Jeremy Corbyn currently 24/1 to be the Labour lader

HJ

You can't debate with Facts.

If you get the upper hand, which isn't hard, he will tell you that he has blocked you and can't read your answers, so it's not worth posting. 

Strangely, as soon as you post something that he can PROVE is wrong, he will actually 'unblock' you.

But how did he know what you posted so that he couild 'unblock' you, because he can't see it.

I caught MeadowX1 out the same way on politics.

They are both luvvies, and both mad.

I gathered as much. I've encountered his kind before. If there's one thing I've discovered, it's that on the internet there are some arguments it's just not worth trying to win!

Andy Burnham  - 40/1 in to 6/5

Yvette Cooper - 17/1 into 9/4

Jeremy Corbyn - 979/1 into 4/1

Harriet Harman - 999/1 into 10/1

No tip for laying David Milliband from Pandora, who went from evens to 550

Everybody else is 1000

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Chukka Umuna was one of Pandora’s 4 tips to back - evens to 420

pandora1963   
15 Nov 12 15:32 
Chuku Ummunna to be next Labour leader. You may have a long wait guys and girls, but that is a cast iron cert!


More shrewdness from the bet welcher,
July 2013
labour majority 2015 6/4
you won't get many better 6/4 shots that are out and out certs,the snag is you have to wait 2 years. There are three reasons why the tories will never get a majority for at least another 20 years.

1) They are finished as a force north of London

2) They couldn't get a majority in 2010 when Laboour were despised,now the country has had a taste of tory politics all the polling suggests they are sick of it. They sure as hell won't get a majority in 2015.

3) The right wing media attacks on Ed Miliband have failed miserably and will continue to fail,no matter how low the sun newspaper sinks the day before the 2015 election.

Face it people,this county is no longer a conservative country,they haven't won an election since 1992,nobody except a few diehards believe in toryism anymore.


pandora1963   
06 May 15 00:09 
Disagree gigilo, i think the odds-on Labour most seats will come in


pandora1963   
06 May 15 00:14 
EO, cameron needs the magic number of 323. There is no way he will make up those numbers even with lib dems and DUP. Ed will with you know who.

pandora1963   
06 May 15 00:21 
the absolute max i can see the tories getting is 290, even with that(which will mean them taking lib dem seats) they wont be able to get over the line


pandora1963   
06 May 15 21:56 
still got a feeling in the back of my mind that Scotland won't be absolute carnage for Labour that the media are making it out to be


Pandora1963
08 May 2015 14:02
Get your money on Dan Jarvis next Labour leader.

^^^^ 2 days later, he quit the race.

pandora1963   
16 Apr 15 14:58 
I will do you a favour just this one time, Labour to win Battersea and Labour to win Simon Hughes setin Bermondsey. Both odds against but both will go Labour. Double them up and thank me on the 8th May.

Double fail

Wow. That's quite a file you're keeping on Pandora. Your quarry must be extremely flattered...

Having read all that, Pand does appear a bit of a fruitloop though..  Plenty of people would have agreed on a number of those 'tips', but I guess you should always stay away from the herd...

HonkyJoe

Foamed mouth fool
Nut job
Crazed anti-rich lefty


That's your idea of a reasoned argument/debate is it ?

So even though I didn't resort to such derogatory and personal remarks, you felt the need to.

Well done, you obviously win then.

No. That's not my idea of reasoned debate. But I specifically said I *wouldn't* engage in reasoned debate with you, because I could see it being a total waste of our time.

So you just resorted to abuse instead.

Congratulations.

honkyjoe you should come over to politics forum and see them get slapped around there

Let's hope Corbyn becomes the new leader before half of this sorry country's poor, sick and disabled decrease the 'surplus' population.

You won't know if this decrease happens to these sections of society because IDS won't release the numbers !

Shocking story about Corbyn last night. I assume he will withdraw now as nobody could support him now could they?

Yes, unbelievable.  What story?

this one ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11758612/Jeremy-Corbyn-accused-of-inaction-over-paedophile-scandal.html

shocking! digging the dirt already..not as if any tories have ever been involved in such happenings.

Here we go. Defending the side you support. I really wonder at the mentality of people who do this. Anyone who is involved in this or who has covered it up needs prosecuting where possible and certainly isnt fit for Public office. Whether they are tory or labour wouldnt matter to most normal people.

Blairites and the torygraph assassinate a socialist

HonkyJoe
24 Jul 15 02:01
Wow. That's quite a file you're keeping on Pandora. Your quarry must be extremely flattered...

