Turkey Is A Safe Country!!!!

to the OP I hope it aint safe,my manager is going there next week nough said

It's because people are like sheep. If someone says that the grass is greener over there, then that's where the sheep will go. Simple.
It's ok until the native sheep complain that their grass is all gone.

^^^ yep but makes me fume how the media ignoring the fact that most of these "desperate" people are coming from Turkey...in no danger whatsoever and could carry on with a life there!

Totally agree with the OP and have been saying the same (much to the disgust of others), they where being sent money from a relative in Canada as well. The father decided to board one of those rafts to go to Kos with the plan of traveling all the way to Canada, why was he putting his wife and kids at risk with this bizarre idea of getting to a country they had already been denied asylum??

it's good to see some of you writing what I have been thinking.

Because the promise of an open door policy (in Germany) was being dangled in front of them, a hysteria has gripped these people via the internet / word of mouth. It's quite obvious why things have kicked off, if you stand back and look at it.

They don't stay in Turkey because they're not welcome, they don't get the same  access and opportunities to employment/education, Turkey can take years to process refugee's no thanks to the nationalism the politicians are always fronting, only illegal work is available, Europe treats them like humans.

I thought these people were refugees fleeing for their lives scandinavian? You make it seem like the world is just various types of Holiday Camp with Turkey being Pontins and Europe being Butlins. If you aren't in immediate danger then surely that is the safe haven you have craved?

Was saying to the other half earlier that surely the people were refugees when entering Turkey.When they set sail in whatever craft to reach Greece they surely become econmic migrants.

yes but in their own country (syria libya iraq etc) they dont treat themselves as humans ie sunil hate shia and vice versa

wtf are they over here for they aint going to change ask the 1400 victims in rotherham (tens of thousands elsewhere)

they aint western and they NEVER will be

try and build a church in mecca saudi arabia and you will get what i mean

Sep 3, 2015 -- 8:19PM, fool proof wrote:

Was saying to the other half earlier that surely the people were refugees when entering Turkey.When they set sail in whatever craft to reach Greece they surely become econmic migrants.

blinding truth - why have no politicians said this???

230 thousand so the bbc say have said let more refugEes in but they didnt say that 55 million of us have said fkall

so we are democracy where majority rules

thats says to me WE DONT WANT ANY REFUGEES

because it is utter nonsense

I don't think searching for legal status, an education, lawful employment whilst being treating like a leper  as searching for a holiday camp. Life for refugees in Turkey is almost worthless compared to Europe.

Just as well we haven't admitted Turkey to the EU or they would be all over Europe unless Brussels instructed the turks to play fair ???

the 230k who say yes can take them into their houses gardens garages etc under these terms and conditions

you are responsible for them you are their guarantor

you are liable for all costs everything that includes benefits any fines that they get any prison sentences they get you pay any nhs doctors fees you pay

basically you are their parents YOU TAKE THE ENTIRE COST

if you want to claim anything back then take up each case with the EU, THE ARAB LEAGUE,THE UN, not fkin us as we want fkall to do with them as they HATE US

YES MUSLIMS HATE THE WEST even non muslims hate the west even some lefty luvvy duvvys hate the west but wouldnt FKOFF to somewhere else

the arab world has 1 billion wtf cant they sort it they always say that muslims are all brothers

lets dump the lot on their doorstep

if they mistreat them dont welcome them etc

then isolate them ie then entire west usa europe russia china india end all trade in and out

scandinavian

You make no sense despite the evidence being all around you. Look at the people clamouring to get onto the trains of Hungary, Austria and other countries to move to other countries in Europe. Does it then go from comparisons between holiday camps to a veritable pick n mix? If you're as thick as two short planks then you can be excused but assuming you aren't then please, no more lies and propaganda. England is vastly overpopulated in comparison to our comparable neighbours like France. Hardly anybody wants "asylum" in warm countries like Spain and Portugal. I don't blame them for wanting to create a better life for themselves and I'm certainly not one of the, "they are coming for the benefits" merchants. I believe these people want to work and create a better life for themselves and I applaud them for that but we have to have control of our immigration and borders. Especially as net immigration ratchets ever higher.

TURKEY

Area
-      Total     783,562 km2 (37th)
302,535 sq mi
-      Water (%)     1.3
Population
-      2014 census     77,695,904 [1] (18th)
-      Density     101 [1]/km2 (107th)
262/sq mi

A large proportion are apparently from Albania/Kosovo etc.
I don't think I've heard the BBC/C4 mention this.

(Referenced media outlets deliberate choice) )

That's a surprise.

