BBC doc on doping.

fbi will get them all signing scum the lot of them

Same as everybody else who is not accused. Time may tell a different tale. Personally, I think all sport suffers in cases like this. Most athletes are against performance-enhancing drugs...but the need to win is strong. Just another bad day for honesty and good old-fashioned honour.

after the olympics , last year mo fainted with exhaustion in a run must have been of his meds

Olympic champion Mo Farah collapses at the end of the New York half marathon: Father-of-three lost consciousness after finishing in second place... but DOESN'T remember passing out

    Father-of-three fell around the six-mile mark but carried on
    He eventually finished second after a sprint finish to the line
    But shortly after Farah finished the race, he collapsed
    Runner later appeared to blame chilly conditions in New York
    Temperatures were just above freezing when the race was held
    Farah, 30, won two golds for Britain in the 2012 London Games
    His time today was just outside his British record of 60m 59s


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582079/Olympic-champion-Mo-Farah-collapses-end-New-York-half-marathon.html#ixzz3c3FGk6AZ
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still came 2nd

look at his eyes in picture , hes out his head

naydam im going to state the bleedin obvious if mo didnt know what was going on he is either a fairy or blind. Thats all i will say.

How in the light of evidence he can say he say nothing is bollix.

And pure bollix. Athletics is a myth anyway. Most are on drugs or know of them. So mo farah if hes on or not means nothing. But the pure bollix of the british media to athletics is wrong. Once they are doing well its ok. There is one british woman gold id say without doubt is doping. Without doubt. But the uk media wont care. Its 100% she was doping.

Foreigners like Jamaica just have better sprinter gear ( aka drugs )simples

Top British athletics star escaped drug probe despite abnormal blood values, claims German documentary
Athlete, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had high red blood cell count but IAAF failed to follow up with 'target testing', documentary alleges

anyone know who this was

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11282513/Top-British-...

Anti-doping boss probes 'suspicious red' drug list that names top UK star: British track and field icon among 65 athletes under investigation over abnormal blood readings

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2873029/Anti-doping-boss-probes-suspicious-red-drug-list-names-UK-star-British-track-field-icon-65-athletes-investigation-abnormal-blood-readings.html#ixzz3c3YSbnrn
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all at it


Kelly Holmes is that who oyu think is a safe bet for no drugs?

Gunnel or Ellis

This is the real corrosive effect that drugs have on sport.

A lot of unsubstantiated speculation by people with very little knowledge of the testing processes, the sports science, the peer pressure NOT to take drugs and the extraordinary lengths most athletes go to, to remain compliant with their sports testing processes.

Much easier to go 'they're all at it', remain ignorant but look cool - and feed the drip, drip, drip cynicism about sport that bit further.

Only have to look at all the people who have been caught int he past to think its huge in Atheltics

Usuain Bolts team mate also , look at all the roid freaks even in the uk now , your telling me its not came from the gyms and athletics ?

yes its rife, if you can micro dose to increase performance by 10% or boost a low testosterone level up to one in high 'normal' range. Without any risk of getting caught why wouldnt you?

shark*

good few errors and i ONT BE correctig them gramma king

Htf could you cheat at swimming?  outboard motor up your @rse ffs?

a mushy pea diet

Mo a doper....you know it's coming

Anfeild.   With reference to Mo's eyes and being 'out of it' as you (or somebody else) say: I haven't looked at the picture. There wouldn't be any point because I am not qualified to be able to define how ones' eyes would appear when under the influence of whatever unidentified drugs you are indicating. I also have grave reservations regarding your ability to do the same.
There could be many reasons that would cause a runner to faint or collapse and have an unusual appearance to his eyes. These could range from oxygen starvation, probably oxygen overload, simply driving his body too far beyond it's design parameters, dehydration, and, of course, possible drug use.
But I doubt very much if you, or anybody else for that matter, can state beyond reasonable doubt exactly WHAT the cause may be.

What drugs would you Jim Peters was on?

*would you say* ffs!

They'll soon be saying "Somalian athlete Mo Farah..".

2019 world athletics championships are in Qatar.  BBC journos frothing in the mouth at that one.  Double whammy.

I reckon Chuck Blazer and Jack Warner have been spoonfeeding EPO to Seb Coe, whilst murdering construction workers, and pocketing millions of Dirham's worth of Nike vouchers.

Allegedly.

Clerkmore
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    04 Jun 15 12:34   

They'll soon be saying "Somalian athlete Mo Farah..". 

It's when they say 'Arsenal supporter Mo Farah....' that you know he's truly beyond the pale re the court of public opinion

Daly taking the EPO was the most interesting part for me. It's something I would like to try in a controlled environment to find out what the effects were.

