San Bernadino shootings....

Was this one a terrorist attack?.
.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mold-tesco-attack-trial-zack-9524001

The perpetrator said he was inspired by Jihadi John and did it for "White Power" and "in revenge for Lee Rigby".

Or was he just a deranged loon because he was white but the San Bernadino shooters were terrorists because they were Muslim?

Did he have 15 pipe bombs in his garage and an 'innocent' wife with a machine gun with him?

No G2D but he didn't have a shop round the corner in Mold selling machine guns to anyone who wants one... tbf I'll grant you that the girls in Mold tend not to go in for the jihadi stuff in my experience but they are quite capable of giving people a slap if necessary, so you've got me there.

This is about the sb attack.

why on earth would you compare it to an attempted murder in wales to a mass murder.

Something wrong with you.

Well this 'innocent' wife decided to accompany her poor "disgruntled employee" of a hubby to work one fine day and blast everyone in sight!

Now can ye tell me just how many 'disgruntled female partners of "disgruntled employees" have obtained semi-automatic rifles in America and killed 14 innocents lately' and then fired on police officers from her "disgruntled" hubby's hire car whilst going on to their next 'mission'? I know America's women are less violent than NW ones, so i would be interested in the figures?

Do you really want me to google the mass shootings in the US over the past 15 years and categorise them by the religion of the perpetrator and then point out the similarities in terms of apparent motivation and access to weapons?

I don't think I am making myself clear here.

This was a mass shooting in the USA.
This one happened to be performed by a Muslim.
He, and his wife, shot workplace colleagues after perceived bullying.
It is one of many, the overwhelming majority perpetrated by white males.
If you really want to put it into the holy war envelope then go ahead but you cheapen the argument by singling this one out and open the door to those claiming rampant Islamophobia.

Sadly there is very likely to be an organised and pre-meditated random attack that we all fear which will involve several gunmen/women working together.
They are the ones that our under-appreciated and probably underfunded security services are trying to quash against the odds and have so far been incredible at.

Do you really want me to google the mass shootings in the US over the past 15 years and categorise them by the religion of the perpetrator and then point out the similarities in terms of apparent motivation and access to weapons?

Do i really have to repeat that i asked about women?

And google all ye want. When ye come up with a muslim bonnie and clyde one of which (at least) has sworn allegiance to Daesh, who then proceed together to obliterate 14 people (not her work colleagues) and attempt to murder police officers, then i will read with interest..

Even The Cuckoo has changed his stance.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/05/obama-entirely-possible-san-bernardino-attackers-were-radicalized/

What's this radicalised bo11ocks ... it's almost like it's an excuse ... it's not really their fault because they were radicalised WTF
Shoot 'em

We now have a "jihadist terrorist" wielding a machete in Leytonstone tube station.

Compare and contrast this with the bloke wielding a machete in Tesco's Mold.

One is a "terrorist" but the other was just a loon.

One seems to be of foreign origin, and doesn't appear to have integrated very well into our multicultural society.

The other appears to be Welsh, and doesn't appreciate people of foreign origin who go around butchering soldiers in his country.

Maybe they are both 'loons'.

This was a mass shooting in the USA.
This one happened to be performed by a Muslim.
He, and his wife, shot workplace colleagues after perceived bullying.
the aptly named clouseau is the last man on earth clinging to this, may or may not believe those children in rotherham provoked their rapes by the shortness of their dresses.

It is one of many, the overwhelming majority perpetrated by white males.
the mass of shooting crime is, per capita, carried out by blacks and hispanics, though the point partly stands. the overwhelming majority overall is perpetrated by the left (who also the support gun free zones where the shootings occur).

If you really want to put it into the holy war envelope then go ahead but you cheapen the argument by singling this one out and open the door to those claiming rampant Islamophobia.
no need, falls comfortably into the left category.

Sadly there is very likely to be an organised and pre-meditated random attack that we all fear which will involve several gunmen/women working together.
very likely, organised, pre-meditated, several gunmen working together, and yet random.

They are the ones that our under-appreciated and probably underfunded security services are trying to quash against the odds and have so far been incredible at.
to summarise: more secret police with more islamic anti-blasphemy laws, or in the words of obama, "the future does not belong to those who offend the prophet"

Clouseau hatred of white males is shared by the Mayor of Dallas and most liberals.

His blaming of white males is also wrong as some of the shooters have been Hispanic and Jamaican.
One of the more recent ones being a mixed race Brit.

The rush to absolve Islam of any blame for the San Bernadino shootings is the Lefts inexplicable soft spot for the religion of peace.

the aptly named polybot (even named himself after a parrot's arse) seeks to glorify and give an albeit warped justification to a sickening act of violence by claiming it was done "for the cause".

Remember where we used to hear that phrase? When they used to pass the cap around the pub in Kilburn or a bar in Boston.