ENGLAND

Area
-      Land     130,279 km2[2]
50,301 sq mi
Population
-      2011 census     53,012,456
-      Density     407/km2
1,054.1/sq mi

SAUDI ARABIA

Area
-      Total     2,149,690[5] km2 (13th)
830,000 sq mi
-      Water (%)     0.7
Population
-      2014 estimate     30,770,375[7] (41st)
-      Density     12.3/km2 (216th)
31/sq mi

MOROCCO

Area
-      Total     446,550 km2
or 710,850 km2[d] (58th or 40th)
172,487 sq mi
-      Water (%)     0.056 (250 km2)
Population
-      2014 estimate     33,848,242[4] (39th)
-      Density     73.1/km2 (122nd)
189.3/sq mi

SCOTLAND

Area
-      Land     77,933 km2[2]
30,090 sq mi
Population
-      2013 estimate     5,327,700[3]
-      2011 census     5,313,600[4]
-      Density     67.5/km2
174.1/sq mi

According to the "German Migration Office" more than 40 percent of all asylum applications during the first six months of 2015 came from ... the Balkans. Economic migrants, unless Albania or Macedonia are at war (maybe I missed that).

EGYPT

Area
-      Total     1,010,407.87 [6] km2 (30th)
387,048 sq mi
-      Water (%)     0.632
Population
-      2015 estimate     89,433,000[7] (15th)
-      2006 census     72,798,000[8]
-      Density     84/km2 (126th)
218/sq mi

JORDAN

Area
-      Total     89,342 km2 (112th)
35,637 sq mi
-      Water (%)     0.8
Population
-      July 2013 estimate     8,000,000[7] [8] (99th)
-      July 2004 census     5,611,202
-      Density     74.5/km2 (132nd)
186.7/sq mi

GERMANY

Area
-      Total     357,168 km2 (63rd)
137,847 sq mi
Population
-      2014 estimate     81,083,600[2] (16th)
-      Density     226/km2 (58th)
583/sq mi

I'm not sure which part you don't understand or what you're misunderstanding but it's simple stuff, they prefer 'certain' European countries if you like because they are better off in welcoming countries like Sweden or Germany than in Turkey  where as previously said, it's much harder to gain refugee status and a better life for their family, Turkey is merely a transit nation. My main point was answering the question as to why they leave Turkey, why they are leaving countries like Hungry and Austria is a different one but not far off the same reasons, they are not welcome there either.

FRANCE

Area
-      Total[note 6]     640,679[1] km2 (42nd)
246,201 sq mi
-      Metropolitan France
       - IGN[note 7]     551,695 km2 (50th)
213,010 sq mi
       - Cadastre[note 8]     543,940.9[2] km2 (50th)
210,026 sq mi
Population
      (2014)
-      Total[note 6]     66,616,416[4] (20th)
-      Metropolitan France     64,213,000[3] (22nd)
-      Density[note 9]     116/km2 (89th)
301/sq mi

ITALY

Area
-      Total     301,338 km2 (72nd)
116,347 sq mi
-      Water (%)     2.4
Population
-      2014 estimate     60,795,612[1] (23rd)
-      2011 census     59,433,744[2] (23rd)
-      Density     201.7/km2 (63rd)
522.4/sq mi

EU in a right mess now and its not going to be pretty at all. Talk of quotas is an absolute joke. Say you're a refugee and you get "allocated" to one of the Baltic states or Poland, Slovakia, Bulgaria et al and you get your papers..yep, you're really going to stay there.

Schengen then does its natural work....

But that will go under the radar zilal. Once they are in. They are in. Once they are in. The clarion call goes out to the others:

And why do you want to go to Britain?

I have family and friends there.

Well in you come then. Next.

Amazing how "Merkel" is suddenley a saint and that Germany is"leading" Europe..lets see, who were the only countries to admit Eastern European workers in 2004 when the AAscession countries joined the EU..hmm..it seems to be the UK, Ireland and Sweden...... Germany took a "Holiday"

"but Germany have taken in far more migrants and refugees than us" ??

bit strange that Germany, at the end of 2013 had 2 million less in its population from the year 2000, and the UK appears to grown by 6 million..more than the last 40 years combined.

im sure someone can explain that

zilzal1 I brought that up months ago. Once one country gives any of them full validity as EU citizens, it doesn't matter where they go in the short term, they'll go where they want.

Like all of you I've a lot of sympathy for the normal people caught up in a nightmare but I fear this is going to end very badly once the self righteousness rubbish wears off, and the self righteousness rubbish is off the scale now.