It's not a file.

Pandora is well known on here and politics for posting things that will cause a reaction, then not returning to the thread.

This was brought to most punters attention when the moron put up prices for UKIP to win seats at the General Election.   

This is not mumsnet, this is a gamblers website, and when somebody sticks his or her head over the parapet with prices on an event, they should be honoured.

How would it look if an actual bookie put prices on this forum and didn't honour them?

The betting showed what a grasp dowthepandora has on reality, and before long the thread had quite a few bets on it that UKIP would get 1 or more seats, at the advertised price of 200/1.

Naturally, he had already vanished from the thread.

Aftet the election, myself and others dug back on forums to find posts by Labourites, stating that they would easily win the election.

There were plenty from what are described as 'left wingers' like cryoftruth, Comrade Karla, pandora and others.

And they were  brought back to the top of the forums so that us (I think this is the correct order) 'shaven headed, tattooed, jackboot wearing, swastika waving nazi fascists' could laugh at them.

Given the FACT that Labour wer a shade of odds on for a majority in the next election, two months after the 2010 election, it was easy to laugh at.

You only need to go back 6 pages on the politics forum to find them all, which should take the literate less than 6 minutes, that excludes the like of cryoftruth, who told us all on politics that he's an Oxford Don.

Something Labour did, or didn't do, and everybody has their own ideas, saw the betting change drastically, but there seemed to be no change in policies, so they were destined to lose.

Perhaps if Labour had a go at reforming their policies instead of constantly slagging off the Tories and UKIP, while coming up with nothing new themselves for months on end, they may have swung a few more votes their way.

nax - so are you not bothered if it's true?

Hmmm... I think I see your problem now, SaGC.  It seems you actually take this forum and its participants seriously!!

Takes the forum seriously ? It's his fcking life !! Such a sad git

I just don't like liars or bullies.

And as you can't be bullied via a keyboard, I have goes at liars. 

I trade insults when attacked first, and I've had threats of violence, death threats and people say that I seethe. I don't seethe in the real world let alone the world of the internet.

So many warriors on here it's a wonder that I can asleep at night.

I asked one chap a simple question on May 12th. He has been on the same thread 7 times, telling me, that I'm obsessed with him, but he was the one who ttt'd it 7 times, just to tell me that I was obsessed, and he still hasn't answered the question.

This is because he can't without making himself look either a liar, or stupid, so he chooses not to answer it.

In the end he will vanish, like the Chester Jester did when he got caught out.

It's a strange world where anonymous people would rather leave the forums than admit that they lied.

Take the w@nker that posted above me.

What did I tell you about him?

Is Facts still here? I thought he was leaving after the general election?

spelling,

I suggest you chill out and not take this forum so seriously.

Has it ever crossed your mind that this forum does not amount to a row of beans?

Is that a quote from  the film Casablanca

Possibly, though I've never watched the whole film.

Yep I though I recognised that line. No doubt someone will be along soon to clarify.

Rick: And you never will. But I've got a job to do, too. Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of. Ilsa, I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that.

from the said film

28 days a month I have fack all to do before racing starts, so I post.

According to misery guts, not that he can read this as I'm blocked by the senile old coont, the forum is all I have.

Ask him to find all my posts today from 1-45 p.m. up to 5-30 p.m.

Cheers. I wonder how that would be scripted nowadays?

I'm away for a smoke, I'm in a quiz in 10 minutes.

You should cut out the smokes spelling.

Tony Broke  • July 24, 2015 11:42 AM BST 
shocking! digging the dirt already..not as if any tories have ever been involved in such happenings.

Unbelievable comment Tony. are you saying you'll ignore this simply because some Tories are guilty of the same thing
Looks like anxious is taking this stance as well.

they should all be punished if found guilty whether they are left , right , straight , not straight,white, black , ,brown , oriental , continental etc.

I think somebody should take a shotgun to this poor thread, and put it out of its misery.  And it once had such promise too.... 

..well....

...as a final thought...if he gets elected as leader.....he will be PM.....imo.

I think we should take Joe's advice and end on egner's light hearted post.

I agree.

Hope you all got on , except that k unt burton brwers

That was some call, pandora1963!

great post which i originally snarled at #well done

Unlike some :-

posy     15 Jun 15 18:58 
2/1 in a week's time ! Not  even Labour party supporters are that stupid. Doubt he'll go under 10/1.