You elevate the perpetrators to martyrdom status and then sit back and watch the fireworks.

That's some misrepresentation of Polybots post.

Tis you as the sneaky regard for the religion of peace,ti you that's trying to shift the blame onto white males.

The only white males involved in terrorism recently were the Tsarneav brothers,the Boston marathon bombers.

They all have the same things in common,immigrants and religion of peace supporters.

Poly, Rotherham again you snake.
You were jilted by one of those local scrubbers weren't you?

dusty, my level of gorgeousness is officially rated VVS1 unjiltable

Your level of twattishness is officially unparalleled too.

oh i see what you did there mik, not sure of the technical term is but often referred to as aping (as in ape) or parroting, which is unfair as it's a human level device (usually restricted to below 10 years old but human nonetheless).

understandable, and i wouldn't want to criticise you for it, must be a difficult time for you, what with every world leader s****ing at your hope and change messiah, uncalled for innit, i think he's trying quite hard, even gave up a golf game and went to work instead the other day. is there a nobel prize for "awsome-est us president 2015"? there should be

You'd know all about parroting, Polly.

I don't think awsomest should be hyphenated btw. Cheapens the award.

2 things make me doubt the story.

1/ when have the media ever been allowed to invade a crime scene hours after the incident has taken place.

2/ footage showed 4 armed officers/swat pumping bullets into the suv. Each taking turn to fire then retreating behind a wall. All in full view of the cameraman who was positioned behind them, and never once moved. The point to that is, when a media outlet films something, their logo is usually visible at the top of the screen. Ie fox, sky etc. this footage had no logo.... So the question is, who did the filming? CIA?

Frankly it's a load of ballacks, that was perpetuated to persuade Americans to give up their guns, which Obama has been pushing for, for a few years now.

No footage has the logo on the live feed till its been uplinked to Hq I dont think

Obama will have to prise the guns from their cold dead hands.

That rootin tootin west is wild indeed

3 things make me think this  story is a crock of sh1t.

1/ When fake events like this happen there is  always a security drill a few days earlier or happen to be at the same time as the supposed event, this one was no exception.
The Inland regional center in California is same location where in days past active shooter drills had taken place, also nearby drills were taking place at the same time  as the shooting.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrA9KYuE8y4

2/ Always just  after the a staged shooting like this one, usually just one day after family members of the dead will do interviews with the mainstream media (Fox news,  CNN etc.), smiling never crying and not looking that bothered, I think if a member of my family had just been murdered I'd be too devastated to do  an interview, be  the last thing I'd want to do.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUcLjr_oDB4

3/ Alleged shooters in the San Bernardino mass shooting are referred to as actors.
MSNBC on its live coverage of the San Bernardino, California Shooting Hoax slipped up calling the Shooters ACTORS.
You may say this is just a simple slip up but it was made 2 hours apart by 2 different people. The 1st person said it 3 times.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoLET1g-1Zk

It's obvious it was a staged.  Obama has promised that gun control is the number 1 issue of his final year in the presidency.

Makes you wonder why they keep doing these security drills when the interwebbers are on to them. As to your second point, I think it's just a sign of how standards have slipped in Hollywood. They should use her off Eastenders who used to play Frank Butcher's daughter. She was good at crying. As for the MSNBC c0ck-up, words fail me. Amateurs.

The interview with the whole family and family friend is truly bizarre.

Hardly any emotion at all!

They looked even excited to be on tv

Indeed.

Can't believe the whole thing was a set up though. Certainly not by the govt.

The more attacks there are the more people will want arms to defend themselves against these nutters.

If I lived in the US, I'd have a gun if I could (laws vary by state).
But I'm very happy to not have one here, and think we have the better laws.

Actually can I rephrase that, having read more posts ...
Conspiracy theorists, seek help. You are so pathetic I personally don't care, but presumably someone does.
You aren't "more clever" than us or somehow "see a truth only you can see", you just have mental problems.

If I lived in the US, I'd have a gun if I could (laws vary by state).

May be to late JC, as Obama set to announce gun restrictions during an Oval Office “urgent” address to the nation on terrorism later tonight.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-terror-probe-wide...

Actors:
a participant in an action or process.
"employers are key actors within industrial relations"

Conspiracy theorists, seek help. You are so pathetic I personally don't care, but presumably someone does.
You aren't "more clever" than us or somehow "see a truth only you can see", you just have mental problems.

well said, but to clarify, the terrorist attack was indeed probably a conspiracy, but one carried out by devout muslims

For anyone that wants a good laff, POTUS Cuckoo is on CNN @ 12:00..