' that you know he's truly beyond the pail re the court of public opinion

hth

Jun 4, 2015 -- 9:12AM, john92 wrote:

Daly taking the EPO was the most interesting part for me. It's something I would like to try in a controlled environment to find out what the effects were.

In many ways I agree this was the most interesting part, especially for me a Sunday athlete, like him, for one - what are my opponents doing, two - what would the effects be on me and three - what could I achieve with a lot more hard work.

I think I've given up on expecting top athletes being clean, but I still hold on to some believe, so it probably was the accusations that were more damning and important.

His experiment though, could fill an entire hour, a lot more, of a different programme. His increase of 10% VO2 Max in - what was it, a week, 10 days - a short time was nothing short of phenomenal, eye opening and in many ways worrying.

Rogerthebutler was quite correct in his spelling of "the pale."

Pail is the bucket

Pale is lacking colour

Beyond the pail is when you miss the bucket

Beyond the pail is when you miss the bucket

^ Means not acceptable.

poor effort

From pale (“jurisdiction of an authority, territory under an authority's jurisdiction”), suggesting that anything outside the authority's jurisdiction was uncivilized. The phrase was in use by the mid-17th century, and may be a reference to the general sense of boundary, but is often understood to refer specifically to the English Pale in Ireland. In the nominally English territory of Ireland, only the Pale fell genuinely under the authority of English law, hence the terms within the pale and beyond the pale.

You could write a book on this issue but I think the default position for most of us is the one Darlo Bantam outlined - that you hold onto some belief that most top athletes are clean.

Then you get a bit more information and think about things like the toleration and sensitivity levels of tests. Since it's unlikely you will ever catch anyone in the act of cranking dope, you have to rely on the chemical analysis of an athletes blood or urine and as we have seen, one can increase the constituency of certain naturally occurring elements in the body by artificial (i.e drug induced) means yet still pass a drugs test.

So as a sports authority, do you tighten the tests - and run the risk of banning healthy clean athletes - or keep the status quo and tolerate athletes pushing at the margins of acceptability?

One thing I think the public is screaming out for is a lifetime ban for anyone caught cheating, after going through the requisite series of checks balances and appeals. I would have included commercial sponsors in that statement but Nike have actually picked up sponsorship of convicted cheat Justin Gatlin again - words fail me there, they really do.

Of course, what happens if my daughters Rowing crew comes onto the landing stage after winning the Gold medal at Rio. They have to hydrate quickly a) because they are in danger of overheating and b) because in 20 minutes they have to produce a urine sample for drugs tesing and it can (has) taken certain athletes up to five ours to squeeze out a few drops N.B this is done in full view of an approved (same sex, natch!) official - lovely, eh?

What happens if someone has spiked their drinks?
What happens if, when congratulated by other competitors, they smear testosterone gel on them?

Can't happen?

Really......?

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Anfeild. Confused  With reference to Mo's eyes and being 'out of it' as you (or somebody else) say: I haven't looked at the picture. There wouldn't be any point because I am not qualified to be able to define how ones' eyes would appear when under the influence of whatever unidentified drugs you are indicating. I also have grave reservations regarding your ability to do the same.
There could be many reasons that would cause a runner to faint or collapse and have an unusual appearance to his eyes. These could range from oxygen starvation, probably oxygen overload, simply driving his body too far beyond it's design parameters, dehydration, and, of course, possible drug use.
But I doubt very much if you, or anybody else for that matter, can state beyond reasonable doubt exactly WHAT the cause may be.

and pick himself back up and finish second , must have been really knackered

too many drugs needed them to calm down a bit or he would have won by a mile or two

need to fake a faint to calm down a bit

john92
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Daly taking the EPO was the most interesting part for me. It's something I would like to try in a controlled environment to find out what the effects were.



does if effect the head

I read a story about middle aged Sunday cyclists doped up to the eyeballs to win amateur races:



http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/09/doping-cycling-uci-commission-epo-worldtour

What a bunch of *****!!!

rogerthebutler's contribution to this thread carries the most weight as he is probably the only one who has any experience of testing at top level.
Naydam asks what drugs might Jim Peters have been using.
He might have been on amphetamines which were being used by endurance athletes after World War 2 as amphetamines were developed by the military to keep personnel alert and active while in combat.

Thanks bix.

It's hard to argue with the 'everyone is using gear' cynics. Sport is such a broad church and different federations have different rules, face different threats and have different resources to combat them.

Can I honestly say 'such and such sport is clean' or 'so and so athlete is clean'. No I can't, just as idle, uninformed speculation about Mo Farah based on his eyes (for Christ sakes) is no proff that he's using gear.

