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When the time comes for the referendum, how will you vote ?
Please answer In (to stay in the EU) or out (to leave the EU) no reasons are needed, these can be debated on another thread.
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Report The Leopard February 19, 2016 11:45 PM GMT
Just had a look on BBC.....Brasilli has had a night in.....it's a bit chilli.
Report trilby22 February 19, 2016 11:47 PM GMT
Good to see you posting after your escape.  bit of a close shave, I'd imagine - but don't tell Brasilli that ffs!
Report The Leopard February 19, 2016 11:54 PM GMT
Yaaoouuuwwwaahhhh !!!!!

Report trilby22 February 19, 2016 11:55 PM GMT
Laugh
Report trilby22 February 19, 2016 11:57 PM GMT
I'd look feckin grumpy with an octopus tentacle dangling out me arris Laugh
Report The Leopard February 19, 2016 11:58 PM GMT
Brasilli : "You disrespectin' me tail?"
Report trilby22 February 19, 2016 11:58 PM GMT
That ain't no tail, Bruv!
Report trilby22 February 20, 2016 12:00 AM GMT
I call it true love ...
Report trilby22 February 20, 2016 12:08 AM GMT
anyway, back OT.

Has Dave got a deal yet? Crazy

I've been listening to music all evening and ain't tuned into the news yet.

Are we gonna leave.eu? ExcitedExcited
Report trilby22 February 20, 2016 12:09 AM GMT
Report The Leopard February 20, 2016 12:12 AM GMT
I'm for leaving EU...... but am not so sure when I appear to be in the same camp as you swivel-eyed-loons Laugh
Report themightymac February 20, 2016 12:29 AM GMT
LaughLaugh
Report The Leopard February 20, 2016 12:33 AM GMT
Queasey, how many cars did you ticket today?
Report northanlite February 20, 2016 7:49 AM GMT
am i the only person in Scotland a bit bemused by these refs?
all the ins now seem to be outs and the outs are mainly ins.
this referendum lark is confusing.
Report TheBetterBettor February 20, 2016 10:14 AM GMT
^^^^^^Agreed.


In the last 2 referendums the 'No' vote won.
Report TheBetterBettor February 20, 2016 10:30 AM GMT
A question....



Would we be still signed up to the European Court of Human Rights, if we decided to stay?
Report Burton-Brewers February 20, 2016 10:51 AM GMT
yes. Could I also mention that under clauses 2 & 3 of the 1972 European Charter, the European Court of Justice has the power to veto any of the agreements that were quoted last night. Cameron says they will be written into law but those 2 clauses over rule anything.
Report mobo February 20, 2016 11:17 AM GMT
watching sky news for an hour and I wonder that anyone is for leaving??  Never seen such a biased presentation.  The whole lot of them have sold their souls to the giant corrupt stinking undemocratic heap.
After one hour they have managed to find bill cash!!  But after an hour!!!!!This boulton  presenter character is clearly pro euro - we have seen them do a job on farage and saw a job done on corbyn - now they are doing one on the EU.  PRO!!!
Report mobo February 20, 2016 11:19 AM GMT
when I watcha al jazeera they usually get one pro one against and one in the middle for a thorough debate over most issues.  Where has balanced debate gone - on QT it was 4 pro and 1 out !!!!  I guess there's more of this to come slanted in this way.
Report kevdartsking February 20, 2016 2:21 PM GMT
Tony Blair Angela merkel and Neil kinnock all want us to stay in the EU well that's my mind made up out ! It's like being on the titanic and being offered  a lifeboat and turning it down
Report Burton-Brewers February 22, 2016 1:01 PM GMT
The motoring group waded into the Europe debate today by claiming costs at the pumps could rise by 18.7p a litre 'within days' of a Brexit vote.

