country at the moment.
all the good work over the years to get us where we are, respect for
the law/women/crime/ect ect.
Now we are being dragged backwards? & we're being guided to suit
people that think it's fine to stone women to death, rape women,
throw *** people off tall buildings ect ect ect.
& we're actually working to please this nonsense religion ffs wake up
before it's to late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
all the good work over the years to get us where we are, respect for
the law/women/crime/ect ect.
Now we are being dragged backwards? & we're being guided to suit
people that think it's fine to stone women to death, rape women,
throw *** people off tall buildings ect ect ect.
& we're actually working to please this nonsense religion ffs wake up
before it's to late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron - Why on earth would a commercial company seek to satisfy a "crazy" and "minority" religion. Perhaps they've taken the view that halal is irrelevant and/or no one gives a tos s.
time will tell.
general feeling is people are sick of this religion being pushed on to them.
more than ever at the moment.
it's not like they work or anything is it? they just claim of tax payers going
to work while they go to the mosque ect ect.
Im still waiting for someone to quote me any good guidance from
the Quran?
Is there anything in there that id like bar frowning on?????
general feeling is people are sick of this religion being pushed on to them.
more than ever at the moment.
it's not like they work or anything is it? they just claim of tax payers going
to work while they go to the mosque ect ect.
Im still waiting for someone to quote me any good guidance from
the Quran?
Is there anything in there that id like bar frowning on?????
I'd just keep posting on here Ron. You'll be converting the faithful. You never did say how your gassed chicken tasted.
how about JUST assume no one gives a toss blackbarn.
put a few videos on it would soon change peoples minds,
instead easier to keep them in the dark an force feed food
advised from a sick warp minded culture.
put a few videos on it would soon change peoples minds,
instead easier to keep them in the dark an force feed food
advised from a sick warp minded culture.
I gave up meat eating a while back Ron so whether stamped Halal or not I wouldn't notice.
I never try to preach to people on eating meat but do on the animals right to dignity in both it's life and how it's killed.
I don't believe the statistics given on Halal produce. Maybe some stun but I'd guess the vast majority don't.
You never did say how your gassed chicken tasted. Why are you continually bringing this up? Looks like an attempt at cheap point scoring at best.
I never try to preach to people on eating meat but do on the animals right to dignity in both it's life and how it's killed.
I don't believe the statistics given on Halal produce. Maybe some stun but I'd guess the vast majority don't.
You never did say how your gassed chicken tasted. Why are you continually bringing this up? Looks like an attempt at cheap point scoring at best.
Agreed Ron. An advertising campaign similar to that of cigarettes where they show the clogged up arteries.
Seeing someone getting tucked into a bacon sarnie then switching to a vid of pigs in cramped conditions with unsuitable flooring.
Or birds getting force fed. Or - feck the list is endless.
Seeing someone getting tucked into a bacon sarnie then switching to a vid of pigs in cramped conditions with unsuitable flooring.
Or birds getting force fed. Or - feck the list is endless.
good on you akabula!
reckon i could easily knock meat on the head, specially with all the nonsense
going on confusing buyers
reckon i could easily knock meat on the head, specially with all the nonsense
going on confusing buyers
Aka - as you know, as a meat raiser I am in total agreement with your second sentence.
Re your "dont believe the stats" re halal. Thats fine, but what do you have? Every bit of data, even from those who have no axe to grind says that most is stunned. The %'s vary but they still say the bulk is. Frankly I don't really care as I am not convinced by stunning. I am happy with relaxed, gentle and then quick.
I bring up gassed chicken because it is a perfect example of double standards in the killing of edible stock. We have people on here without the faintest idea of how meat is killed, criticising the process, who eat £5 chicken raised in horrible conditions and gassed to death. AND then we pi ss about as to whether an animal is stunned or not before its throat is cut.
Still, each to his own.
Re your "dont believe the stats" re halal. Thats fine, but what do you have? Every bit of data, even from those who have no axe to grind says that most is stunned. The %'s vary but they still say the bulk is. Frankly I don't really care as I am not convinced by stunning. I am happy with relaxed, gentle and then quick.
I bring up gassed chicken because it is a perfect example of double standards in the killing of edible stock. We have people on here without the faintest idea of how meat is killed, criticising the process, who eat £5 chicken raised in horrible conditions and gassed to death. AND then we pi ss about as to whether an animal is stunned or not before its throat is cut.
Still, each to his own.
how about JUST assume no one gives a toss blackbarn.
put a few videos on it would soon change peoples minds,
instead easier to keep them in the dark an force feed food
advised from a sick warp minded culture.
put a few videos on it would soon change peoples minds,
instead easier to keep them in the dark an force feed food
advised from a sick warp minded culture.
All - ignore my 00.04 post which posts Rons post of 23.44 very accurately
The worry is 99% of the animals have probably been fooked as part of the ritual.
Pro Mo would be looking down having a **** over that
It's humane according to the Qur'an, get yer throat slit while someones up yer dirt box - wadda way to go Mo said!
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