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Report casemoney September 12, 2015 11:05 PM BST
Labour party is finnish Sad
Report curious-cat September 12, 2015 11:13 PM BST
yes

Blair lied and Brown was just incompetent.

Good to have someone with beliefs.
Report maleuk01. September 12, 2015 11:30 PM BST
get him in power curious cat and you will have millions more with beliefs flooding the country.

All Islamic ones.

How could anyone seriously vote for him?

Labour have zero chance of ever getting elected with him in charge.
Report akabula September 12, 2015 11:42 PM BST
The Tories are dancing in the streets.
Report Foinavon September 12, 2015 11:42 PM BST
I have never voted Tory, but it looks like I will have to in future. The days of sitting on the fence are over.
Report Just Checking September 12, 2015 11:54 PM BST
What are the choices? The Libs uare now anonymous or useless, Labour are now unelectable, UKIP are UKIP, the greens are just fruitcakes. As long as the Tories don't do something stupid and move to the right they seem to be a shoe in.
Report epicurean September 13, 2015 1:37 AM BST
The Labour party has been taken over by the Communists.

Corbyn has always been a Communist masquarading as  a  Labour politician.
Report Facts September 13, 2015 2:17 AM BST
Utter nonsense.

In Corbyn, you have a man with principals and morals. An honest man who cares about peoples basic rights. A caring man who believes no one should suffer the indignities of austerity that are being imposed upon the less fortunate in our society. A decent man, who will fight for justice and fairness.
Report epicurean September 13, 2015 2:34 AM BST
Facts I don't doubt  his sincerity or beliefs  but he's still a Communist in my opinion .
Report brendanuk1 September 13, 2015 3:41 AM BST
clearly a new obsession for Tories Grin
Report akabula September 13, 2015 10:03 PM BST
He's asked the Labour party to unite behind him.
This from a man who went against the party in over 300 votes. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report ebulGery September 13, 2015 10:08 PM BST
If he is a communist I will vote for him, I am a communist myself

I agree with Facts I want somebody who will stand up for the less fortunate in our society, the poor

against the excesses of the rich
Report akabula September 13, 2015 10:10 PM BST
Ebul how many refugees will you be taking into your home?
Report ebulGery September 13, 2015 10:14 PM BST
Russia will not accept any refugees so neither would I

I do feel sorry for the refugees

The problem is we let too may Muslims in already who were not refugees, our cultures do not mix well

The refugees are paying the price for this
Report akabula September 13, 2015 10:17 PM BST
So you're not really a communist then.
Report ebulGery September 13, 2015 10:21 PM BST
Well depends on your definition of a communist akabula

I believe in economic equality for the people of this country....that is it

Letting in more and more people into this country, disadvantages our own poor

Perhaps I should set up a communist party all of my ownLaugh
Report Steamship September 13, 2015 10:24 PM BST
I've always voted Liberal but I was not impressed by Farron's attempt to discredit Corbyn re the Bin Laden question. I don't know a great deal about Corbyn's politics but I really like Tom Watson and the work that he has done.
Report rogerthebutler September 14, 2015 8:06 AM BST
Will you vote for corbyn????

Depends what the alternatives are.
Report the.mad.dog.man September 14, 2015 8:39 AM BST
yessssssssssssssssssssssss
Report bix September 14, 2015 8:53 AM BST
Unfortunately all these ideals and principals have to be paid for which is where Labour always fall down by borrowing and spending money they dont have and then leaving someone else to sort it all out.
Report lewisham ranger September 14, 2015 9:33 AM BST
I voted labour in the last election but absolutely zero chance I will do so again if Corbyn is still the leader.
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 9:55 AM BST
PMQs

getting other MPs to stand in for him Excited
Report jumper September 14, 2015 9:55 AM BST
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34209478

24 things that Jeremy Corbyn believes

No spin, either way. Just facts and you can either agree with each of them or not. I suspect a lot of people will agree with some though not all and depending on your political views, if you have any strong ones that is, the left will agree with most of these ideas, the right will agree with less.
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 10:03 AM BST
“I don’t think another Scottish referendum would be credible and I don’t think it is particularly likely.