But AA president Edmund King later took to Twitter to apologise for the comments, admitting they had been ‘misinterpreted’ and were taken from on a report by banking group Goldman Sachs – known supporters of the ‘In’ campaign.
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http://www.ukip.org/ukip_welcomes_aa_apology_over_fuel_price_rumours
Report Burton-Brewers February 22, 2016 1:56 PM GMT
next to be embraced after Bosnia and Turkey

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and his French counterpart Jean-Marc Ayrault wrote in the February 22 edition of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that reforms are so important that "all political and economic forces in the country" should take part.

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http://www.parisguardian.com/index.php/sid/241527807
Report guinness2dear February 22, 2016 2:21 PM GMT
The Ottoman march goes on..
Report Burton-Brewers February 22, 2016 3:17 PM GMT
“French President Francois Hollande warned Friday that an EU member state could be sanctioned if the extreme-right came to power there — and could even be suspended from the bloc,” AFP reports.
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http://www.infowars.com/french-president-threatens-to-suspend-nations-that-elect-far-right-polticians/
Report mobo February 22, 2016 5:36 PM GMT
I have also heard you camels will abort and all your wives will be barren if you vote out.

I wonder what other scare stories will come out. 

Our country has been flooded with foreigners and I not only want to see it stopped, I want them to go back.

If not, england will become a foreign country.  It really is that simple.  Now there IS a scare story.
Report mobo February 22, 2016 5:37 PM GMT
your camels
Report G1_Jockey_4 February 22, 2016 8:56 PM GMT
I think you mean if we stay in we are in very serious trouble ... we are now (not financial)

well we are fkd either way then.
time for an elected leader to micro manage and not be voted in on the basis of "charisma".
this si a really dodgy predicament we are in.

we will be a 3rd world country in looks if we stay in or financially if we dont.
oddly the choice is OURS.

talk about passing the buck
Report treetop February 22, 2016 11:59 PM GMT
But if we do stay in a number of our most important people will gain access to gold plated pension schemes and their families will be granted well paid jobs for life  in Brussels.Isn't that what is most important during debate such as this ?
Report Burton-Brewers February 23, 2016 7:58 PM GMT
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/646796/Dutch-voters-in-out-EU-referendum-Brexit-contagion-fears-Brussels-Jean-Claude-Juncker
Report mobo February 23, 2016 11:18 PM GMT
If you want to be controlled by a bunch of foreigners then vote IN
Report G1_Jockey_4 February 24, 2016 4:49 PM GMT
tories are foreign to me idea wise so thats a good thing.

also i think the only problem with the eu is they have so many things to deal with they cant get round to important issues like uniforming the gambling industry.

im sure when they get round to it practises here like account barring  and restricting will be deemed discriminative.
at the moment we are at the mercy of a government who wont do a thing to cut out such discrimiation.
Report Burton-Brewers February 24, 2016 7:41 PM GMT
This morning, 13 ex-military leaders signed a letter to the Daily Telegraph in which they warned Britain would be less safe if it left the EU.

The letter warned voters should opt to remain tied to Brussels at the upcoming in/out referendum on June 23 in order to protect the UK from the “grave security threats” posed by Islamic State terrorists and Russian president Vladimir Putin.

But, a Downing Street spokesman was later forced to admit the letter had not in fact been signed by former special forces chief General Sir Michael Rose, despite his name appearing as a signatory.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/647102/Brexit-scaremongering-military-letter-General-Sir-Michael-Rose-EU-referendum
Report Burton-Brewers February 25, 2016 11:41 AM GMT
Officials have said that key EU initiatives which may be “controversial” have been shelved to assist Prime Minister David Cameron’s campaign to keep Britain in the European Union. The legislation includes a €20bn increase in the EU’s budget, new rules on the freedom of movement, and indeed the accession to the European Convention on Human Rights – a deeply unpopular, sovereignty-stripping treaty.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/25/brussels-time-bomb-eu-is-holding-back-key-legislation-for-fear-of-fuelling-brexit/
Report smartie3 February 25, 2016 1:35 PM GMT
what I don't get is why the so-called brains of this country cannot see what the man in the street does
Report bix February 25, 2016 2:06 PM GMT
Immigration still running at record levels according to today's figures. As immigration seems to be the big issue with the man in the street I think it will be a NO.
Report bix February 25, 2016 2:23 PM GMT
what I don't get is why the so-called brains of this country cannot see what the man in the street does

