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Whose modern world?
50p ew China 50p ew India please |
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The USA. The 20C was the American century, For every invention or famous person in the rest of the world multiply by a 1000 for the US.
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USA is just an English experiment that got a little out of hand.
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What the US achieved in only 1 or 2 hundred years was almost like a miracle.
The greatest country in the history of the world and may never happen again. |
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You are a slave to the USA propaganda machine.
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Well, in modern times, global communication is critical for some many different reasons, written and spoken word - the world communicates with each other mostly in English, from politics to trade deals to sport. Online, the world communicates with each other thanks to an an Englishman who invented the web. Historically, the British empire has shaped the way most of the world lives today. So whatever influence America has, it stems from the use of the English language and from the way Britain helped shape them.
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It is there to be seen by anyone not bigoted or blind. To have brought people from every part of the world build a nation so inventive and powerful and successful...these things are not guaranteed, they are difficult and in science the arts culture, music, medicine, engineering, technology, cinema etc etc.Every aspect of modern life is American.
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Steve Wozniak in silicon valley alone did more to produce the modern world than everyone else. The web was an invention of the US military.
The English language has become all powerful because of American business, films and music. |
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The internet was invented by the US military not the world wide web.
Music and TV is a big LOL, they don't dominate music and TV they saturate it, quality comes from Britain and bands like the Beatles and the Stones have never been replicated in America. I would hazard a guess the spread of the British empire probably is equal to the success (mass production) of their music and films in the widespread use of the English language, as well as British influence in the world of music and TV. |
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What about sport. Britain formalised the rules/invented most of the great world sports.
lfc do you get all teary eyed watching films like Rocky and Top Gun? |
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The web was based on a mathematical formula, the technology was already invented and any no. of formula could have been used. As you know Berners Lee made it free to use...this was because if it had not been a different system would have been used, he couldn't charge for it..if he could he would have been the richest man in history.
Buy the way there would never have been a Beatles or Stones if America had not invented rock and roll..and indeed the electric guitar. |
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The web was based on a mathematical formula, the technology was already invented and any no. of formula could have been used. As you know Berners Lee made it free to use...this was because if it had not been a different system would have been used, he couldn't charge for it..if he could he would have been the richest man in history.
And who invented the modern programmable computer for the American to have developed the internet....an Englishman  Buy the way there would never have been a Beatles or Stones if America had not invented rock and roll..and indeed the electric guitar. Every artist and musician is influenced from a previous generation, the songwriting was British. |
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Look, perhaps the most important invention was I think by an Englishman...the transistor. This could be claimed to be the basis for all our modern tech. The British have been unbelievably inventive....that goes without saying, however we are becoming so charmless in shouting it.
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in terms of actual countries (post westphalia) russia would be a candidate as it was the active conduit for socialism which in turn killed 100 million, wiped out entire cultures, brought about the second world war and the nuclear arms race, supported countless regimes bringing whole regions into conflict (including africa, mid east, south america etc), and even deeply effected western countries with political correctness to cultural marxism.
Overall though (geographical area or culture) it would probably be israel which produced the judeo christian tradition which went on to be the basis of most western traditions (including eventually that of the US) but obviously also the concepts of equality, individual rights, property rights, proportional law and so on. The US was a success for technical and geographical reasons, it adapted and reinvented a society but it's cultures and systems were largely imported. Candidates like china, india etc all made contributions but were dead ends, remaining feudal states without evolutionary steps forward such as individual rights. The greeks are the other contenders with democracy, philosophy, drama etc but also hit a dead end which implies crucial elements were missing. The most logical way to work it out is to subtract a country from history and see what the world would be like without it. |
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Good post polybot.
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err...Israel only got independence after WW2
What USA has achieved in the last 200 years is unrivalled Ford with the motorcar Microsoft, Google, Apple etc with technology Not to mention aircraft, space ships or medicine |
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The industrial revolution began in Britain. Industry changed the world, for better or for worse.
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Cannot be argued we do punch well above our weight in the UK.
Lot of things to be proud of - also quite a few to hang our heads over. |
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Edward Jenner, from Gloucestershire, invented the vaccination to combat smallpox in the 18th century. Vaccinations have gone on to save millions of lives throughout the world.
Just one example of European enlightenment. But I suppose you have to give the yanks some credit - They did invent the hot dog, (I think) |
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The thing is poly, is that most inventions are actually not inventions but discoveries, and most discoveries are off of the back of already works in progress, evolution, advancements. And if truth be known, if one country didn't invent/discover one thing or another, then some other country would have. Britain does seem to have had a lot of great minds though.
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please, please do not attribute apple with any game-changing breakthroughs in shaping the modern world.
even the comparison to ford's mass production of the motor car are way off the mark. |
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in terms of quality of life, the three major contributors are electricity, antibiotics and vaccinations.
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Sir Winston Churchill once said that ‘Of all the small nations of this earth, perhaps only the ancient Greeks surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind.’
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Switzerland
a good number of scientific Nobel laureates for a small population |
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Jews are 23% on Nobel winners from 0.2% of the world population.
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what an interesting thread.
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Which nation has most shaped the modern world? not how many nobel winners
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23% from 0.2% Jewish
??% from 20% Moslem??? |
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Jews make up 0.2% of the worlds population?!
That Can't be right surely? |
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11/800 apparently. 1.4% from 20%.
Didn't expect that to be so easy to find. |
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1 for Physics
1 for Chemistry 2 for Literature and 7 for Peace that read like a cmat post. |
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scots 0.009 %
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+ 9 nobel wins . Sir William Ramsay - Chemistry, 1904
Charles Thomson Rees Wilson - Physics, 1927 John J.R. MacLeod - Medicine, 1928 Arthur Henderson - Peace, 1934 Sir Alexander Fleming - Medicine, 1945 John Boyd Orr, 1st Baron Boyd-Orr - Peace, 1949 A.R. Todd, Baron Todd of Trumpington - Chemistry, 1957 Sir James Black - Medicine, 1988 Sir James Alexander Mirrlees - Economics, 1996 so at 0.009 not bad |
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kincsem
04 Aug 15 16:40 Joined: 12 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 5,982 | Blogger: kincsem's blog Jews are 23% on Nobel winners from 0.2% of the world population. I think there is a practise or philosophy within Judaism, where two or more people argue and debate the meaning of something. The idea is to broaden the mind by examining the meaning of something by approaching the subject from many different angles. But I can’t remember its name. |
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Let's not look backwards gentlemen. Surely the crucial question is which nation will most shape the modern world during the course of the next 100 years? It certainly won't be Britain.
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is that not easy. s
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for all of us that bet past form give a clue
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I'll tell you what my little Scotch egg. You give me a clue what you're on about and I'll reciprocate.
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