19. Ireland should be united. Corbyn has long supported British withdrawal from Northern Ireland
Report jumper September 14, 2015 10:22 AM BST
19 isn't that controversial. Sinn Fein probably going to become the next official opposition in Ireland in 2016 and could well be the governing party in 2021.

Immigration going to be an interesting one for him. The issue for the left if you bring in large amounts of unskilled labour thus driving down wages further for those already working in low grade and low paid work.

Most of the others are not that controversial. Number 5 probably the most that would cause debate. If enacted, would have to be strictly scale and controlled or inflation would rise dramatically.

Here's the full list.


1. The deficit should be paid off - but not through spending cuts and not to an "arbitrary" deadline. Instead Corbyn would fund its reduction via higher taxes for the rich and a crackdown on tax avoidance and evasion while tackling "corporate welfare" and tax breaks for companies.

2. Britain's railways should be renationalised. He is also opposed to the HS2 rail scheme, saying it would turn northern cities into "dormitories for London businesses".

3. Far more allotments would be good for the UK. He has a plot near his constituency in north London and told the Commons in 2008 that councils and builders "should be doing their best to ensure that every new development includes some allotment space".

4. Talking to militant groups is necessary to win peace in the Middle East. Corbyn faced heavy criticism for using the word "friends" to describe Hamas and Hezbollah. He has responded by saying he had used the term in a "collective way" adding that while he does not agree with either organisation, a peace process means "you have to talk to people with whom you may profoundly disagree".

5. "Quantitative easing for people" could be used to invest in housing, energy, transport and digital projects. Unlike the £375bn issued electronically by the Bank of England between 2009 and 2012 to buy bonds, gilts and other debts, this would be "QE for people instead of banks", Corbyn says. Tax campaigner Richard Murphy argues these plans would stimulate the economy and boost employment. But Shadow Chancellor Chris Leslie attacked the proposal, saying it would lead to higher inflation and interest rates, hurting the poor most.

6. Replacing Trident would be a costly mistake. Corbyn, a long-term CND member, says plans to replace the nuclear missile system should be ditched. He believes the project's £100bn price tag could be better spent "on our national well-being".

7. A National Education Service modelled on the NHS should be established. Under Corbyn, state-funded academies and free schools would be forced to return to local authority control while university tuition fees would be scrapped and replaced with grants. Corbyn would look at ending the charitable status of public schools, although he accepts this would be complicated and might not happen immediately. He reportedly split up with one of his former wives following a disagreement over whether to send their son to a grammar school or a comprehensive. Asked recently if the break-up was over an "an issue of principle", Corbyn told the Guardian newspaper: "I feel very strongly about comprehensive education, yes."

8. Labour should not support air strikes against Islamic State in Syria. Corbyn, who is national chair of the Stop the War Coalition, believes innocent Syrians would suffer and the supply of arms and funds to the Islamic State group should be cut off instead. He opposed military action against the Assad regime in 2013 and was a prominent critic of the invasion of Iraq. His website says he wants to see "illegal wars" replaced with a "foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance". Asked during a Sky News hustings whether there were any circumstances in which he would deploy UK military forces, Corbyn said: "I'm sure there are some but I can't think of them at the moment."

9. Rent controls should be re-introduced, linking private rents to local earnings, and more council houses should be built. He also believes that council tenants' right to buy their homes should be extended to private sector renters.

10. The Chagos islanders evicted from Diego Garcia should be allowed to return. Some 2,000 people were displaced from the British Indian Ocean territory between 1967 and 1971 to make way for a US air base. Corbyn has been a long-standing supporter of their campaign to go back.