You don't need a lot of brains to see that there are now far too many people in the country and resources and amenities are stretched to the limits. Houses seem to be going up everywhere but there is still a huge shortage of accommodation. 300,000 net migration last year. In other words about a million every 3 years or so with no end or limit for the future.
Frightening.
Report Burton-Brewers February 25, 2016 2:43 PM GMT
300,000 net migration last year. In other words about a million every 3 years or so with no end or limit for the future.

do you think the number is accurate?



One of the big questions arising from today’s immigration statistics is how there can be 260,000 immigrants from the European Union (EU) over the past year yet around 650,000 National Insurance Numbers (NINos) handed to EU citizens.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/25/650000-new-national-insurance-numbers-of-eu-migrants/
Report gooroo February 25, 2016 2:49 PM GMT
why dont they use the gross figure its just misleading,since the 1997 election 10 MILLION people have come to the uk
Report bix February 25, 2016 3:18 PM GMT
Of course the figure is not accurate. The government admitted that when they did the last census it was impossible to know how many people were in the UK simply because all those who for various reasons wanted to stay beneath the radar simply didn't put their names down on the forms.
why dont they use the gross figure?
Because the net figure doesn't make it sound as bad.
Report HH Sultan Vinegar February 25, 2016 3:58 PM GMT
Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Prime Minister, has told his parliament that Cameron got nothing and reassures them that Hungarians who have not paid contributions will still get UK benefits:

“the real debate was about there being benefits which workers do not pay for, but for which they are nonetheless eligible. The question was what should happen with benefits paid to third-country nationals, for which no contributions are paid in Britain. Here, too, we have succeeded in ensuring that these social benefits cannot be taken away… This means that we have even succeeded in protecting benefits which people working in the United Kingdom did not pay for in the form of contributions.”
Report bix February 25, 2016 4:56 PM GMT
Cameron's so-called deal contains nothing which addresses the public's major concern that immigration to the UK will still be uncontrolled.
Report treetop February 25, 2016 7:05 PM GMT
It's all about deceit,the EU will withold any contentious news in order to assist the referendum to return a Yes vote. Then we will see the release of a bunch of legislation that is unsavoury. How can anyone trust a set up that behaves like this ?
Report Burton-Brewers February 25, 2016 7:59 PM GMT
Teenager Joe Taylor was flagged up for political extremism by the deputy head after he used a school computer to click on the party's website.

The 15-year-old went online earlier this week to research immigration following a classroom discussion on the subject, logging on with his school username.

But he was stunned when teachers subsequently reported him to the police, claiming he had raised welfare concerns by visiting "politically incorrect websites".

Amazingly he was referred to a specialist team whose usual brief is preventing vulnerable youngsters from being groomed and indoctrinated by Islamic State (ISIS) jihadis.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/647539/Ukip-UK-Independence-Party-school-police-called-website
Report Burton-Brewers February 26, 2016 12:49 PM GMT
Sources close to the Prime Minister claim he will dole them out as rewards to pro-Brussels backers.

One speaking to The Times said a pro-Brexit businessman was offered "anything" to switch sides.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/647729/Desperate-Cameron-to-hand-out-peerages-to-chums-who-back-EU
Report TheBaron February 26, 2016 1:09 PM GMT
Cameron reminds me of a dodgy salesman.  He puts a contract in front of you and asks you to sign.  You point out that the contract doesn't include some important details, he says don't worry about that I'll fill them in later.
Report Burton-Brewers February 26, 2016 7:29 PM GMT
Socialist leaders in the European Parliament have threatened to sabotage and “never agree” to David Cameron’s much touted “deal” to curb migrant benefits, just as legal experts warn the deal is not “legally binding” despite the Prime Minister’s assurances.

Italian MEP Gianni Pittella speaks for the second largest group in the European Union (EU) assembly. This Wednesday, he labeled Mr. Cameron’s “emergency brake” on migrant benefits “discrimination”.

