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created with the purpose of providing beagle puppies to laboratories for animal testing!
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https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-david-cameron-mp-reverse-the-government-s-decision-to-give-the-go-ahead-for-a-puppy-farm-in-hull-created-with-the-purpose-of-providing-beagle-puppies-to-laboratories-for-animal-testing?utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email&utm_content=featured_news&tk=Cr9beNPBZpspGLnUx31t41PXoiQ7VbXIIjP1NzDXg9k |
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how can i sign up to support this
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Absolute ****.
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The government have just given the go ahead for a puppy farm in Hull to supply animals to laboratories for testing. These beautiful and loving animals will never know love compassion, just pain, suffering and neglect! It's WRONG and CRUEL!!!!
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150,000 signatures! Let's keep going!
Emma Hart Newton-le-Willows, United Kingdom 18 Jul 2015 — The response to this has been heart warming! Keep sharing the petition to gain more momentum so the government have NO CHOICE but sit up and take notice! Two important factors that need addressing are: 1) The effectiveness of such research, as, "90% drugs tested on animals fail” – British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection. 2) The ethics of breeding animals to ultimately sentence them to a life of pain and suffering without any future happiness. We need to act now and stop this! Thanks to you all for your amazing support!!!! |
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Total ****. Apart from the petition find out who operates this 'farm' and lambast them with complaints.
What sort of human being could work at one of these places. I'd guess the type recruited by the SS in nazi Germany. |
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Can't me much job satisfaction, one would think.
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Think about it Kenny. working there every day and witnessing animals suffering.
Only an absolute **** could do that job. |
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True, aka, but that will apply in the food industry very much, as well.
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More than 345,000 sign petition calling on PM to reverse beagle farm plans
Still time for chit chat to sign and maybe make a difference. https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-david-cameron-mp-reverse-the-government-s-decision-to-give-the-go-ahead-for-a-puppy-farm-in-hull-created-with-the-purpose-of-providing-beagle-puppies-to-laboratories-for-animal-testing/u/11443084?tk=GEJR2km_tL6PXluJkUCGw3JfHHtvfMJNC0gquEB6dRY&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email |
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Deborah Minns · Top commenter · Kingston upon Hull
Here is the desktop link for 'Oppose B&K Universal' on Facebook. Thank you https://www.facebook.com/OpposeBandKUniversal?ref=hl Reply · · 18 · 19 July at 10:47 Stu Ritchie · Grunt at Bombardier Commercial Aircraft Disgusting is this what our taxes r for! Reply · · 10 · 19 July at 09:45 Kerry Plociennik · Hope high school salford That is Disgusting Reply · · 8 · 19 July at 12:50 Elaine Ogden · Top commenter · Goblin college the ukon This is barbaric an d I am disgusted!! Reply · · 3 · 19 July at 11:00 Maggie May Mr Cameron NEED to start listening to the people and STOP ignoring what the public clearly wants NOT to happen. .. Puppy farms for animal testing, cruelty to animals, to repel the fox hunting ban... It goes on and on, taking up arms on Syria. .. will he ever learn? Look at what legacy Blair left with... he's going down the same road. Shame on you cameron and NOT in my name. Reply · · 2 · 4 hours ago Lynsey Jayne Brueton I think this is disgusting.. There is no need for any animal testing in this day and age xxxx Reply · · 2 · 4 hours ago Sheila Goodfriend Horrible. Haven't we humans evolved at all? Reply · · 2 · 4 hours ago Ross Martin This is totally unnecessary and barbaric NO NO NO Reply · · 2 · 19 July at 20:00 Sarah Everitt · Blackpool Appaulled Reply · · 2 · 4 hours ago Michael Jones What makes people think the human race is the only species that has the right to live. We killed more people than any animal would kill it's own. Remember the 1st and 2nd world war, to name just two. David Cameron, your BARKING MAD. Reply · · 1 · 4 hours ago Margaret Murphy · Sainsburys but now RETIRED at Sainsbury's Thank God for people like you Emma, who take time out to look after our animals, whom can't do anything for themselves. Without our support God knows what endless cruelty would happen to our animals. If we all pull together we will achieve such a lot. Our animals need us. Reply · · 1 · 12 hours ago Barry Speed Better to carry out the testing on Humans. How about as part of an Immigration Integration System. Reply · · 1 · 19 July at 11:11 |
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380,321 signed
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Very good of you.