What a complete mug.

Applying equally to Facts but in this case Pandora.

all the shrewdies filled their boots

HonkyJoe • July 23, 2015 1:15 AM BST
Well I'm actually a staunch Tory, so I want anyone who's going to consign Labour to the firey pits of Hell!  Corbyn will do me just fine, thanks. As will Burnham....here here

ukip got a seat tho

weighed in, weighed in.

Hope everyone got on, cracking bet

Tom & Jerry hoof the Torys

59.5%, nearest rival 19%, landslide, not even remotely close. beat all others combined

Pmsl
Just put the news on
Sales of paint going through the roof by the look of all those painted on smiles of those trounced

Next will be the sale of daggers goin through the roof as they stab him in the back

brendanuk1    12 Sep 15 11:51 
59.5%, nearest rival 19%, landslide, not even remotely close. beat all others combined

That bit was kinda necessary brendan!

yes, suppose I was thinking on first count, thats my excuse

Marvellous news. Good for Corbyn. Good for his supporters. Arguably good for the Labour party and the country to once again have a genuine choice between the two main parties. I may not agree with much of what he stands for but this is just the kind of shake up which politics needs. Which is probably why the fight against Corbyn has been so vicious.

A word of warning to his supporters though. You elected him and so if the country roundly rejects Labour at the next election I do hope you won't be bawling your eyes out about how he was robbed.

Rare for me to say this but... excellent post EO. I even pay heed to yuor word of warning.

Sep 12, 2015 -- 12:09PM, Mikael D'Haguenet wrote:

Rare for me to say this but... excellent post EO. I even pay heed to yuor word of warning.

Much though it irks me, I was going to say the same thing!

Well done EO ! I always knew you had it in you

Biggest victory is the kick in the teeth for career politicians

well tipped pandora

Mikael

A lot of the peope who voted for him are going to get the surprise of their lives in the run up to the next election Mikael. It will make the character assassination of a good man and brilliant orator (Michael Foot) look like a eulogy.

even foot thought corbyn was a loony leftist !

Love the way the bbc were covering the leadership race, they were reporting on it daily until it was known that Corbyn was a cert, then they gave up on the coverage.

I don't doubt it EO. I still think Foot would have won regardless, had it not been for the Falklands.

It is the litmus test above all.
All the accusations of the Tories; 'be careful what you wish for'
I've always seen that as the argument of protectionism.

Now we find out for better or for worse, this will determine categorically whether I shall remain with the socialist ethos in future. I'm too young to have witness socialism in action before, if they goes tits up I'll never fight its corner again.

you have to say top tipping by the OP............not sure many thought it a good bet back then,hope he made plenty

Yep, they even tried to slur him in last Mondays Panorama programme. Disgraceful.

I can't agree with that Mikael. The left seized on The Falklands but it was the economy which did for them. Thatcher told the country the medicine she was giving would be hard but that it would work and timing is everything. In 1981 nobody believed her. In 1982 the first signs were present and by 1983 people were convinced. Whether they were right to be is a moot point.

Put another way if people voted for leaders who gave them victory in war and prestige around the world they would never have got rid of Churchill in 45.

Not good news for the SNP

Burnham now gonna watch EFC with not a fackin left or right winger (Everton wise) in sight..........

I'm not sure about that. The SNP have the ball. Labour will only get a look in if the SNP drop it. Which isn't to say they won't win some seats back but I don't think we will return to the old days.

5 Open Championships and now Deputy Leader of the Labour Party. Quite a CV.

I'm not a supporter but Corbyn is a far more impressive personality than Cameron and a offers a clear choice so at least things could get interesting.

PMQs could be interesting. Dont think Cameron will know how to deal with it

If most are like me, they will have no idea what to expect Brendan

Hope he wears a Tie for wednesday

He gained 251,417 or 59.5% of first preference votes - 40% more than his nearest rival Mr Burnham, who got 19%.
Ms Cooper was third on 17% and Ms Kendall a distant fourth with 4.5% of the vote

Tom Watson deputy....to take over when Jeremy has unfortunate car accident?

Some very interesting posts on page one of this thread
Not least


Foinavon    22 Jul 15 12:12 
Wonder what post Dianne Abbot will have in Corbyn's shadow cabinet? Shadow home secretary perhaps?


I suspect we will be seeing her on the front benches sadly

Abbott is just so bad. Every week on this week you just sat there in shock at her sheer stupidity.

