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18 Aug 15
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A special report from Iran, those friendly hangers of gays, stoners of women and armers of Hezbollah.
Disband this fifth column now.
Disband this fifth column now.
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thought this was another labour leadership thread
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Illegal migrants trying to sneak into Britain should be compared to the “Holy Family” of Joseph, Mary and baby Jesus according to BBC religious chief Aaqil Ahmed.
Mr Ahmed, the first Muslim to head religion and ethics at the BBC, also claims the Biblical flight from King Herod to Bethlehem resembles that of refugees massing at Calais in a bid to infiltrate the Channel Tunnel.
He made the comments in a BBC blog defending the decision to film an episode of Songs of Praise from the Calais refugee camp “The Jungle” which screens tomorrow at 17:00 BST on BBC One. The controversial move has been defended by the broadcaster with the claim filming a Songs of Praise episode at Calais is “reflecting conversations going on in Christian households”.
Mr Ahmed wrote: “For centuries Christians have related to the vivid image of the Holy family becoming refugees themselves when Joseph, Mary and their baby son had to flee persecution from King Herod and escape to Egypt.
“In the first feature from Calais, the presenter Sally Magnusson takes us through the make shift Church set up by Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians. We meet one of the priests and ask why they built the temporary Church and what it offers them.”
Not everyone is as convinced as Mr Ahmed about the ethics of the episode. Ukip MEP Gerard Batten said: “There is no comparison between the Gospel story of people fleeing King Herod and countless millions trying to get into a country which cannot accommodate them.”
Mr Ahmed, the first Muslim to head religion and ethics at the BBC, also claims the Biblical flight from King Herod to Bethlehem resembles that of refugees massing at Calais in a bid to infiltrate the Channel Tunnel.
He made the comments in a BBC blog defending the decision to film an episode of Songs of Praise from the Calais refugee camp “The Jungle” which screens tomorrow at 17:00 BST on BBC One. The controversial move has been defended by the broadcaster with the claim filming a Songs of Praise episode at Calais is “reflecting conversations going on in Christian households”.
Mr Ahmed wrote: “For centuries Christians have related to the vivid image of the Holy family becoming refugees themselves when Joseph, Mary and their baby son had to flee persecution from King Herod and escape to Egypt.
“In the first feature from Calais, the presenter Sally Magnusson takes us through the make shift Church set up by Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians. We meet one of the priests and ask why they built the temporary Church and what it offers them.”
Not everyone is as convinced as Mr Ahmed about the ethics of the episode. Ukip MEP Gerard Batten said: “There is no comparison between the Gospel story of people fleeing King Herod and countless millions trying to get into a country which cannot accommodate them.”
nah, the BBC are just preparing us for the new friends we will have in an area of shifting allegiances. Iran will provide the footsoldiers to do the dirty work on ISIS that the media in the west cant stomach.
Iran will just continue to let the US and the West concentrate on ISIS while they carry on developing their nuclear capabilities. Then when the ten years specified in the Obama Capitulation are up, they will be ready.
They have a right to develop Nuclear Weapons who cares?
They are not enemies of the Free World at all, so why not leave them alone
sorry for being rude edul, you know I like your ramblings...but you do talk some rubbish at times.
Ebulgery, their stated aim is to wipe Israel off the map. Should they be allowed to develop nuclear weapons?
And as for them being enemies of the Free World, the people are non such thing - they are probably the most West-friendly people of the entire region. Sadly, their government - which stole its power and continues to do so - are enemies of the Free World, even a berk of your unsurpassable magnitude must know that.
And as for them being enemies of the Free World, the people are non such thing - they are probably the most West-friendly people of the entire region. Sadly, their government - which stole its power and continues to do so - are enemies of the Free World, even a berk of your unsurpassable magnitude must know that.
Yes they should...it is their only defence against an invasion from the West such as in Iraq
I think you will find Israel have Nuclear Weapons...any attack on Israel would guarantee their own destruction so they will not do it
I know I talk a lot of rubbish lfc 1971
But unless different countries learn to respect each others territories, cultures and laws we will never have peace in this world
Being Gay was illegal in this country until 1961...and from what I see we made a mistake legalising it
We can protest the severity of punishment but not the law
Adulatory is illegal in their society, their law, my only objection is it takes two
So why are men not equally punished...I object on the grounds of fairness
Stoning is always commuted to imprisonment
I think you will find Israel have Nuclear Weapons...any attack on Israel would guarantee their own destruction so they will not do it
I know I talk a lot of rubbish lfc 1971
But unless different countries learn to respect each others territories, cultures and laws we will never have peace in this world
Being Gay was illegal in this country until 1961...and from what I see we made a mistake legalising it
We can protest the severity of punishment but not the law
Adulatory is illegal in their society, their law, my only objection is it takes two
So why are men not equally punished...I object on the grounds of fairness
Stoning is always commuted to imprisonment
"BBC are enemies of the free world"
Couldn't agree more - full of (Guardianistas, immigrants and foreigners) I hardly watch the News channel on BBC anymore.
If I want to see what's going on in the World ....funnily enough I watch Al Jazeera or RT.
Couldn't agree more - full of (Guardianistas, immigrants and foreigners) I hardly watch the News channel on BBC anymore.
If I want to see what's going on in the World ....funnily enough I watch Al Jazeera or RT.
no doubt our companies (in the name of earning money) would supply them the ingredients to make such a bomb.
To answer all your points in turn Ebulgery.