Yes  some say Obama is a devout muslim.

btw polybotty, as you attempted to word-smith me about highly organised "random" attacks, I think you might find that the perpetrators of the Paris attacks were organised in terms of weaponry, transport and timing but they chose many of their targets at random as I am sure that they didn't have a specific beef about Cambodian restaurants or check the concert listings for the Bataclan to see if they had a heavy metal gig on that night... they just saw the chance to cause devastation and took it. It could have been anywhere, i.e. it was random but organised.

btw the conspiracy nuts should feck off to the Betfair Advanced Applied Maths and Physics forum further down the list. Why they come on here and spout their sh1te is beyond me as it's obvious we aren't intelligent enough to follow the obscure theories.

Fark me he's mentioned radicalization and Fort Hood..

Never mind guns what about bombs ye raving fookwit...

Notice the ''one of us'' gesture when he said Muslim.

Slipped up there, Barack

"Our strategy is we are going to review our strategy"...

That's 15 mins of my life i won't get back.

What a pointless exercise..

First step towards gun control..... that's all that that speech was about

Yep. 2 Mins to admit something he should have done 4 days ago and the rest about gun fackin control that will never ever happen..

G2d, the Cuckoo will only ever disappoint. It will take a lot more lessons before America wakes up, They have a massacre (3+ the shooter) every day of the week.

He infuriates me and i'm not even a yank! I know all POTUS's are puppets, but JHC this buffoon takes the bikkie..

It's governing by numbers, The media really needs changing. Will it happen in our lifetime, indeed IN TIME.

I'm off to my cot before i start posting pics of him wearing a taqiyah and t-shirt with Abu Bakr al-Baghdad on the front.

G'nite Boxy.

GN mate,

clouseau is spot on about random targets and cant believe the media,scudamore got away with calling this an attack on football and banged on about extra security at EPL   games etc
surely any fool knows it was the france v germany element plus hollandes attendance which made it a target and if those 3 factors were involved in a tiddlywinks game that night ,that would have been a target, nothing whats so ever to do with football

1st Time Poster still making excuses still defending.

They picked a football match to maximise casualties,they don't like sport.

I wonder to all those dupes who carried Refugees welcome placards at those German football matches feel safer,do they think they won't bomb us because we kowtowed to them.
I think they despise the craven more than the defiant.

restraunts they dont like eating
concert hall they dont like music
football they dont like sport
train, tubes, areoplanes they dont like transport
beeches they dont like sunbathing holidays
shopping arcaeds they dont like shopping
etc,etc.


your talking shoite there aint many deserts,oil fields in europe to hit,

maximise casualties what about the 100,s in the concert hall they didnt bother killing,what about the 100,s in the restraunts and streets they didnt bother killing

Will you come straight out and praise them,its obvious you sympathise.

Very nice of them not to bother killing some at the concert.
Was it fatigue are did they run out of ammunition.

hardly random
charlie hebdo, then went some distance to a jewish supermarket
france v german football match with the french president in attendance
bataclan which was threatened by muslims numerous times because it was jewish owned and had hosted jewish functions
at san bernadino the muslims targeted a jew and christians they knew, but were planning to head off to another location, perhaps the assigned location

there may be some incidentals, but there is clearly a methodology.

your another cameron why do you call anyone who disagrees with your view a sympathiser ,you couldnt be farther from the truth at least half dozen posts of mine on here where i suggest the security services in the uk should quietly either by killing or removing the so called 750 of note in this country ,and carry on weeding them out,
reminds me of andrew neil been especialy upset after charlie because they were fellow journo,s, so  that means so far
journo,s
sports fans
foodies
music fans
train passengers
tube users
holidaymakers
workers
etc,etc should be especialy offended

its almost 99% obvuious that any target in the west wont be readily available in down town raqqa,also for whatever they say or preach evidence points to these terrorists been sex loving,drug taking ,football loving, gambling loving playboys

I call you a sympathiser because all your posts I've read is some kind of defence,they are dripping with grudging admiration.

Your solution of killing a few of them while admirable wont work on its own you must stop importing them,you must stop funding Muslim organisations.

dripping with grudging admiration

your talking absolute shoite

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What kind of bird is that smart one g2d? Is it some type of Oriole?

It's the lesser known Obama Cuckoo, MM..

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Michelle?

g2d

Lot of Cuckoo`s in the good old U S of A

Too many. Not so in Engerland i believe, but plenty in your gaff?

Plenty of Cuckoo's in cities  and market towns here, .

Being nuts is compulsory here but tbf only when we are riled

As Smeaton warned the terrorists when they attacked Prestwick, "Don`t come here or we`ll get stuck in aboot ye"!

Btw, i did have my ornithologist head on then.

My apologies g2d. Cuckoos used to be plentiful around here but I haven`t seen one in 20 years. Same with Skylarks, Thrushes and Linnets they all seem to have disappeared.

g2d you might know the answer to this, where did Noah keep the woodpeckers on his wooden boat.

Give up

Fark me i never knew the road runner was a cuckoo...