Professor Steve Peers, who has worked as consultant for the European Parliament and the European Commission, as well as the House of Lords Select Committee on the European Union, agreed. He said that the policy was likely to be challenged in courts as “discrimination”.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/26/leading-eu-socialists-will-never-agree-to-migrant-benefit-brake-not-legal-binding-say-experts/
Report Injera February 26, 2016 7:34 PM GMT
Quelle surprise.

At what point will the UK wake up and realise the EU is ONE COUNTRY.

No such thing as migrants, just EU citizens.

We've sleep walked into a fiasco that says at any entry point into Britain: EU Passport Holders Only.

The UK's sovereignity was lost some years ago...
Report TheBetterBettor February 26, 2016 7:45 PM GMT
After thinking about it, Sod it Im a 'IN'.....


I want to retire in a nice warm country....So I don't want to be bogged down with endless bureaucracy, red tape and visa requirements when I decide it to call it a day and retire to the hot sunny climates of the  Costa del Sol.
Report kevdartsking February 26, 2016 9:37 PM GMT
Now that nice man mr Cameron  is telling the flood victims the eu will help them out just as the referendum is on the horizon not a bribe of course
Report Shrewd_dude February 26, 2016 9:56 PM GMT
I'm leaning towards out but I'm not sure that pulling out will actually change anything. You only have to look at the problem Switzerland is facing at the moment. They aren't in the EU but are part of EFTA and as such since the referendum where their citizens voted to re introduce quotas on immigration they have no clue how to implement these quotas without facing trade repercussions with the EU. So they are basically now waiting to see what happens in our referendum before making a decision. You would have to presume we would try and join EFTA if we left so we would no doubt be in a similar position.
Report Just Checking February 26, 2016 10:08 PM GMT
I'd be happy to join a union with switzerland. I'm quite fondue of the country.
Their immigration is worse than ours though, as you say, and they're sick of it.
Report kevdartsking February 26, 2016 10:08 PM GMT
I think if one more mp that wants us to stay in compares us to Norway I think I will scream Cry
Report Shrewd_dude February 26, 2016 10:12 PM GMT
Not sure if I'd agree that they are worse than ours. The benefits they do have though is that they are in EFTA but also have bilateral treaties with the likes of china.
Report Ron-Russian February 26, 2016 11:00 PM GMT
im thinking along the lines of moving abroad - im sick of
the politically correct decisions, it will only get worse you know.

let the muslims & white liberals have it.

United Sh!t Hole
Report Burton-Brewers February 27, 2016 9:52 AM GMT
my son left last year Ron if we stay in I will probably join him
Report mobo February 27, 2016 12:09 PM GMT
Locally a working british family can't get housed, yet unemployed immigrant somalis in london get given million pound house

More of these refugees will get papers in europe and then be able to legitimately move here.

But millions of eu invaders get housing too - so the two immigration groups just put more pressure on the housing stock but our locals can't get a look in  - why is that

that is what sums it up for me - let us get out of the sorry corrupt mess

The people who supposedly 'steer' this country are ill.

I have come to conclusion that there is a psychological illness throughout the country.
It is geared up to be offended.
It is as if a virus has been injected into the brain and anything British and anything anti euro is rejected automatically by the body into various racist, xenophobic, fruitcake compartments and thoroughly dismissed having no merit whatsover.
Report mobo February 27, 2016 12:39 PM GMT
And there's me thinking I had no influence.  If everyone votes out with me we are going to bring down the world's economy.
Talk about putting the great back into great britain hahahah
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/27/brexit-could-pose-a-risk-to-the-world-economy-says-draft-g20-communique
Report mobo February 27, 2016 1:00 PM GMT
re the above G20 quote


John Edmund Poynton
4m ago
5 6

This is pompous nonsense. Read it carefully. It is pure assertion. There is no logic, no evidence and no argument. They are simply saying "We are more important than you and therefore know better. Just do as we say." The arrogance is astonishing.