1 Nuclear weapons are not Iran's ONLY defence against invasion. Iran does not have nuclear weapons at the moment, despite its several years trying to acquire them. It has not been invaded, for one simple reason - geography. Iran is, to all intents and purposes, uninvadable, certainly by a conventional land invasion, and certainly not without prior control of any of its neighbours. There is also the highly-trained, well-funded and well-fed half a million strong army to consider.
2 We made a mistake legalising homosexuality? So in your view it should still be illegal? It is a mark of your utter idiocy, and perhaps in your defence your age, that you could still hold such a neolithic opinion. Even when homosexuality was illegal in this country, we did not hang people from cranes in front of bussed-in baying crowds for homosexuality as Iran continues to do.
3 Stoning is not always commuted to imprisonment, far from it. Stonings are still carried out and in fact they have been more prevalent in the last few years despite the punishment being removed from the Iranian penal code in 2001 (iirc)
In short my friend, you do not know what you are talking about.
The main fallacy in your opinion however is the idea that Iran would not dare to use any nuclear weapon it acquired on Israel because of the certainty of its own destruction. There is an element to Shia culture of which you are perhaps not aware, namely the expectation of the Mahdi's arrival on Earth, which is believed to follow the complete destruction of Syria, which is happening right now, and the despoliation of Iraq, which in effect has been happening for decades.
Iran's former Leader Muhudinejad was a firm believer in the Mahdi - there is no doubt that had he been in possession of nuclear weapons, he would have used them against Israel.
We will soon find out anyway, because the deal that Obama has just signed with Iraq and which awaits Senate ratification will guarantee that Iran will develop nuclear weapons.
1 Nuclear weapons are not Iran's ONLY defence against invasion. Iran does not have nuclear weapons at the moment, despite its several years trying to acquire them. It has not been invaded, for one simple reason - geography. Iran is, to all intents and purposes, uninvadable, certainly by a conventional land invasion, and certainly not without prior control of any of its neighbours. There is also the highly-trained, well-funded and well-fed half a million strong army to consider.
2 We made a mistake legalising homosexuality? So in your view it should still be illegal? It is a mark of your utter idiocy, and perhaps in your defence your age, that you could still hold such a neolithic opinion. Even when homosexuality was illegal in this country, we did not hang people from cranes in front of bussed-in baying crowds for homosexuality as Iran continues to do.
3 Stoning is not always commuted to imprisonment, far from it. Stonings are still carried out and in fact they have been more prevalent in the last few years despite the punishment being removed from the Iranian penal code in 2001 (iirc)
In short my friend, you do not know what you are talking about.
The main fallacy in your opinion however is the idea that Iran would not dare to use any nuclear weapon it acquired on Israel because of the certainty of its own destruction. There is an element to Shia culture of which you are perhaps not aware, namely the expectation of the Mahdi's arrival on Earth, which is believed to follow the complete destruction of Syria, which is happening right now, and the despoliation of Iraq, which in effect has been happening for decades.
Iran's former Leader Muhudinejad was a firm believer in the Mahdi - there is no doubt that had he been in possession of nuclear weapons, he would have used them against Israel.
We will soon find out anyway, because the deal that Obama has just signed with Iraq and which awaits Senate ratification will guarantee that Iran will develop nuclear weapons.
Sorry, his name was of course Ahmadinejad, apologies.
More errors - Iraq should read Iran in the last line, still early for me lol
I have an old Iranian friend and after Rafsanjani became president I asked her if things would be any better as he seemed far less hawkish than his predecessor.
She told me that Armadinejad was a wolf in wolf's clothing, Rafsanjani is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Hope that clarifies the matter.
She told me that Armadinejad was a wolf in wolf's clothing, Rafsanjani is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Hope that clarifies the matter.
They're just frontmen. They are chosen according to which face the Regime wishes to present to the world at any given time. It suited them to have Ahmadinejad refusing to compromise while they acquired the knowledge and technology to enrich uranium and build the necessary centrifuges. Now they have them, they have stuck Rouhani in front of the cameras to achieve precisely what they have achieved, the hoodwinking of an American President desperate to achieve the semblance of a legacy.
It’s about time Persia rediscovered itself, cast off the ramblings of an Arabs and returned to their own culture. They were once the rivals of Rome, but succumbed to opportunistic Arab invaders, at the end of 25 year war with the Byzantines that left both empires bankrupt.
Its hardly a novelty, national leaders behaving with insincerity,dont people remember Tony Blair and his presentational skills ? Iran has been trying to ocme out of the darkness for a decade and this deal may help the reformists cast aside the nutcases,risky but thats diplomacy.
In short my friend, you do not know what you are talking about.
That is a matter of opinion is it not, I think I do
Still I never expect agreement
Most peoples views are what they have been programmed to believe, we also need a World where people do have different values.
It protects us, otherwise we will end up living in a 1984 society. We are not chained we are entitled to have our own opinions
on everything.
There is no one view that is right
That is a matter of opinion is it not, I think I do
Still I never expect agreement
Most peoples views are what they have been programmed to believe, we also need a World where people do have different values.
It protects us, otherwise we will end up living in a 1984 society. We are not chained we are entitled to have our own opinions
on everything.
There is no one view that is right
All problems in the Middle East stem from the creation of Israel
We should ever have created it.
I see we cannot un create it though, so leave them to it, they are big enough to look after themselves
We should ever have created it.
I see we cannot un create it though, so leave them to it, they are big enough to look after themselves
If the other Arab countries in the Arab league had not encouraged racial hatred of the Jews to take attention away from their own people we might not have the bitter ,sectarian killing that we witness today.
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