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05 Aug 15
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USA have that on their conscience forever !
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Should have dropped one on Tokyo too for the way they treated prisoners and conquered people.
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Not as many killed as in the Nanjing massacre. Not that we're keeping score!
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Prevented an estimated 250,000 killed or wounded American soldiers lives,because Japan refused to surrender.I also agree with Foinavon.Dreadfully cruel race.
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Tokyo was fire-bombed like Dresden which killed more than the Hiroshima A-Bomb
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Hirohito and his cronies escaped though leopard. They who sanctioned the bayoneting of babies and all the other brutalities. They made ISIS look like amateurs. An A bomb might have fried them. Don't think the Chinese would have held back given the opportunity.
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July 1946
U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey stated in conclusion of its official report into the air war against Japan Japan would have surrendered even if atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. Codes had been broken, Japan wanted to surrender and only wanted to keep the Emperor. America refused, it had to be unconditional. The bombs were dropped and the Emperor remained. Figure that one out. Truman wrote in his diary on July 18th of a telegram from the Emperor to Stalin 'asking for peace'. I don't think sugar coating our own history does anybody any favours. |
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The bombs were dropped and the Emperor remained. Figure that one out.
Political decisions like this stink (so what's new). The Emperor and his family should have been put on trial for war crimes.Instead he was allowed to remain Emperor for the rest of his long life. had he been put on trial and exonerated then fair enough, otherwise if found guilty then should have been executed. |
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If roles had been reversed and either Japan or Germany had the bomb would either of them have flinched at using it ?
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Good point Foinavon,but the American Statesmen (as opposed to todays piss poor politicians) knew how important it was to win the peace as well as the war.It worked,because the Japs haven't fired a shot in anger since.
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That's true Roquebrune and we have the examples of Saddam and Gaddafi to support that view.
Still leaves a bad odour even 70 years on though and I fancy China is still itching for revenge. We may not have seen the end of it yet. |
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They didn't need to kill so many civilians....dropping the A-bombs was pure evil and USA must be damned for 1000 years.
They should have attacked only military positions. |
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Hiroshima live - bbc news 24 now
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To be fair, if the Japanese had the bomb they would have undoubtably used it.Japanese imperialism was nasty stuff.
Unlike the Germans they have yet to really face up to it either.They have made a few token guestures here and there but thats about it. They are still hated in Korea and especially China. Personally, i think they're great.The nicest, most polite people i have ever met. |
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They are now in the process of changing the constitution to get rid of their enforced pacifism.
I can't blame them really, they are right next door to China, who still feel they have scores to settle. |
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peace and love
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The Japanese would not have surrendered, not even if it meant millions of deaths. Even the schoolchildren were being trained to fight to the death using sharpened bamboo...so why did they?
The reason was the atomic bomb, and not because of its ability to kill thousands, but because the emperor was fearful that the next one was going to be dropped right on top of his head... So he surrendered. |
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"The city of Hiroshima sees itself as victims"
The BBC are a fecking disgrace . |
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For a balance everyone should read about the rape of Nanking when the japanese were at war with China nad occupied that city. Soldiers from my local area all suffered in captivity , fallling to below 5 stone in weight,and hate the nation to this day,despite Nissan and its economic benefits to the city.
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yep and 'Unit 731'
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One prominent nazi was so horrfied by the Japanese conduct in Nanking, that he wrote back to Germany imploring the Nazis to put a stop to it...
"Two Japanese soldiers have climbed over the garden wall and are about to break into our house. When I appear they give the excuse that they saw two Chinese soldiers climb over the wall. When I show them my party badge, they return the same way. In one of the houses in the narrow street behind my garden wall, a woman was raped, and then wounded in the neck with a bayonet. I managed to get an ambulance so we can take her to Kulou Hospital... Last night up to 1,000 women and girls are said to have been raped, about 100 girls at Ginling Girls' College alone. You hear nothing but rape. If husbands or brothers intervene, they're shot. What you hear and see on all sides is the brutality and bestiality of the Japanese soldiers" |
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Women were used in specific experiments in Unit 731. In order to respond to the growing threat of syphilis among Japanese troops, “among whom the prevalence of syphilis was high due to the systematic rape of women and the widespread use of sex slaves,” women at Unit 731 were either raped or infected with a serum containing virulent strains of syphilis.In documentation of these experiments, doctors remarked that syphilitic infection of the women was the result of self-perpetuated prostitution, rather than the serum that had been administered to them. External reactions—change in skin and organ appearance—as well as internal changes were studied. In the case of the body’s internal reaction to infection, patients were vivisected or killed with autopsies being conducted immediately afterward. Forced pregnancy was also used to determine the effects of vertical transmission of the disease.