There is only one thing we will have to do immediately on Brexit, and that is to replace all the payments UK institutions currently receive from Brussels with payments from Westminster. That is very easily done out of the savings we will be making. Otherwise NOTHING WILL CHANGE. The statute book will be unaffected. Surely that's not too difficult to visualise?

Take trade for example. Without any agreement or unilateral action by Brussels, trade will simply continue on a tariff-free basis in accordance with WTO rules. In the extremely unlikely event that Brussels did raise tariffs against us, and there are limits under those WTO rules - 10% in the case of cars and agricultural products and very much lower for anything else - we would do the same in equal measure. But a return to tariff based trade would actually be advantageous to the UK and detrimental to the EU because of the massive goods trade deficit we have with them - £89bn last year. More jobs would be created within the UK from import substitution than would be lost from exports. Further the import tariffs would help pay for public services and reduce our fiscal deficit. So we can just walk away from such negotiations if we so wish.

I am not saying we should not conclude a new tariff-free agreement with the EU, but that we do not have to. What I do say that we should NOT do is commit to never raising tariffs in the future. Suppose the EU were to initiate some hostile action against us after we leave, limitations on the City of London for example as they are itching to do, we would need the means to retaliate. Provided we retain the right to impose trade tariffs we have them by the short and curlies. The slightest step out of line and, TWEAK, slap on some tariffs against German cars or French wine and they will snap back into line in very quick order.
Report bix February 27, 2016 2:04 PM GMT
If we stay IN there is one fundamental question with regard to uncontrolled immigration.
If about 300,000 come to live here each year where are they going to live? Housing is a commodity with a very inelastic supply. The same arguament applies to the other amenities and services such as roads, NHS, crime control, schools etc.but just to keep it simple.
WHERE ARE THEY ALL GOING TO LIVE?
Throw into the equation the fact that many of the immigrants are catholics and muslims who tend to have larger families and we seem to be building up a huge problem for the not too distant future with simply being unable to house the population.
And then there's Turkey waiting in the wings to join the EU........................
Report Ibrahima Sonko February 27, 2016 2:14 PM GMT
They will do what they have been doing for the last 20 years, turning houses into flats and making the rich richer.
Report Injera February 27, 2016 2:58 PM GMT
bix - that's a question that is ignored by the powers that be.

It's the most obvious question. It's brilliant and common sense. Yet it's ignored.
Report Burton-Brewers February 27, 2016 3:12 PM GMT
And then there's Turkey waiting in the wings to join the EU........................

add Bosnia, Ukraine, Belarus, Serbia and Albania to that list
Report stealthgun February 27, 2016 3:38 PM GMT
There is a poll on The Express website of around 100,000 people apparently and 89% have voted to leave, 3% are undecided and 8% want to remain. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/647784/Cameron-deal-EU-referendum-vote-Euro...

Those numbers seem crazy but even if there is an element of truth in that, the current odds are totally wrong.
Report stealthgun February 27, 2016 3:39 PM GMT
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/647784/Cameron-deal-EU-referendum-vote-Euro...
Report stealthgun February 27, 2016 3:40 PM GMT
pean-Union

on the end of the link. Chopped it off for some reason.
Report Ron-Russian February 27, 2016 3:53 PM GMT
I just voted, says 89% agree as you say
Report johnizere February 27, 2016 4:02 PM GMT
ITV Wales evening news last night, out of the people they asked in the street (Caerphilly I think?), all said they would vote to stay in the EU.
They asked two, yes TWO people!
I reckon they didn't want to show how many would vote to leave?
Report mobo February 27, 2016 4:03 PM GMT
Bix just adding that 640,000 have taken up nat insurance, although only 340000 have officially come here.
So how does that add up??  could be wrong stats but as we have seen with how blair manipulated the system
who says cameron, et all, has not as well?
Report mobo February 27, 2016 4:04 PM GMT
bbc has been criticised for its pro eu stance  you will only get a pro eu stance from sky and bbc
Report mobo February 27, 2016 4:04 PM GMT
pps  I don't know anyone who is voting IN!!
Report Burton-Brewers February 27, 2016 5:04 PM GMT
Ofcom have been told to crack down on any bias regarding the tv stations and the referendum, we'll see........
Report Ron-Russian February 27, 2016 5:09 PM GMT
regarding the housing of these mostly useless individuals,

they look to KO traditional English things like greyhound tracks ect,
Walthamstow & Wimbledon shortly.

