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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/09/muhammad-ali-responds-to-donald-trumps-muslim-ban-plan
Muhammad Ali hit out against Islamic extremists and Donald Trump’s plan to bar Muslims from entering the United States on Wednesday.
“I am a Muslim and there is nothing Islamic about killing innocent people in Paris, San Bernardino, or anywhere else in the world,” the three-time world heavyweight champion said in a statement. “True Muslims know that the ruthless violence of so called Islamic jihadists goes against the very tenets of our religion.”
The Louisville-born boxer, who converted to Sunni Islam in 1975, called on Muslims to “stand up to those who use Islam to advance their own personal agenda”.
He added: “They have alienated many from learning about Islam. True Muslims know or should know that it goes against our religion to try and force Islam on anybody.”
The 132-word statement, issued under the headline ‘Presidential Candidates Proposing to Ban Muslim Immigration to the United States’, also took a thinly veiled swipe at Trump’s sweeping proposal for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”, made on Monday in the wake of the San Bernardino shooting.
“Speaking as someone who has never been accused of political correctness, I believe that our political leaders should use their position to bring understanding about the religion of Islam and clarify that these misguided murderers have perverted people’s views on what Islam really is,” Ali said.
Even with advanced Parkinson’s disease having severely limited his speech and mobility, the 73-year-old icon continues to lend his global clout to a number of humanitarian causes.
In March, the Olympic gold medalist called on the Iranian government to release an imprisoned Washington Post journalist, calling the detained Jason Rezaian a “man of peace and great faith” who used his “gift of writing and intimate knowledge of the country to share the stories of the people and culture of Iran to the world”.
In 2011, Ali headed a group of prominent US Muslims in calling on Iranian leaders to release a pair of American hikers who had been detained near the Iran-Iraq border two years prior.
Known simply as The Greatest, he is renowned today as much for his principled stances on religious freedom and racial justice as his epochal victories over Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier and George Foreman.
Muhammad Ali hit out against Islamic extremists and Donald Trump’s plan to bar Muslims from entering the United States on Wednesday.
“I am a Muslim and there is nothing Islamic about killing innocent people in Paris, San Bernardino, or anywhere else in the world,” the three-time world heavyweight champion said in a statement. “True Muslims know that the ruthless violence of so called Islamic jihadists goes against the very tenets of our religion.”
The Louisville-born boxer, who converted to Sunni Islam in 1975, called on Muslims to “stand up to those who use Islam to advance their own personal agenda”.
He added: “They have alienated many from learning about Islam. True Muslims know or should know that it goes against our religion to try and force Islam on anybody.”
The 132-word statement, issued under the headline ‘Presidential Candidates Proposing to Ban Muslim Immigration to the United States’, also took a thinly veiled swipe at Trump’s sweeping proposal for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”, made on Monday in the wake of the San Bernardino shooting.
“Speaking as someone who has never been accused of political correctness, I believe that our political leaders should use their position to bring understanding about the religion of Islam and clarify that these misguided murderers have perverted people’s views on what Islam really is,” Ali said.
Even with advanced Parkinson’s disease having severely limited his speech and mobility, the 73-year-old icon continues to lend his global clout to a number of humanitarian causes.
In March, the Olympic gold medalist called on the Iranian government to release an imprisoned Washington Post journalist, calling the detained Jason Rezaian a “man of peace and great faith” who used his “gift of writing and intimate knowledge of the country to share the stories of the people and culture of Iran to the world”.
In 2011, Ali headed a group of prominent US Muslims in calling on Iranian leaders to release a pair of American hikers who had been detained near the Iran-Iraq border two years prior.
Known simply as The Greatest, he is renowned today as much for his principled stances on religious freedom and racial justice as his epochal victories over Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier and George Foreman.
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full quote should have read:
“I am a Muslim and there is nothing Islamic about killing innocent people in Paris, San Bernardino, Garland, Oakland, Chattanooga, Beslan, Boston, Paris, London, Patani, Madrid, Timor, Mosul, Bali, Chittagong, Mumbai, Ottawa, Bagdad, Samarra, Kirkuk, Sydney, Sirte, Misrata, Tripoli. the other Tripoli, Kobani, Damascus, and on and on and on, or anywhere else in the world"
“I am a Muslim and there is nothing Islamic about killing innocent people in Paris, San Bernardino, Garland, Oakland, Chattanooga, Beslan, Boston, Paris, London, Patani, Madrid, Timor, Mosul, Bali, Chittagong, Mumbai, Ottawa, Bagdad, Samarra, Kirkuk, Sydney, Sirte, Misrata, Tripoli. the other Tripoli, Kobani, Damascus, and on and on and on, or anywhere else in the world"
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Ali is a legend, universally admired. Parkinson sells life insurance to 90 year olds. One of them is a sellout ****.
brief summary for those too scared to click on the link, parkinson thinks the different races should be allowed to inter-marry, ali thinks it should be forbidden.