11. The immigration debate has been "quite unpleasant". In an interview with Channel 4 News, Corbyn said the current discourse around the issue "fails to recognise the huge contribution migrants have made to this country". He added: "We should let people into this country who are desperate to get somewhere safe to live".

12. The dispute between the UK and Argentina over the Falkland Islands could be resolved with "some degree of joint administration". In an interview with the BBC in 2013 he said other territorial disputes had been settled in this way, and under such an arrangement the islanders' British nationality could be maintained. He added that during the 1982 Falklands conflict it had been in Margaret Thatcher's interests to "divert attention from her catastrophic economic issues". During the leadership campaign, a Corbyn spokesman said he supported "a long-term negotiated settlement" that took the islanders' views into account.

13. High property prices are leading to the closure of London pubs. In 2013, he said in the Commons that pub companies "make a great deal of money out of selling them" to developers.


14. An arms embargo should be imposed on Israel. Corbyn, who is a patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, said in August that Palestinian refugees should be given a "right of return". He supported a boycott of goods produced in Israeli settlements and of Israeli universities that engage in arms research.

15. Corbyn is a committed republican, but he would not seek to end the monarchy. He told the New Statesman: "It's not the fight I'm going to fight - it's not the fight I'm interested in."

16. Remaining in the European Union but with changes. Corbyn says he is not content with the EU as it stands, but wants to stay to fight for a "better Europe". He had previously refused to rule out campaigning to leave. He also opposes the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal.

17. Corbyn backs cycling. He does not own a car and declined to share one with the BBC's Chris Mason for an interview, saying: "I cycle all the time. Actually I've got a confession to make, a rather naughty secret - I've got two bikes." He is also a member of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Cycling.

18. Energy companies should be under public ownership. He says he would be "much happier" with a "regulated, publicly run service delivering energy supplies". He is "totally opposed" to fracking. However, he says deep-mine coal pits in the north of England could be reopened.

19. Ireland should be united. Corbyn has long supported British withdrawal from Northern Ireland and invited Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams to the House of Commons as far back as 1984. He was criticised for observing a minute's silence for eight IRA members killed by the SAS in 1987 and once employed Irish Republican Ronan Bennett as a member of staff at Westminster.

20. A national maximum wage should be introduced to cap the salaries of high earners. He would also introduce a windfall tax on former state assets such as the Royal Bank of Scotland, which he says were privatised too cheaply.

21. Every child should have the chance to learn a musical instrument or act on stage. Corbyn's arts policy also includes directing a greater proportion of funding to local projects, widening access and protecting the BBC.

22. Private Finance Initiative deals with the NHS should be ended by using government funds to buy them out. Writing in the Guardian, Corbyn said they were a "mess" that were costing the health service billions.

23. A "serious debate about the powers of Nato" is needed, but Corbyn has said there is not "an appetite as a whole for people to leave". Corbyn has previously supported withdrawal and believes it should have been wound up in 1990 at the same time as the Warsaw Pact. He also said open eastward expansion of Nato would lead the Russian military to conclude that it had "to expand to counteract Nato".

24. The arms trade should be restricted. Corbyn would like to see the "brilliance and skill of those in the arms industry be converted for peaceful purposes".
Report Danno September 14, 2015 10:28 AM BST
Don't agree with most of his policies and would never vote for him, but I do think it's good to have a genuine opposition, and a chance for the electorate to choose between very different parties.  At least you can be sure that he'll stand by his principles and is unlikely to be turned by money or power.