We should stop fighting assad, he's a dictator but it's quite obvious letting these countries collapse into weak tribal warfare isn't the answer. Thats why all the bordering countries are a mess. Get rid of him and what, we've another failed state, a Libya Mk I and IS just move in? So, get a ceasefire in Syria which just seems to be a war of attrition, then we stop p1ssing around and deal with the murdering nutcases, that's dragged on far too long.

All this ignoring the actual source of the problems is frustrating.

It's like we're in 1939 and wringing our hands about Poland but not even discussing how to deal with Hitler.

merkel and her ilk are the cause of all the chaos and deaths.

Shame .. any intelligent adult discussion on the forum is probably about to become impossible.

merkel and her ilk are the cause of all the chaos and deaths.

I don't recall any German troops invading Iraq. How many deaths and how much chaos was caused by the countries which DID invade?

One more thing, England is not over populated, 90% of country live on 10% of the land.

Surely Germany and the EU have blood on their hands? After all they are encouraging these actions?

The rest of Europe must be a desert then.....

Sep 3, 2015 -- 10:06PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

One more thing, England is not over populated, 90% of country live on 10% of the land.

you dont fkin get it do you its an ARAB MUSLIM problem LET THEM sort it out they have the ARAB LEAGUE all muslims are brothers

how fkin simple is that

Sep 3, 2015 -- 10:08PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:

Surely Germany and the EU have blood on their hands? After all they are encouraging these actions?

the only people with blood on their hands are ARAB MUSLIMS

Sep 3, 2015 -- 10:06PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

One more thing, England is not over populated, 90% of country live on 10% of the land.

you fkin mong

ENGLAND 1,054 sqm
FRANCE 301 sqm
GERMANY 583 sqm
ITALY 522 sqm
SCOTLAND 174 sqm

TURKEY 262 sqm
SAUDI ARABIA 31 sqm
MOROCCO 189 sqm
EGYPT 218 sqm
JORDAN 186 sqm

France is over twice the size of England (37 percent larger), containing 643801 square km, while the United Kingdom contains 243610 square km. HTH

dukeofpuke, you give me as the impression that you're the sort of rambling drunk sitting in the corner of the pub ranting on about immigrants and then everyone around you gets up and moves away, whilst you carry on mumbling, reading a copy of the Sun, What has square miles got to do with anything you fruit loop

How fine that would be, to be so nicely wonderfully apart.

Iraq war threw a grenade into the Middle East

we now have ISIS(100 x worse than saddam)
millions of refugees

Britain has a lot to answer

Tony Blair was peace envoy

Europe is going to go the same way as the Middle East so where will they all flee to next?

The only people talking any sense about this are the Hungarian government,they have said that they dont want their country overrun by muslims and that if quotas are imposed, people will start moving around freely as soon as they have been granted asylum thus defeating the object of sharing the numbers around

Sep 4, 2015 -- 7:27AM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

dukeofpuke, you give me as the impression that you're the sort of rambling drunk sitting in the corner of the pub ranting on about immigrants and then everyone around you gets up and moves away, whilst you carry on mumbling, reading a copy of the Sun, What has square miles got to do with anything you fruit loop

i think you will find my lefty luvvy duvvy that all of my friends family etc hate people like you more than the scum that is trying to get here and is already here

You are an idiot.

scandinavian

It would seem clear that dukeofpuke is drawing attention to one of the most relevant facts, namely that of population density per square kilometre amongst various countries including England which is double that of comparative European countries like France and Germany and dwarfs that of rich countries who are their muslim brothers like Saudi Arabia.

brilliant someone with an ounce of intelligence

the uk still has some sane people left unlike the 380,000 zombies who have signed some worthless minority petition

basically what could happen we could end up with the 'northern ireland situation'

an ungovernable pathetic mish mash of a nation

blacks (west indian also native africans) hate arab muslims due to the fact that african arab muslims created the slave trade

israelis hate muslims

hindus hate muslims

sikhs hate muslims

ethnic serbs hate muslims

poles hate germans

dutch hate germans

greeks hate turks

everybody hates somalis even somalis hate somalis

so there you have it an ungovernable mish mash of people who dont give a flying fck

dukeofpuke there now exists a bundle of self important tw*ts who organise on social media and who love, and have nothing better to do, thatn create twitter storms, bully organisations, and create and sign petitions. It's a bit sad.