Ali is mixed-race, Parkinson is 100% Yorkshire-white.
Ali was a great boxer but he never was a Muslim,he just skirted with it for a while.
He thinks like a lot of Western leaders its a religion of peace.
He thinks like a lot of Western leaders its a religion of peace.
Ali is mixed-race, Parkinson is 100% Yorkshire-white.
parkinson thinks the different races should be allowed to inter-marry, ali thinks it should be forbidden.
parkinson thinks the different races should be allowed to inter-marry, ali thinks it should be forbidden.
'nothing Islamic about killing innocent people' says Ali
The boxing man believes all the Quran passages about killing non-believers are typos caused by the dodgy typewriters they were forced to use back in the 7th century.
The boxing man believes all the Quran passages about killing non-believers are typos caused by the dodgy typewriters they were forced to use back in the 7th century.
I would like to see some proof that Ali actually said those words.
polybot 10 Dec 15 10:10
parkinson thinks the different races should be allowed to inter-marry, ali thinks it should be forbidden.
Thanks for the clarification. Maybe if one of Parkinson's antecedents was a slave raped by her owner, he'd think differently too.
parkinson thinks the different races should be allowed to inter-marry, ali thinks it should be forbidden.
Thanks for the clarification. Maybe if one of Parkinson's antecedents was a slave raped by her owner, he'd think differently too.
Maybe if one of Parkinson's antecedents was a slave raped by her owner, he'd think differently too.
i forgive your weak logic and hysterical irrationality because, well, i'm very forgiving. statistically both would have a very similar probability (basically 100 percent) of having an antecedent raped by slave owner. i'm guessing you believe the ancestors of ali would have greater frequency due to the much greater prevalence of slavery in african culture? to me this seems churlish and petty conjecture befitting a racist like yourself.
you're apartheid views are duly noted however.
i forgive your weak logic and hysterical irrationality because, well, i'm very forgiving. statistically both would have a very similar probability (basically 100 percent) of having an antecedent raped by slave owner. i'm guessing you believe the ancestors of ali would have greater frequency due to the much greater prevalence of slavery in african culture? to me this seems churlish and petty conjecture befitting a racist like yourself.
you're apartheid views are duly noted however.
Black slave-white owner, obviously.
not the reverse? do you see black slave-white owner as the natural order? how about the long history islamic white slavery, should this be stripped from history in your view?
or do you see black/black slavery as the natural order? do the millions of current slaves have a case considering they are not owned by michael parkinson or another white man?
not the reverse? do you see black slave-white owner as the natural order? how about the long history islamic white slavery, should this be stripped from history in your view?
or do you see black/black slavery as the natural order? do the millions of current slaves have a case considering they are not owned by michael parkinson or another white man?
Ali made a complete ass of himself on the Parkinson show.
a truly desperate and pathetic defence.if only i were so desperate to resort to such rhetoric. well it would probably look something like this:
"mik, you probably not only keep black slaves, you probably also rape, kill and eat them
why pretend otherwise? FACT!!!"but luckily i'm not that desperate.
Who are you rooting for Polly, Ali or Trump?
I never thought a thread about Muhammad Ali, Islam and Donald Trump would produce such a difference of opinions. A shame to see chit chatters arguing. In a strange way I feel partly responsible.
Who are you rooting for Polly, Ali or Trump?
1. that's a false dichotomy, false dichotomies only work on fools, which is why it is a standard leftist tool.
2. ali isn't running for president, trump doesn't (in the literal sense) attempt to beat people unconscious.
3. both use hyperbole to push their agendas, one for the islamic agenda, one for the us agenda.
4. i don't "root" for anyone
1. that's a false dichotomy, false dichotomies only work on fools, which is why it is a standard leftist tool.
2. ali isn't running for president, trump doesn't (in the literal sense) attempt to beat people unconscious.
3. both use hyperbole to push their agendas, one for the islamic agenda, one for the us agenda.