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Tommy won't sign it (nap)
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Lynsey Jayne Brueton
I think this is disgusting.. There is no need for any animal testing in this day and age xxxx Stem cell testing provides the same results without putting animals to a life of misery. |
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I've heard that before aka', maybe it's more expensive ffs.
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380,808 signatures. About 2 from chit chat ffs!
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380,861, blimey this is moving fast.
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I've signed.
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Slippy hasn't, and he really owes me a favour!
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All about picking your audience, Kenny
 Loads of people care about unnecessary testing of stuff on animals, BUT not many care about a planning decision to allow dog breeding on a particular site in Hull. |
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I can't see the difference aka'. I think the answer is that certain (most) people feel a tad saddened for 5 seconds, and then forget about it.
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**** me, this petition's getting 50 signatures a minute. Brilliant.
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kenny mann • July 21, 2015 11:14 PM BST
I can't see the difference aka'. I think the answer is that certain (most) people feel a tad saddened for 5 seconds, and then forget about it. Sorry you've lost me there Kenny. |
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Almost one click per second. That is good.
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I think this is one of the toughest questions/debates there is.
If testing on animals got the cure for say cancer then you got cancer or a loved one such as a child, morally would you not take the drug or administer it to your child if it saved their life? Also how many of you would refuse to take life saving drugs because it used animals in its testing. I agree drug testing on animals should be avoided if there are any other possible alternatives such as akabula says stem technology etc. But I think there are some cases where it cannot be avoided if the drug treatment is to progress. Very sad to see beautiful animals like those puppies used for research though  |
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Signed.
So sad My first dog was a beagle  |
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some cures and animals used in testing:
smallpox - cows diabetes (insulin) - dogs and fish rubella - monkey tuberculosis - cows and sheep penicillin - mice organ transplantations - dogs, sheep, cows and pigs aids treatment - monkeys anticoagulants - cats rabies - dogs and rabbits And the list continues. So who on this thread would refuse treatments or drugs that used animal testing? |
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The point is that there is no need to use animals nowadays.
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Aka, but this is not the common view, which is why it is still commonplace and legal.
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Well quite a few scientists have taken that view. Being legal doesn't mean it is okay.
It's legal to stone women to death in some countries. Do you think that makes it right? |
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that's simply not true unfortunately akabula
(im not sure where you have got this information from)Also computer models have greatly improved the lowering of the need for animal testing, but again has not eradicated the use. Its a tough one I agree and very sad to use animals, especially those such as dogs and cats which we see as pets. stem technology can only go so far. Also tests often have to be carried out say on pregnant animals (mainly mice) to see the side effects. Eg how can you use stems etc for new organ transplants? Also there is 2 main treatments for parkinsons disease (both methods used animal testing). How can you use stems or a computer model for something as complicated as the brain, especially as it has to be a working one to see the various effects etc. |
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If testing on animals got the cure for say cancer then you got cancer or a loved one such as a child, morally would you not take the drug or administer it to your child if it saved their life?
That's really loading your question to suit your argument. |
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its a fair question akabula.
animal testing has provided the medical world with some amazing treatments (even antibiotics which im sure at some point everyone here has used). So if you are against it then how can you use products that have come directly from animal testing? Double standards spring to mind. |
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Today—because experiments on animals are cruel, expensive, and generally inapplicable to humans—the world’s most forward-thinking scientists have moved on to develop and use methods for studying diseases and testing products that replace animals and are actually relevant to human health. These modern methods include sophisticated tests using human cells and tissues (also known as in vitro methods), advanced computer-modeling techniques (often referred to as in silico models), and studies with human volunteers. These and other non-animal methods are not hindered by species differences that make applying animal test results to humans difficult or impossible, and they usually take less time and money to complete.
“We have moved away from studying human disease in humans. … We all drank the Kool-Aid on that one, me included. … The problem is that [animal testing] hasn’t worked, and it’s time we stopped dancing around the problem. … We need to refocus and adapt new methodologies for use in humans to understand disease biology in humans.” —Dr. Elias Zerhouni |
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he said animal testing hasn't worked.
And he wants to be taken seriously? |
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I mean take hiv as a recent example.
The life expectancy of someone with HIV is the same as a person without HIV. Stem technology, computers where both used as well as testing on monkeys. Ask the leading scientists involved with these pharmaceutical companies would it have been possible without the animal testing and they would categorically tell you without the animal testing it would not have been possible to achieve this. |
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And some will tell you it is possible.
Whatever way you approach this making an animal suffer in this way is barbaric. |