Walthamstow project will be mostly foreign sh1t - a crying shame
Report bix February 27, 2016 7:02 PM GMT
Planning Permission granted also for Hall Green. The question of where all these people will live was raised a few times last night on Question Time but ignored of course by the those in favour of staying in.
Report The Leopard February 27, 2016 7:20 PM GMT
What you should do is report anyone you suspect of being an illegal immigrant to the Border Agency and push that idea around friends family and social media etc
Report Alias February 27, 2016 10:25 PM GMT
The whole lot of them have sold their souls to the giant corrupt stinking undemocratic heap.

What's the house of Lords got to do with it?
Report Alias February 27, 2016 10:31 PM GMT
And then there's Turkey waiting in the wings to join the EU........................


"waiting in the wings"....Fk me, talk about scaremongering. Dunno what age you are, but Turkey won't join the EU in your lifetime.
Report Paddy Hair February 28, 2016 3:49 AM GMT
The EU are already doing deals with Turkey over the Migrants crisis, who knows what promises they will make to limit the numbers ooming through Turkey. The EU is done for anyway how many of the existing countries won't accept their quota of Syrian Refugees, but still want to be able to work where they like. Poland have had marches, Hungary have closed its borders and the Migrants don't even want to go there. The Migrants want Germany, UK, or Sweden they are not really interested in the other countries.
Most of the EU countries want their citizens to be able to work where they want, but don't want any other part of what it means to be in the EU.
A lot of the poorer countries rely on the money being sent home to families by people working away to keep them afloat. Money earned in Western Europe but spent in Eastern Europe, it helps their economy but not ours.
Report Paddy Hair February 28, 2016 4:02 AM GMT
Also if as an island the UK can cope with say 100k of immigration ( I don't know the actual figure but this is what I will use )what happens to the figures that the UK get from other areas some of which are historical.
If for example the UK get 95k from the EU does that mean they are limited to 5k from say, India, Pakistan, Africa, West Indies and the rest of the world. We can not stop immigration from the EU if we get 120k does that mean we can't take any more, no matter where they come from. Next year we can only take 80k, anyone from outside the EU will have to wait until we take an average of less than 100K over a 5years before they can come to the UK.
What happens to people marrying spouses from outside the UK will they be allowed to come, as this will add to the figures or will this be taken off what is allowed in from the EU.
I read somewhere that if the same percentage of the Polish population that came to the UK was applied to Turkey then 2.5 million Turks would come to the UK. I know a lot of Turks will go to Germany but some will come to the UK.
How many Kebab shops can 1 island support.Laugh
Report treetop February 28, 2016 5:30 PM GMT
If any managers within any corporate company were to be found guilty of offering bribes and incentives to win an order they could be suspended or jailed. Why on earth isnt the general pubic waking up to the stench of corruption from Cameron and the civil service that pervades this refendum ? Offering peerages as a bribe and holding back any information from the public because it may influence a No vote is treasonable when we are considering national sovereignty.
Report mobo February 28, 2016 11:47 PM GMT
Britain is faced with more than economic issues, and for longer than ten years.
Islam already has a blueprint as to how to deal with any host culture, jahiliyya. Simple demographics will do the rest, and in 200 years, whatever it was that this country strove to be will be gone. Shakespeare Dickens Donne Marvell, Thackeray, little will survive. School curricula will change and to get on, the pushy parent will be trying to get their kids to the best madrasah. The irony is that simple demographics and, ironically, democracy, with a splash of feminism will achieve this, meaning that so much bloodshed especially in the middle east was wholly unnecessary. Even more ironically, it will have come about because of one of the stupidest and most nakedly greedy foreign policies ever seen, where America threw in its lot with proselytising Wahhabi monarchs and emirs, and deliberately destroyed the beginnings of secularism and democracy in the middle east that earlier western technological and civilisational success had encouraged. Short termism will the rest, and the determination of our ruling classes at all costs to encourage docility. People like Blair Bush, Cameron and Mama Merkel consider themselves the Elect. In 200 years, somewhere in Africa, where Christian culture might still survive, they will be considered the Idiots. The biggest Idiots of all time. Because Islam, unlike Judaism, which considers itself the chosen Race, considers itself the Chosen Religion, and tolerates no equality between religions, as others do. So, if Englishness or Britishness is to have half a chance of surviving, it must enact laws that outlaw basic elements of Muslim culture, right now, such as FGM, multiple wives, honour killings. And control of its borders.
The battlefield isn't Afghanistan or Damascus, it's in Rotherham, Dewsbury and East London. Or in a couple of hundred years, people will be wistfully quoting Gandhi who when asked what he thought of Western civilisation replied that he thought it would be a good idea.
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 2, 2016 7:44 PM GMT
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/02/corporate-leader-of-referendum-in-campaign-admits-wages-would-rise-after-brexit-says-not-necessarily-a-good-thing/
Report Burton-Brewers March 2, 2016 8:29 PM GMT
Rose is the one who said last year that he didn't want it to be a negative campaign but based purely on facts. He hasn't put up one single fact yet, and just repeats the scare stories of Cameron's and Peter Mandelson. I notice his fellow board members at BSE are pretty quiet.
Report Burton-Brewers March 3, 2016 1:59 PM GMT
events this Saturday nationwide with 500 pitches, anyone wishing to help will be made most welcome

