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06 Nov 15
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Smoking. Drinking in moderation may even benefit you, smoking always harms you, in many ways, and is always increasing the probability of cancer.
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And in addition, drinking is way, way better.
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always wondered, cos when I was a kid you couldn't smoke until 16...always been 18 for drinking.
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I passed an attractive woman in the street this week, my first thought was "nice", second was "ugh .. smokes".
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Drinking by a mile.
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if someone smokes one cigar a day but knocks back over 16 units of booze a day..what will kill him first???
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I have friends who have drunk all there live and friends who have smoked all there life.....The drinkers looked a lot lot worse.
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Ok maybe not all there lives but you know what i mean.
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Someone who drinks the average amount a drinker does is unlikely to die of it, someone who smokes the average amount a smoker does has a massively higher chance of ill effects or death.
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I'm much better at drinking.
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I think a heavy drinker would be dead before a heavy smoker. Having said that most heavy drinkers smoke too.
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Neither they are good for us, smoking probably, but I believe it should be peoples free choice
The taxes on both smoking and alcohol are now draconian and unfair One only has to warn people of their lifestyle choices...not try to use compulsion |
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Alcohol is a gift from god, not the devils brew
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smoking. particularly the crack.
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It's obviously smoking.
If you're including going to include everything to excess you might as well say "What's worst for you, Smoking or Eating Fat" - someone who eats fat all day will die young, but in of itself it's not bad for you in moderation. Booze won't kill you in moderation. Smoking on the other hand IS just bad for you, even in moderation. |
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To physical health, smoking is much worse.
But drinking has significantly more impact on your mental health, and can impact on similar aspects of your life or those around you. |
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There's only one way to sort this out:
The forum buys me as much Moet & Chandon or Veuve Clicquot as I can drink, and also buys acey duey as many Regal King Size as he can smoke. We'll both check back once a year to tell you if we're still alive. How does that sound? |
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If you go by the risk reward philosophy...sure people can get there daily fix by smoking 20 ciggies a day to get their 'high'....but try drinking 20 pints a day.
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Lot of Countries with High smoking Poulations with very high Life expectancy
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I.e Greece Spain Japan
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.. and america has lots of guns, and a high life expectancy, conclusion must be guns can't harm you?
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Monaco in the top 50 smokers 89 u can expect to live to there and must be a small population
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u r talking about smoking and alcohol JC ,I actually think ,all in all Alcohol causes More deaths and Certainly more misery than smoking will ever do ,not that I would advise anyone to take up either
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More deaths is pushing it
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FFS.
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/risk/tobacco#heading-Zero "Tobacco is the single most preventable cause of death in the world.[2] Tobacco smoking caused an estimated 101,000 deaths in the UK in 2010 - almost a fifth (18%) of all deaths from all causes.[3] It caused an estimated 43,000 cancer deaths in the UK in 2010 - more than a quarter (27%) of all cancer deaths.[2] Tobacco (both active smoking and environmental tobacco smoke) causes almost a fifth (19%) of all cancer cases in the UK each year.[1]" |
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I am not disagreeing with those figures just checking, but surely this is own peoples own choice??????
as long as they have been warned I see no role for government in this Also if one was a Tory(I am not) this clearly contradicts the idea of free market forces???????? Market Forces decide the price of tobacco, the tax should be the same as on all other items. Although one can add a little to cover increased cost to the National Health service In fact all taxes raised on tobacco and alcohol should go straight to the National Health service, we no right to use it for anything else. |
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If we did that we might cure cancer, which would be the perfect solution
Everyone can then smoke and drink to their hearts content. |
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ebulgery I agree with you, it's people's own choice. I'm a liberal, in the proper sense of the word, before people started using the moronic yank meaning of "socialist". If you harm other people (which smoking can) then there may be a place for controls, but if you want to smoke or drink yourself to death in your own home, your choice. As long as you are properly informed.
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Though maybe if you go to the doctor and he tells you you're screwing your health and you keep at it, maybe the NHS support should be limited down the line, it's like health insurance not a guarantee.
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I`ve known folk who smoked since they were 12 and lived well into their eighties. I`ve also known people who didn`t smoke or drink who died in their 50s. Smoking is certainly not a healthy habit and it will curtail one`s longevity.
Alcohol is a serious killer too, although statistics are much lower than smoke related deaths. 4 close friends of mine died from drink related illnesses when they were in their 40s. Gambling is an unhealthy habit too. Stress kills and most gamblers suffer from stress. 3 very close friends of mine committed suicide in their twenties due to gambling. Most serious illnesses are genetic imo but if I were asked to give young people 3 pieces of advice, it would be: Don`t drink Don`t smoke Don`t gamble |
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Don`t drink
Don`t smoke Don`t gamble Well that's you alienated 99% of the forum :) |
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Don`t drink Don`t smoke Don`t gamble  you have lost me there mightymac......if you don't do any of them three what exactly is the point of living Another thing if people don't drink or smoke, then what do they turn to...well food, especially sweet stuff so we are now suffering an obesity epidemic....are we actually achieving anything here??????????????????? |
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Alcohol is cheap.
If you want to get drunk, you can probably do it for less than a fiver - couple of big bottles of cider. Or, maybe less… http://ampp3d.mirror.co.uk/2014/05/16/how-to-get-drunk-in-britain-for-1-99/ Loads of more expensive options if you want to drink quality alcoholic drinks…or require company! |
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Perhaps the answer is we do the above MODERATION..it is the excess causes the problem
I do not see the point of giving everything just to live an ascetic lifestyle??????????????????????????? Worse still force it on other people  |
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3 very close friends of mine committed suicide in their twenties due to gambling
Three ffs. Are you sure you're not the common factor thmightymac!? |
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depends how you look at it
if you compare 1 drink unit with one cigarette then quite clealy 20 cigs is better than 20 units a day as the drink will almost finish you off after 30 years. whereas 5 units a day won't kill you whereas there si as small chane 5 cigs will after so many years normally ,smokers smoke more than drinkers drink |
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Drinking costs more
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