I'll wager the petition is largely signed by right on people aged 18-30, probably an amazing amount of whom did gender studies degrees and love corbyn.

sorry forgot to add thats in a sh!thole of a midlands town not the world

Sep 4, 2015 -- 7:26PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:

You are an idiot.

you are more dangerous to the UNITED KINGDOM than any fanatical isis jihadist

Hate is a strong word, it's almost like you have no life experience of mixing with people of different cultures and backgrounds. They don't hate each other, they don't agree with each other's beliefs in certain instances above but they don't hate each other, in city's like London especially, they work together and they even socialise with each other

Ever country needs immigration control, in this case we're talking about a few thousand refugee's coming from a region that Britain helped to destabalise, if that's not a moral duty I don't know what is, what I don't understand is why America are admitting them, the EU is shouldering the problem completely. There are thousands of empty properties all over the country.

People have moved around since the dawn of time, if you don't like where you live then I hear Slovakia is refusing to accept Muslims. The likes of you would be in heaven.

there you are you have the first seeds to a civil war

well done you have shown your true colours

comply or die

even though you ARE THE MINORITY

Im confused S_h. Where are the USA admitting them ?

the old USSR had a massive military presence there in the cold war due to the USA support of israel

therefore the entire refugee burden belongs to RUSSIA

Hungary have also said they dont want muslim refugees or migrants as they are a small christian nation of 8 million and dont want to end up like the UK

I meant aren't* Ibra.

Again we're not talking about an influx of millions, but a few thousand, the country is still 85% white if that's what concerns you dukeofpuke, I believe religion is in a word, bollox, but look past that and you see humans traipsing miles for a better life risking their own kids lives, they're not doing that for a laugh, they were forced too no small thanks to this country, if you were born in that region, you would be doing the same.

surely to god they could have made some attempt to have a makeshift lifejacket? i read somehwere that one family of 6 paid 2000 each for a 30minute trip on a boat. if they can afford that surely a lifejacket or something is a no brainer. the poor kids never had a chance

scandinavian

By what misguided sense of right do you consider that these people should be allowed to dictate where in Europe they will stop?

brilliant riposte

the lefty luvvy duvvy will come up with some humanitarian garbage

i just dont get why the arab world is standing by doin fkall

EO, for the second day in a row I have to explain what has already been stated in two previous posts in to a third, but anyway, the part where I said Britain is partly responsible for the mess in the middle east means people from those destabalised regions should expect to be allowed to seek refuge here.

might sound crass

but if paying a lot of money to go on these rafts boats

why don't you buy own life jacket for children

The people in Syria now deserve as much help and support the rest of the world can manage and deserve our sympathy .

The Syrians that reach the safety of Turkey and stay there are genuine asylum seekers and again the rest of the world help until the situation in Syria changes  and deserve our full sympathy.

Those that leave the safety of Turkey and dictate where they wish to live for a better lifestyle and ignore the laws of the countries they transit are not asylum seekers they are economic migrants.

no able bodied man of military age should be allowed to leave Syria for Europe, it is his duty to stay and fight for his country. It should be something shameful and treated with scorn for a young man to flee to Europe.

Many years ago after the 2nd World War, Great Britain with the Rest of the World created a New Country in the Middle of Arab occupied Land.
We called it Israel and "Shipped" all the Jews there, they have been fighting ever since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

Scandinavian,there has been conflicts between the two main factions in the Islamic world over the interpretation of a dopey  fairy tale for centuries .

The war between Iran and Iraq or the ongoing unreported proxy war  between Saudi Arabia and their hated enemy Iran in Yemen are not the fault of the democratic world.

I would agree that trying to impose our values which their belief system rejects was  very poor judgement and  made the situation worse and a convenient scapegoat for the warring factions .

However to blame the West and Israel for all the problems , as some do, in that region is ignorant nonsense.

Hardly anybody wants "asylum" in warm countries like Spain and Portugal.

really?
you need to travel around spain then to get the real picture.

The Russian President Vladimir Putin has blamed the migrant crisis emanating from the Middle East on America. He also blamed European states for backing US efforts to spread democracy, which he said were responsible for the current exodus of people sweeping across the EU.

Appearing at the inaugural Moscow-hosted Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, Putin told journalists Friday that he had predicted the current crisis, according to euractiv. “I think this is a completely expected crisis,” he said.

“We in Russia say, and I have said it myself, that there will be large scale problems if our so-called Western partners pursue such an erroneous policy, especially foreign policy, in the regions of the Muslim world in the Middle East and North Africa. They continue to engage in such a policy.

“What kind of policy is it? It is about imposing their own standards, without taking into account the historical, religious, national, cultural features of these regions. This is primarily a policy of our American partners.”

Putin commented that he was surprised as the US’s criticism of Europe’s handling of the crisis, seeing as it was the US which had created it. He emphasised that America had not suffered at all personally from the crisis, while Europe, which “blindly followed US instructions,” had suffered heavily.

His comments come days after Vladimir Chizhov, Russia’s ambassador to the EU, made similar statements.