Report bix March 3, 2016 2:41 PM GMT
How many Kebab shops can 1 island support.Laugh

Never mind the kebab shops just try and get an answer to the simple question "where are all the immigrants going to live?"
Report Injera March 4, 2016 1:14 PM GMT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3475257/Mob-30-Afghan-men-chase-teenage-girls-German-shopping-mall-sparking-huge-confrontation-police.html


Coming to your local Waitrose soon.

Vote out.
Report Burton-Brewers March 7, 2016 7:57 PM GMT
Turkey has made a series of steep last minute demands ahead of today’s talks with the European Union (EU).

The Turkish delegation demanded an increase on the €3 billion in aid previously promised by Brussels, faster access to Schengen visas for Turkey’s 75 million citizens, and accelerated progress in its EU membership bid.

They insist that Europe should pay for the all of the municipal infrastructure costs, health, education and material support required by the Syrian refugees who remain in Turkey.

The figure demanded is an additional €20 billion, according to a source quoted by Reuters, who allege that the Turkish Prime Minister made the demand to German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Dutch PM Mark Rutte last night.

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/07/shock-turkey-makes-last-minute-demand-for-more-money-and-faster-access-to-eu-free-movement/
Report Burton-Brewers March 11, 2016 4:03 PM GMT
Interviewed by the Evening Standard he said he recognises deep “uncertainties” about where a Remain vote may lead. Warning that the European Commission has plans for further political integration, including a European Army, he said “the EU will change a lot in five to 10 years — you can’t be certain what staying in will look like.”
Mr. Kamall also predicted that Britain will come under great pressure to surrender its independent currency once all 27 other countries have signed up to the euro.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/11/blow-for-cameron-as-tory-leader-in-european-parliament-comes-out-for-brexit/
Report G1_Jockey_4 March 13, 2016 10:19 AM GMT
im thinking along the lines of moving abroad

thats gonna be harder when we are out.
Report G1_Jockey_4 March 13, 2016 10:20 AM GMT
and lets guess
you thinking of moving to an eu country ? Laugh
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 13, 2016 10:26 AM GMT
So it should be.
Report G1_Jockey_4 March 13, 2016 10:33 AM GMT
agree.
we made a right mess because we allowed the housing problem to raise rents to the point where no one could afford to live if they werent working.

