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05 Oct 15
20:57
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Was searching for the post release thread and couldn't find it. Was it deleted? Thought it would be interesting to see what was said on it in light of recent events.
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Which of the 1,000 were you looking for?
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given the evidence at the trial i remember posting that he ought to have been given the benefit of the doubt,from memory i got slaughtered on here.
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He will get off very soon. What happens after that will be a litigational and press free for all.
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I thought views were spread about 50-50 on his guilt on views from the forum.
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Im a Blade, so maybe a little biased. But word round the campfire is there are gonna be a lot of stupid looking people round here, starting with Ennis.
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I could never get my head around the fact one got off & the other was found guilty.
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This case i tought was a complete farce from the start. I think their was footage of the girl going back to the taxi to get a pizza. This will be quashed no doubt. This case stinked from the start. The girl in q was posting about mini's (MAYBE). Look this is going to be thrown out. And i am from a different country. I said to people this is a no brainer. THIS IS GOING TO BE QUASHED.
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Black your right. I am not from the uk and reading the case it's bollix. It's going to get quashed. The deleted social media evidence is going to destroy them id say.
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hello ched
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The verdict in this case is hugely dependent on the jury's assessment of the girl's drunkenness and her readiness to have sex with a famous stranger. I would argue that if the jury was made up of genuine peers, i.e. sexually active men and women in their early 20s, Evans would not have been convicted; on the other hand, fill it with middle aged to seniors and you would be more likely to find him guilty.
the problem is, however, despite the hugely subjective nature of the decision, if the trial was fair and all the evidence was presented, the verdict is legally sound despite the fact that the jury may have reached the wrong decision. And you can't get a retrial off that. i do struggle to see how sex under "compromised consent" is equivalent to violent rape. |
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The problem I had was that no allowances was being made that the evidence pointed to it being a borderline case and decision and that it if guilty it would have been at the bottom end of the spectrum for that crime, being lumped in with some really vile people as if all were the same. He was vilified in the media for not apologising in a more honourable fashion, and by implication was not allowed to protest his innocence. Further, because of the media frenzy and public bandwagon jumping he was not allowed to resume his career, exacerbating the punishment of the borderline decision.
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The incident left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.
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pumphol. 06 Oct 15 23:18
I could never get my head around the fact one got off & the other was found guilty. I'm not saying what is right or wrong about the case or the verdict but this bit is pretty straight forward to me. The first fellow was invited back to the hotel by the girl i.e consent , ched evans was not invited back to the hotel by the girl, he got a text from a mate to come around. So it's easy to see how one got off and the other didn't |
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it was the grounds for the first appeal.
again it's subjective but you might like to assume that the probability of her consenting to have sex with a man she had just met on the street and the probability of her consenting to sex with a man she just met in a hotel room may not be significantly divergent. apparently, beyond reasonable doubt represents a probability of greater than .91. if i were to construct all possible narratives of events that happened that evening, there is no way i could ascribe a less than 9% chance to narratives which involves the girl giving consent to both men. i find it much easier ascribe a less than 9% chance that this sort of reasoning went through the jury's mind..... |
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I could find it very easy to understand a girl meeting a fella and coming back to a hotel to have sex.
I find it much harder to believe she then said give your mate a text and get him round to have a go too. |
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surely the whole conviction rested on the level of the girls inebriation.if new evidence has emerged that she knew what was happening then evans' appeal should be successful.
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