All you can do is understand the rigours of the testing process for certain sports, the peer group pressure there is NOT to cheat (and one thing team sports could do would be to disqualify the entire team if one player is found to be using gear) and I would have said the commercial imperative of key sponsors wishing to be associated with clean sports / athletes, until you look at the Nike / Gatlin deal, which beggars belief.

That's before you get onto the moral issue of what do we play sport for as a society?

Part of the problem is that we know that many cheats have been routinely tested on numerous occasions and NOT failed a test or, if they have, it's been covered up or explained away with a doctor's note for a rash!

So what do you do?

Change the toleration levels of tests and run the risk of excluding hitherto clean athletes? Or stay as we are and effectively accommodate the 'microdosers' pushing at the margins of testing acceptability?

It's not an easy one to answer.

Drugs cheating is different to other forms of cheating in that messing with your chemical blueprint, as an athlete, it can get you killed (see Tommy Simpson, Lyle Alzado and many others) and that is no template to hold up to a kid playing Little League sport or turning out for his local under 11's. Yes drugs testing is imperfect (you could start by levying a tithe on all sports based on their federations annual income, to go to the funding of WADA) and the punishments are laughable but that's no reason to stop trying in my opinion.

I don't know what the authorities do. I do know that as a member of the 'all at it' camp that I don't trust them to expose cheating, even if they do catch offenders.

Btw, I'd never heard of Alzado but a qwiki suggests that there is no proof that his steroid use contributed in any way to his early demise.

Well, the authorities patently do expose cheats when they catch them - it's that fact that, I would suggest, leads to the 'well if Lance Armstrong is at it (i.e has been caught and exposed) then they all are' Catch-22 scenario.

Re Alzado, I don't suppose you would ever get cast iron proof that 'action a led to consequence y'. Roy Castle thought his lung cancer was caused by years of passive smoking in working mens clubs, but maybe he had a genetic predisposition anyway - who knows?

Can we agree that mega-doses of drugs, beyond what is prescribed even by underground pharmacists, cannot be good for one's long term health?

Armstrong won seven Tours de France AFTER failing a drugs test. Carl Lewis failed THREE tests at the 1988 US Olympic trials, yet the infinitely less marketable Ben Johnson was the fall guy. Over 100 US athletes failed tests between 1988-2000 yet were covered up. Others, such as Marion Jones, apparently never failed a test at all, at least not until 2006 when we now know she'd been using long before her successes at the 2000 Olympics.

The authorities cannot be trusted.

As I understand it, Carl Lewis tested positive, but in those days before strict liability was introduced it was allowed to plead mitigating circumstances. However, if the same case arose today, he would not have tested positive in the first place, as the threshold for those substances is higher.

Either way, he got off. The real scandal was indeed that the positive test and outcome was not made public at the time.

There is a book called "The Dirtiest Race in History" which is a good read if you're genuinely interested in this stuff. It centres around the 1988 Olympic 100m, but covers many other aspects of the Johnson/Lewis rivalry, commercialism of the sport and, of course, the whole doping culture. It's available as an e-book and quite cheap.

Not forgetting Flo Jo.

flo jo was as clean as anyone whoever raced. Otherwise you're just a speculating gossip monger Omerta is the word

I did a quick search for 'steroids in the NFL' but couldn't come up with anything of great substance. However, wiki provides this tidbit: Since the NFL started random, year-round tests and suspending players for banned substances [in 1987,] many more players have been found to be in violation of the policy. By April 2005, 111 NFL players had tested positive for banned substances, and of those 111, the NFL suspended 54.

Obviously those numbers are 10 years old but less than half of those failing tests were suspended. I'm not a fan of American football anyway but I'd guess there are way more than 111 players currently playing who aren't clean. I do know they recently did an investigation into shrinking balls but only one player was suspended!

The point made before about people not getting caught by testing is very valid. It's for this reason that some athletes who get caught now are given much lighter bans if they are prepared to spill the beans and name names. I think Tyson Gay was an example of this (apologies if I'm wrong).

I read somewhere a while back that catching people by intelligence methods is seen as more effective than testing. Sad, but that's how it is.

Allan Wells has claimed he has been the victim of a ‘hatchet job’ and plans to fight allegations in a BBC documentary that he doped his way to Olympic gold.

In the Panorama investigation aired on Wednesday evening, the retired Scotsman was accused of taking the banned anabolic steroid stanozolol before winning the 100m title at the 1980 Games in Moscow.

The main claims were made by former rival Drew McMaster, who has previously admitted to taking performance drugs, and Wells told Sportsmail that he is the victim of a personal vendetta.


would anyone say it to allan wells face?