rents should be able to come out of standard benefits...

if you have to pay 150 in rent a week and get 70 in dole that how far we have gone wrong.

still we all have the right to own our own homes ...fk what the consequences are Laugh


go to another country and you get benefits based on what you have put into the system.

the problem lies from within the country
Report lfc1971 March 13, 2016 10:46 AM GMT
To vote to stay in or out is a meaningless question. Millions of Europeans, and people from all over the world live here. The vote will change nothing substantially, it cannot do its too late.
Report lfc1971 March 13, 2016 10:50 AM GMT
The important thing is for every individual to no  longer have any ties or obligations or responsibilities to Britain. Think of a way to live anywhere you wish, even in Britain but as an island within yourself separate from the madness.
Report breadnbutter March 13, 2016 2:17 PM GMT
Scotland is a bit like London in so much that it is not a good representation of the UK as a whole ,middle England will decide and they will not be using the reasons people in Scotland/London will ,London will be split as will Scotland ,Northern Ire will be split and so will Wales but middle England and the North will base their decision on more than just simple perceived economic gains/losses imo .Ordinary folk that have seen the country change beyond recognition ,people who will be asking themselves basic questions about exactly what the EU means to them ,what it was first put in place to do and what it is actually doing.
People that see  constant talk of poor Immigrants and their needs but never here jack about their own needs ,infrastructure depleted ,NHS overrun ,schools bursting at the seams and job prospects for their kids reduced ,johnny foreigner marching in and getting a good leg up but their picture becoming bleaker by the year ,is that what the EU intended ?
They are sick of being flanneled and now have the opportunity to do something about it ,threats of dire consequences ,particularly  from the BOE of interest rate rises will fall on deaf ears ,they have been saying they are going up anyway for a long time ,now they will go up  whatever box they tick ,so that makes that one easy to ignore .
100 years since we fought on European  soil and done our bit to prevent Central Europe turning into something nasty and evil only to be reeled into being part of something that is threatening our way of life  and something that we have little control over ,i have a feeling most in middle England are not for rolling over and having their belly tickled any more ,when the day comes many will not have changed their mind one iota and they will do whats right for them and the country as a whole ,a new beginning and a change will hopefully dawn and the UK can prosper and grow to the benefit of all ,particularly the hard working ordinary man in the street .
EU is at a crossroads ,exactly what the plan was or is remains a mystery to most imo .
Report bix March 13, 2016 5:51 PM GMT
Whatever the finer points of the arguement the simple basic fact is that if we stay in we've got to provide homes for another million people over the next 3 years together with schooling and health care. That is as many as live in Manchester.
We can't build that many houses in that time even if there was land available, there doesn't seem to be any new schools being built and hospitals are closing. So how is it going to be done?
Anyone who thinks we should stay in please tell me because it is the question that never gets an answer even on tv's Question Time.
Report Burton-Brewers March 13, 2016 5:59 PM GMT
housing is no problem as many upright citizens have said they will accommodate them
Report bix March 13, 2016 6:52 PM GMT
I ask this question to anyone who thinke we should stay in but have never got anything anywhere near an answer. I'm sure there are very good reasons for staying in many of which people always put forward and most of them make sense but you cant ignore the fact that you will have to come up with a solution to the housing, schooling and health problems. It's not magic and it won't sort itself out.
Cameron tells us all the sound economic reasons for staying in the EU but completely ignores the "on the ground" migration problem.
Report Burton-Brewers March 20, 2016 6:21 PM GMT
It is expected to be handed over next month, but despite previous claims from the Prime Minister that he would want the Iraq War report published within two weeks of receiving it, The Telegraph reports senior Government sources have confirmed it is likely to be published after the June 23 referendum.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/20/iraq-war-report-delayed-again-as-government-avoids-controversial-announcements-ahead-of-eu-referendum/
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 22, 2016 5:20 PM GMT
Good article

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Report Burton-Brewers April 8, 2016 5:07 PM BST
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