At times it was difficult to see the differences between the career politicians of the Tories & Labour parties.  However, the labour leadership contest was like having a vote to see who would captain the Titanic.
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 10:29 AM BST
say a company want to recruit someone who's well respected,and could save company

prob is maximum wage

20.
Report Pounf September 14, 2015 10:33 AM BST
I couldnt vote for anybody that puts Dianne Abbott in charge of anything
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 10:36 AM BST
anyone here,think Tory's too right wing
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 10:38 AM BST
If he is a republican, assume he is, then no will not vote for him.
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 10:44 AM BST
If he is not Christian, then again no vote.
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 10:46 AM BST
your a bible junkie lfc
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 10:46 AM BST
If he is pro diversity as opposed to cultural imperialism then again no vote.
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 10:50 AM BST
If he likes to pretend he is a nice person then no vote, a British pm must be feared not liked.
Report Facts September 14, 2015 10:52 AM BST
Not Cameron then. He's just despised and hated
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 10:53 AM BST
If he is pro abortion, no vote, 6 million killed in Britain alone since legal.
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 10:55 AM BST
If he allows foreign flags in London, no vote
Report Facts September 14, 2015 10:56 AM BST
Ok. FOYDC
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 10:58 AM BST
If he likes poor people, no vote, Peop people dont like poor people. Nobody can deny that?
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 10:58 AM BST
If he allows foreign flags in London, no vote???
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 11:02 AM BST
No foreign flags except on embassies.
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 11:04 AM BST
even during world cup
Report lfc1971 September 14, 2015 11:08 AM BST
Perfectly acceptable during world cup, but only for the home nations and not Ireland...scotkand as well but they wont qualify.
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 11:12 AM BST
flag coffin
Report rob_dylan September 14, 2015 11:23 AM BST
I would respect a labour party getting trounced with JC at the helm far more than I ever respected them trouncing the tories with T Blair at the helm.
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 12:05 PM BST
heres best article ive read so far


http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/1328659-stephen-daisley-on-jeremy-corbyns-election-as-labour-leader/
Report rob_dylan September 14, 2015 12:17 PM BST
When will the labour party get rid of Jeremy Corbyn?

2015        2/1
2016        2/1
2017        4/1
2018        8/1
2019        10/1
2020 or later     10/1
Report xmoneyx September 14, 2015 12:21 PM BST
the center wing of labour party should let corbyn have a free ride next election

job done if he loses massively
Report rob_dylan September 14, 2015 12:25 PM BST
If you could get the kids and the benefit scroungers off their backside and down the election booths it mightn't be such a thrashing but the lazy fookers won't get up and do it, they'd rather sit back and moan about the status quo without voting to change it.
Report macarony September 14, 2015 12:44 PM BST
Looking at some of his polices I can't see him living past the next couple of years. There will be lining up to take him out.
Report Foinavon September 14, 2015 1:00 PM BST
He is for public ownership of energy companies and against fracking but doesn't say how he will keep the lights on apart from a few deep coal mines which won't do the job and will be expensive.
Is he in favour of nuclear power or does he think a few more windmills are the answer?

He likes allotments and so do I. Half the allotments on the site I use are not occupied anymore since the LABOUR council more than tripled the rents. No new tenants are coming along although this is a densly populated area so the situation will get worse. Rents are going up again next month Crazy.
Report macarony September 14, 2015 1:29 PM BST
The bio digester is the simple answer to all our power and gas needs, so long as there is bio mass life on earth we can produce methane gas.
But that would mean ending the power monopolies of some the most devious greedy corrupt bastards on earth, and there lays the problem.
Report Foinavon September 14, 2015 2:07 PM BST
Would take an awful lot of biomass to replace the 200 million tonnes oil equivalent we consume in the UK annually. It has it's place but we are still dependent on Arab oil and Russian gas for the forseeable future.

I liked the analysis of Corbyn you posted xmoneyx. Interesting to see a Scottish perspective since to get elected Labour would need to win back many Scottish constituencies or form an alliance with SNP.
Report macarony September 14, 2015 2:19 PM BST
Foinavon
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Would take an awful lot of biomass to replace the 200 million tonnes oil equivalent we consume in the UK annually. It has it's place but we are still dependent on Arab oil and Russian gas for the forseeable future.