What a train wreck of a party.

The OP's tip when starting this thread is probably the best tip I've seen  on any forum .Well done.

the op tipped about 10 different candidates tbf

I agree with that EO post.  Politics needs a shake up like this. Hopefully the kids will vote for him. I hated the way all the lefties went along for the ride when Blair showed them how to get elected, showed that power was more important than principles to them.  I wonder how this will effect the lib dem voter share?

There will be one hell of a character assassination on him from the media,  luckily he does seem to have more character than the likes of Milliband.  Well done Jezza and good luck.

Sensational tipping from Pandora. He called it to perfection.

A taste of the other tips from the opening poster concerning the Labour Leadership contest.

Dan Jarvis ("the man everyone's talking about"…..well, until he pulled out a day or so later)

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http://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/30493527/get-your-money-on-dan-jarvis-next-labour-leader


Chuka Umunna ("a cast iron cert" … although backers will have 'a long wait'…. no kidding there…)

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http://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/29495583/betting-tipbut-you-will-have-a-long-wait


Visitors to the Politics Forum looking at threads from May onwards will also see any number of quite catastrophic tips given by the opening poster, on a range of UK political markets. Some are mentioned earlier in this thread.

There is also the far more serious matter of offering odds on the 'Number of Seats won by UKIP at the 2015 General Election', odds which a number of forumites accepted, but no payouts have yet been forthcoming on winning bets, less still any integrity to discuss payment plans.   

Well done btw on anyone who did actually successfully back Corbyn to win the Leadership Contest at the fancy prices.

And he never once returned to the scene of the crime when he was putting people away but he calls one right and comes along puffing his chest out and coccka dooddle do-ing like a cockerel sat on top of his own dung heap.

Corbyn with Billy Bragg singing "Well keep the Red Flag flying"

There's a million votes lost right there

It is an amazing turn of events. 

Labour grandees putting Corbyn forward at the eleventh hour (hoping to humiliate him in my view) must surely rank amongst the worst of political own goals.  Nothing more than they deserve, of course, but I genuinely fear for the consequences to our country; we need a strong and effective opposition.

I think it was even worse than that poker. They weren't seeking to humiliate anybody because they didn't think they were important enough to humiliate. It was simply a case of patronising the left wing by throwing them a bone in the same way they did Diane Abbott in 2010 to continue to prove what a broad church they are and it has blown their socks off.

Democracy can be a motherfrucker.

Which isn't to say that democracy won't benefit. Corbyn is clearly someone who thinks about issues and arrives at a considered response. Whilst I usually disagree with the view he arrives at I do see it as refreshing that he goes through that process. It sure as **** beats the hell out of, doe eyes, pouting to the camera, mock seriousness/gravitas followed by, "it's the right thing to do".

PM if you made that statement a couple of months back I would totally have agreed with you, its just the government  even though they have just won an election are hardly popular with the masses & Corbyn may well in the short term prove popular, be interesting to see how he holds up at question time & of course most of the press will look to belittle him at every opportunity.

And now we have a scenario, God help us, where Diane Abbott will likely occupy a shadow cabinet position!

With an a*** that big she might possibly take up two seats in cabinet.

He appeals to those disenchanted with New Labour and the general spin doctor age of politics.

Nearly 40% didn't vote in May. Many of those will be young and see JC as a refreshing change from the smarmy, slippery politicians on all sides..

However, first Labour select the wrong brother, then Margaret Beckett calls herself a 'moron' for nominating JC..

Astonishing scenes indeed...

As EO articulates so well, beware of democracy

All in all, a leadership contest that made the words 'booze-up' and 'brewery' spring to mind.

Democracy always falls short when two wolves and a sheep vote upon dinner.

It was pointed out on telly the other day that the new fundijgn rules may stop the usual block grant from the unions.
Of course the individual supporters may stump up but many probably can't be bothered. So then they may rely on donations from people, and what business person is going go give money to help this bell end get in to ruin the country?

I would just like to congratulate the BBC for the great job they did in getting their man Jezzer Corbs elected as the new labour leader.
.

Probably the best thing that's ever happened in politics in a long long time for everybody except Labour and the SNP.

Jeremy will split the republican vote down the middle.
The SNPs roll will stutter, Labour will gain some of the ground they lost in Scotland, The LibDems will get back their lost seats.
UKIP will have some more shunted in their direction and the Tories will stay where they are for as long as JC is in charge.
Well done you Labourites you've played a corker.