I heard somewhere once, MM that cuckoos were more prevalant in Scotland than Engerland..

I did as well, it a mystery, it's from  Darren "Whackhead" Simpsons phone in show. if you have not seen it have a look. BMW complaint. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMJhOSdxQVg

Top that. She sounds cute as well..

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You`re right g2d, but sadly their has been a lot of building about here the past 20 years and their woodland habitat has disappeared in this proximity.

from The Scotsman recently:

While the species is in serious decline south of the Border, new research shows that in Scotland the birds are becoming increasingly common. The future looks so bleak for the birds in England that some experts believe Scotland could eventually become their last refuge within the UK. An analysis of three years of bird sightings within 10km sq plots across the UK - for the British Trust for Ornithology's Bird Atlas 2007-11 - reveals cuckoos are thriving in Scotland, and in mass decline in England and Wales.


And the latest BTO Breeding Bird Survey shows cuckoos struggling to survive in large swathes of the UK. It revealed a 60 per cent decline in cuckoos between 1995 and 2008 in England, a 37 per cent decline in Wales, but a 6 per cent increase in Scotland.

Dawn Balmer, Bird Atlas co-ordinator with the BTO thinks cuckoos are growing in number in Scotland even faster than thought. "Figures do suggest Scotland could become a refuge for cuckoos," she said. Experts have theories about the change. These include varied food availability, loss of habitat in England and climate change causing shifts in breeding times. "One thought is that adult cuckoos like fairly big caterpillars and maybe the food supply is better in Scotland," said Balmer. "This could have happened because of climate change." It could also be linked to the cuckoo's ability to find a nest in which to lay eggs.

Cuckoos are parasites, laying their eggs in other birds' nests, but if the host bird, such as the meadow pipit, has started breeding earlier, their nests may not be available at the right time. "They could be getting out of sync with each other," said Balmer.

Professor Jeremy Wilson, RSPB Scotland head of research, said: "Cuckoos seem to be faring much better in Scotland than in England. Indeed, numbers in the Highlands may well be increasing, while in lowland England they are declining fast."

I don't blame em not breeding in Engerland. More mosques than trees..

The two people behind the San Bernardino attack that killed 14 people had target practice days before, the FBI has said.
Tashfeen Malik and husband Syed Farook visited ranges in the Los Angeles area, said David Bowdich, assistant director of the FBI's Los Angeles office.
He said both were radicalised and had been "for some time".
Officials said there is no evidence yet that the deadly attacks were plotted from overseas.
The FBI did not have an investigation open on Farook before he and his wife opened fire on his colleagues at a work event at a health centre.
Investigators said they found 19 pipes that could have been turned into bombs at the now-deceased couple's apartment, rather than the 12 previously reported.

Trained in the good old USofA

so sure were they that they did it that they let the press destroy any forensics they may have obtained from the flat by letting them prance around taking selfies. and then rather than try to obtain any information of their connections executed them, in the same way that they did with bin laden, and the boston guy, its as if, if they were alive they may have exposed that these so called terrorists were not involved in the way we thought

its funny that the officials know so much about these terrorists, but didnt know that bin laden was working for them under the name of tim osman

"the boston guy, its as if, if they were alive they may have exposed that these so called terrorists were not involved in the way we thought"

His brother badly injured,Dzhokhar Anzorovich "Jahar" Tsarnaev was taken to the  Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, after treatment he was able to stand trial, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON!!! YOU ABSOLUTE PLANK.

if you mean stand trial drugged out of your mind that your friends didnt recognise you,go back and play with the rest of the sheeple

You stated that 'they' wanted them dead but they only managed to injure him??? how remiss of them. Oh ffs I can't be bothered with you. Go and read you conspiracy newsletter.

The FBI had finished with the apartment before they turned it back over to the landlord. So any 'forensics' and or other evidence was already safely locked away.

And the media broke in.

“Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their ****g skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”

as if the media would be allowed to wander around a real crime scene,forensics could not be obtained that quickly, that was a show put on for people that are unable to use critical thought processes so they shout "conspiracy theories" like parrots at anyone to dares to think for themselves rather than get their world view from the popular media

28k paid into Syed Farooks account a week or so before his 'disgruntled tiff' Apparently a loan. He gave some to his mother, and bought some virgins with the rest.

Sooooo maybe this was planned eh?

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/08/us/tashfeen-malik-syed-rizwan-farook-radic...

g2d - You are missing Simon Pegg on Ross Show now ITV

It comes to summat when i would rather have a pint with an Abdul than Pegg..

I won't even watch MI filums cos that twát is in em..

Not to mention his Oscar winning performances (you must love him) as Scotty in Star Trek...

The twunt must wake up every morning and think "I'm really gonna pay for this luck in my next life"

No comment needed

MM knows what buttons to press

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