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Hirohito's son is their current emperor. Can you imagine HItler's son still been head honcho in Germany? Or even Mussolini's son? A funny bunch and no mistake, I think their argument was that it was the prime minister that was in charge of the war, nothing to do with the emperor. A bit like we would say the war in iraq was Tony Blair's fault, nothing to do with the queen. Don't know enough about it to be able to say either way and reading into it just depresses me. Suffice to say the Japanese are stark staring mad by and large, but appear to have mellowed in the last seventy years, but that is only relative.
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Date Joined: 22 Sep 06 Add contact | Send message 06 Aug 15 13:25 Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 34,200 | Blogger: irishone's blog "The city of Hiroshima sees itself as victims" The BBC are a fecking disgrace . I went to hiroshima, found it a very sobering place. Did the museum and all that. Didn't think they were playing the victim or anything. The impression I got was that they (or was it just the mayor) were using the bomb as an excuse to vote for peace. Constantly haranguing statesmen from the major countries to put down their arms. The museum just dealt with everything very clinically - telling you what happened and what the effects were. They left you to make your own mind up. |
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In hindsight, Hiroshima was a mistake, should have dropped it on Paris.
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On the morning of August 6, the Enola Gay, a Boeing B-29 Superfortress piloted by Colonel Paul Tibbets, dropped an atomic bomb (code-named Little Boy by the U.S.) on the city of Hiroshima in southwest Honshū. Throughout the day, confused reports reached Tokyo that Hiroshima had been the target of an air raid, which had leveled the city with a "blinding flash and violent blast". Later that day, they received U.S. President Truman's broadcast announcing the first use of an atomic bomb, and promising:
We are now prepared to obliterate more rapidly and completely every productive enterprise the Japanese have above ground in any city. We shall destroy their docks, their factories, and their communications. Let there be no mistake; we shall completely destroy Japan's power to make war. It was to spare the Japanese people from utter destruction that the ultimatum of July 26 was issued at Potsdam. Their leaders promptly rejected that ultimatum. If they do not now accept our terms they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth …[76] The Japanese Army and Navy had their own independent atomic-bomb programs and therefore the Japanese understood enough to know how very difficult building it would be. Therefore, many Japanese and in particular the military members of the government refused to believe the United States had built an atomic bomb, and the Japanese military ordered their own independent tests to determine the cause of Hiroshima's destruction.[77] Admiral Soemu Toyoda, the Chief of the Naval General Staff, argued that even if the United States had made one, they could not have many more.[78] American strategists, having anticipated a reaction like Toyoda's, planned to drop a second bomb shortly after the first, to convince the Japanese that the U.S. had a large supply.[62][79] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan |
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In hindsight, Hiroshima was a mistake, should have dropped it on Paris.
Or Mecca? |
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Rifkind on Newsnight.
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Movement to Abolish Nuclear Weapons
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Codes had been broken, Japan wanted to surrender and only wanted to keep the Emperor. America refused, it had to be unconditional. The bombs were dropped and the Emperor remained. Figure that one out.
Americans first wanted an unconditional surrender... They nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki but not the Tokyo Imperial Palace, and let the Emperor off scot free.  Were they that p1ssed about Pearl Harbor? |
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Second guessing. The Japanese were vicious wherever they went (Unit 731 the acme). And have never apologised to the extent the Germans did. Not that there isn't a underlying urge in Germany to win WW3, eventually. Like with Dresden, if you don't want to be bombed then stop trying to kill as many other people as possible.
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Unlike the Germans they have yet to really face up to it either.
yeah the germans face upto it by wanting to own europe another way #Boycottgermany |