Speaking on a panel entitled “The EU and Russia: Rivals, Opponents, Partners?” at the Alpbach Forum on 31 August, Chizhov told the audience that it EU enlargement was the cause of the paralysis in relations between the bloc and Russia.

Referencing the Lisbon Treaty, he said: “The inward-looking peace project has acquired a new somewhat messianic dimension – the EU now ‘seeks to advance in the wider world… principles which have inspired its own creation’. The question is, however, whether this ‘export of democracy’ is consistent with the objective of maintaining peace inside and beyond the European continent, or the European Union will have to make a hard choice between the two.”

Calling for a more equal relationship between the EU and Russia, he called on Brussels to recognise Russia’s Eurasian Economic Union project as its counterpart.

He continued: “In the Russian view … the disastrous turn of events in the region of the so-called ‘Arab spring’ as well as in Ukraine has a lot to do with the attempt to inject the notion of supremacy of Western values into highly complex regional environments.

“Certainly, the EU alone can hardly be blamed for regional instability. Nevertheless, the European Neighbourhood Policy, in my view, was not made any more attractive by the heavy-handed manner in which the EU sought to ‘civilise’ the region and impose its own norms and standards there.” He did not reference the US directly in his speech.

Putin also indicated a desire to join with other countries in the fight against terrorism, saying: “We really want to create some kind of an international coalition to fight terrorism and extremism. To this end, we are holding consultations with our American partners – I have personally spoken on the issue with US President Obama.”

He has also held talks about such a coalition with the leaders of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and others, he said.

To paraphrase Mr. Putin,

Western European countries should make themselves into a sh!thole that nobody would want to go to and problem solved.

He has a point, however, it would seem that many western European countries have already made progress in this regard and are well along that road by their own devices.

One of the things that gets my goat is the virtue signalling.

It is just as easy, just as thoughtless, just as dogmatic, just as extreme, to propose unconditional compassion towards all the people who have fled Syria as it is to propose that they should all stay there and rot.

It is a complicated situation.

I don't particularly like this conservative government but i am rather grateful for Cameron's understanding that when rich european countries publicly announce offers of asylum, they are merely encouraging people to make incredibly dangerous journeys across the Mediterranean. Indeed a "let them all come" attitude in light of the pictures of Aylan Kurdi, is merely making it more likely that more children will die attempting to cross the med in unsuitable boats.

Furthermore does is not worry, for example, the Swedes, that if a survey is to be believed, the Swedish Democrats, a thoroughly unpleasant right wing party, but the only party in Sweden prepared to countenance a tightening of its countries immigration policy, recently became the most popular party in the country? How many of the virtue signallers will be there to help in the areas where the immigrants arrive, to allieviate and allay the anxieties of the communities affected by the influx of migrants. Because amongst these people will be waverers pressed to vote for the Swedish Democrats.

This blind tolerance and compassion from people quick to vocalise, whilst being slow or reluctant to actually do anything, inevitably makes countries more intolerant.

The truth is that the Syrian refugees in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey, which is where the overwhelming majority of them are (estimates are saying about 3.6 million of the 4 million, so 90%), need a constant and continual stream of finanical aid, and an organised process to seek asylum in Europe where appropriate. Controlling crossings across the med is imperative and a co-ordinated approach is required from all the navies in Europe.

Never let facts get in the way but, just for fun, here are a couple;

Turkey HAS taken in some refugees, 1,700,000 at the last count.
Little Lebanon has taken in 1,000,000 almost a quarter of their population, equating to the UK taking in some 15,000,000

Islam was founded nearly 1500 years ago. One of the major sects within it have interpreted their book as telling them that they must convert or kill all non-believers, which they`ve been doing ever since. It didn`t start with the creation of Israel, nor is it the fault of any modern day administration or leaders; they are nothing more than bit players, on the scene for a few years, then gone, to be replaced by more short-term bit players. The fault lies exclusively with those muslims who believe they must convert or kill us. Anyone who chooses to pretend that this is not the case are ignorant, and or disingenuous, and or anti-semitic and or liars.
These are the facts.

Tim

I don't think people are criticising Turkey. They are asking why people are seeking to run away from a safe country. Criticism is being reserved for many rich countries in the area like the Saudi's who are not taking any people in.

I don't tell lies Jockey. Have a look at the following for countries like Spain and Portugal. Incidentally I'd also suggest you have a look at the lack of people countries like the Saudi's take in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_population

So it turns out that the father had been in Turkey for 3 years and had been refused entry into Canada, I wonder if he has been arrested yet.

surly it's instances like this why they invented the gatling gun