We have pleanty of sh1t and vegetation in this country don’t forget methane is the most abundant combustible gas on the planet.
Methane is also a greenhouse gas, so capturing some of the methane and burning it off before it seeps into the atmosphere is a win win situation.
Report Foinavon September 14, 2015 3:14 PM BST
Yes, I'm in agreement with all that and sewage treatment plants do recuperate and use methane to provide some of the energy they consume. Waste water treatment is very energy intensive and consumes  more than is recovered in this way. We can do more in this direction I'm sure. I think we need a lot more nuclear generation though if we are to reduce both our dependence on fossil fuels and our carbon dioxide emissions.
Report macarony September 14, 2015 3:20 PM BST
A lot of farmers are investing in bio digesters, some are even giving up farming altogether.
sign of the times.
Report dunlaying September 14, 2015 6:18 PM BST
If he is a man with principles he can only be good for British politics. The system needs revitalising.
Report Facts September 14, 2015 8:14 PM BST
rob_dylan     14 Sep 15 12:25 
If you could get the kids and the benefit scroungers off their backside and down the election booths it mightn't be such a thrashing but the lazy fookers won't get up and do it, they'd rather sit back and moan about the status quo without voting to change it.




I think you'll find that a significant amount of the votes for Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party came from the ' kids '
Report akabula September 14, 2015 9:06 PM BST
Seemingly all the other political parties had a whip round and sent a wreath to the Labour Party's HQs. Laugh
Report treetop September 14, 2015 9:19 PM BST
Corbyn is a breath of fresh air in that he has exposed the vaccuity(?)in UK politics. If he does half decent it may bring about a welcome change of approach at Westminster.He wouldn't get my vote however.
Report akabula September 14, 2015 9:25 PM BST
He strikes me as another Galloway albeit a slightly more subdued version.
Report treetop September 14, 2015 9:34 PM BST
Interesting idea aka,what if George Gallowayseeks to get back into the Labour party under Corbyn who might support GG ? He could be used as an attack dog on the shadow front bench,quite a few would be wary of him.
Report akabula September 14, 2015 9:41 PM BST
I doubt it tt. Galloway is a busted flush and everyone including himself knows that.
Been exposed as a liar on too many occasions to have any credibility in parliament.
Report FredRescue September 14, 2015 9:42 PM BST
Been exposed as a liar on too many occasions to have any credibility in parliament.



Not sure that would bust his credibility in Westminster imo
Report boxingthefox September 14, 2015 9:43 PM BST
Hi treetop, hope you are well and winning, he may be a breath of fresh air, but don't forget Carbon monoxide is a colorless, odorless and tasteless gas, and my worry is I've already experienced, headaches, dizziness, and nausea, by his Pollyanna, utterances, and shadow cabinet appointments. Sad
Report mad mad moon September 14, 2015 10:11 PM BST
I think you'll find that a significant amount of the votes for Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party came from the ' kids '

And thats the problem. 6th formers and students have to be left wing to have any street cred (Hague, Gove, and Mandelson among the few exceptions)
As soon as they graduate and get a job in a bank or in insurance they turn Tory overnight.
Report Facts September 14, 2015 11:08 PM BST
boxingthefox     14 Sep 15 21:43 
Hi treetop, hope you are well and winning, he may be a breath of fresh air, but don't forget Carbon monoxide is a colorless, odorless and tasteless gas, and my worry is I've already experienced, headaches, dizziness, and nausea, by his Pollyanna, utterances, and shadow cabinet appointments.




You're being silly again.
Report boxingthefox September 14, 2015 11:10 PM BST
Sad
Report boxingthefox September 15, 2015 12:48 PM BST
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh ooooooooh you are a wag Facts, at least I think that's the word I'm looking forWink
Report boxingthefox September 15, 2015 12:48 PM BST
Is the air any fresher today?????
Report bix September 16, 2015 8:53 AM BST
Facts.
Could you show us a country which has successfully permanently embraced your left wing ideology? If it's the answer to so many problems it must be there as an example for us all.
Report rob_dylan September 16, 2015 9:00 AM BST
Russia.
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