4. i don't "root" for anyone
I never thought a thread about Muhammad Ali, Islam and Donald Trump would produce such a difference of opinions. A shame to see chit chatters arguing. In a strange way I feel partly responsible.
just like the tragic child who cannot reconcile his own responsibility for the divorce of his parents and the tragic collapse of his entire world.
well i hope you're happy, me and mik were on the verge of getting back together and would have lived happily ever after if it wasn't for your dastardly interference
just like the tragic child who cannot reconcile his own responsibility for the divorce of his parents and the tragic collapse of his entire world.well i hope you're happy, me and mik were on the verge of getting back together and would have lived happily ever after if it wasn't for your dastardly interference
i'd booked a romantic trip to the algarve and everything, won't even get my deposit back now 
ALL you ignorant nazis and liberal apologists know nothing about the qur'an as the true word and understanding can only come if you understand arabic
therefore nearly most muslims in this country don't understand it haha
but it is the escape clause for muslims - do you see - you kuffurs cannot understand it and we will make it what we think because of your ignorance
you couldnt make it up but they do and also the warmongering so calle prophet made it all up to hahahahahahah
Oh - and as for killing innocent people - they are doing it all the time - all the islamic tribes are doing it and so are the honkeys too
therefore nearly most muslims in this country don't understand it haha
but it is the escape clause for muslims - do you see - you kuffurs cannot understand it and we will make it what we think because of your ignorance
you couldnt make it up but they do and also the warmongering so calle prophet made it all up to hahahahahahah
Oh - and as for killing innocent people - they are doing it all the time - all the islamic tribes are doing it and so are the honkeys too
rob_dylan - A shame to see chit chatters arguing. In a strange way I feel partly responsible.
you sh1t stirrer - you should be ashamed of yourself.
you sh1t stirrer - you should be ashamed of yourself.
Danny Dyer today - 'Is it me or is this geezer completely off his strange looking nut?'
Did he manage to say it himself or was the nation of islam pulling the strings just like the good old day
He's no longer able to speak and has had no involvement with the Nation of Islam since 70s. Apart from that, you made your point well.
The way he treated the great Joe Frazier was an absolute disgrace.
I think he realises that TMM. Smokin' Joe did say some nice things about him in Facing Ali though, so maybe he softened towards the end.
In what way am I a coward? You're the one having a pop at a disabled old man.
you know your a serial exstremist apologist as we have disgust before
Listen, I am the most al-Qaeda one here. What would you expect?
Poor Mikael. Polybot lit up a fat Cuban and blew smoke in his face as he tried getting in the ring. I don't know if the rules allow for a KO before the fight starts but that sucker went down quicker than Jordan's knickers.
Yep, the Trump supporter calls me a racist and gets the decision. I'm now starting to see how you got the Leonard-Hagler fight wrong, EO.
It's a shame the much-banned poster from Newham isn't around. I've no doubt that he'd agree with Trump on plenty, yet I understand him to be a bit of an Ali fan. And he hates robdylan!
TGM hates me? I always thought it was begrudging respect, shows how much I know.
Don't be sore Mikael. Nature is nature. You can't put muscle on your chin.
On Leonard/Hagler have another look in the record books. When your double vision has cleared of course.
On Leonard/Hagler have another look in the record books. When your double vision has cleared of course.
I know what it says in the record books, and I've seen way worse decisions than that one, but I've seen that fight about eight times. I respect your knowledge of boxing, indeed I accept it's greater than my own, but I question your judgement if you're still giving that one to Leonard.
I hear what you're saying about muscle on the chin, even if you're using it metaphorically. I'm hoping your boy Joshua doesn't have any on his.
I hear what you're saying about muscle on the chin, even if you're using it metaphorically. I'm hoping your boy Joshua doesn't have any on his.
Leonard like Ali was a master of nudging the judges his way. Stealing a point here and there and closing out the round to present an image of dominance which may not always have been there. To me the Hagler fight was what it was. A very close fight difficult to score with Leonard doing far better than anybody expected and this may have influenced the judges. Unless I see an out and out robbery I tend not to be too critical of judges as everybody has their own view.
Your comment about Tyson is an interesting one. He had a massive impact on boxing and the division itself in between two great eras of the 70's and 90's. His problems are legion for me though. He burgled an empty house in terms of the fighters he faced in a division where some of the better prospects lost their way in crack dens. It sounds harsh but with the exception of an aged and previously retired Holmes he didn't beat anybody of historical import. For me it's such a shame that Tucker broke his right hand early in their fight because he had similar tools at that time to do the job which Douglas achieved.
Your comment about Tyson is an interesting one. He had a massive impact on boxing and the division itself in between two great eras of the 70's and 90's. His problems are legion for me though. He burgled an empty house in terms of the fighters he faced in a division where some of the better prospects lost their way in crack dens. It sounds harsh but with the exception of an aged and previously retired Holmes he didn't beat anybody of historical import. For me it's such a shame that Tucker broke his right hand early in their fight because he had similar tools at that time to do the job which Douglas achieved.
On Joshua I don't know if you've seen a copy of his amateur fight with White but that's illustrative for me. Joshua was a skinny boy new to the game and White a fully grown man. White put him down but the crucial thing is the kid got up and came back at White. Ali took the occasional trip to the floor but it was what happened then which was relevant. I may be creating myself as a hostage to fortune but I think he'll do okay on that score. Obviously any guy getting hit in the right place by a 17 stones man can take a nap. Hell it even happened to Randy Tex Cobb. I'll reserve judgement on his stamina for now though. But if you said I had to give a prediction it would be very positive. The way he sits down on his punches as he plants reminds me very much of Joe Louis. It isn't any surprise to me that he is blowing guys away. I can't wait for this weekend.
I'm not, nor have I ever been, a Tyson fan. Best night of boxing ever for me was when Holyfield kicked his ass in the first fight. He was a phenomenon though, not seen since Big George, even if he was fortunate to arrive when he did. He was a lot more charismatic, if that's the right choice of word for a convicted rapist, than pre-conversion Foreman was too. Tyson definitely caught the public imagination like few boxers have since.
I've not seen the fight, although I was looking for it. Was Joshua's 3rd fight, Whyte's first! Point taken about physical development though, I'll concede I'd not really taken that into account. Still, 10/1 is a cheap enough price to find out I'm an arse.
Having seen them both I'd say 10/1 is a wise investment. I was most surprised given Whyte's relatively low profile that Joshua was willing to take this fight at this stage. Of course I clearly lean to Joshua and my gut instinct is that it won't go beyond a few rounds but I may even have a bit of 10/1 myself if it's still around.
You can get 11 on here for Whyte to win by stoppage. As you say, it's not going beyond a few rounds.
I'm at a loss to understand why the views of an aging pugilist about anything other than boxing should be considered worthy of publication in a national newspaper.
Here you go Mikael. Look at the size of that ring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDSH8cXtFRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDSH8cXtFRQ
There's also an interview with them both via Johnny Nelson. They don't seem to like each other. Two things I'd say about Whyte is that he isn't difficult to hit but thus far he's taken the shots. At this level it's an exciting match up and if Joshua does a number on him then I grow more confident in my predictions about him.
Watched the fight now. 10/1 you say? Already seen the interview. Some weird stuff going on between them.
I love when a thread settles down and becomes interesting^^^
Be sure to tell that ugly old git I mentioned him next time you're chatting, BTF.
I will send your love, . Seriously good stuff from you guys.
Going back to the interview, the biggest off-putter for me was when Whyte declined the handshake. 10/1 though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ANoaTkKSro
Whyte let him borrow trousers to go clubbing before , Whyte is gonna iron him out he says
Whyte let him borrow trousers to go clubbing before , Whyte is gonna iron him out he says
Eeternaloptimist 10 Dec 15 17:00 Joined: 28 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 35,006 | Blogger: Eeternaloptimist's blog
Poor Mikael. Polybot lit up a fat Cuban and blew smoke in his face as he tried getting in the ring. I don't know if the rules allow for a KO before the fight starts but that sucker went down quicker than Jordan's knickers
Who done this
Poor Mikael. Polybot lit up a fat Cuban and blew smoke in his face as he tried getting in the ring. I don't know if the rules allow for a KO before the fight starts but that sucker went down quicker than Jordan's knickers
Who done this
Whyte clearly doesn't like him if he's lending Joshua his kecks to go clubbing in. Poor AJ. He'd look a right plonker strutting round town like Freddie Mercury with those short trousers on. He'd need a tighter belt as well. Good job he didn't borrow a shirt off him as well as Whyte's got bigger t1tties than Pamela Anderson.
Nelson made a good point during their interview which was also something I commented on after Joshua's demolition of Kevin Johnson a well known durable guy. Whyte was ringside and to me looked pretty shocked Joshua could do that to a decent pro. Nelson got a sly dig in saying he went quiet. He wasn't wrong though.
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