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How would you price this fight up if they fought in a month or so. As i had this discussion at work and we had 3 massively diff views. I have Fury Fav but one guy made Joshua 1/5 ( must smoked a doobie last night)
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1/2 AJ 6/4 FURY
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I'd have Fury as favourite simply because of his size.
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tough one to call as we still dont really know how good AJ is
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id prob have fury as 4/7
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joshua been looking all week in old folks home for next person to fight
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Joshua.........easy win 1/2
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AJ got too much power for Fury and his size and speed means he should be able to land a lot on Fury, who, let's face it, is somewhat of a lumbering oaf and has proved to be not too difficult to drop.
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Fury not that much bigger than Joshua and what he gains in size he more than foregoes in basic athleticism. I'd be surprised if Joshua doesn't go on to be a World Champion and equally surprised if Fury does. 1/3 Joshua and I still wouldn't be keen to take much.
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aj favourite
1/3 fury |
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PMSL Joshua 1/3 that's a laugh he hasn't even fought anybody who has thrown a punch back but that's the hype machine for ya I suppose.
Would have Fury bout 2/5 he's shown he has the heart for a battle. |
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Its amazing that the same responses here that i had at work . Either you made one hot fav or the other no one made them each of 2
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I don't rate Fury at all but I'd put him fav over Joshua, for now, due to his greater experience at pro
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think the bookies would have it around the same as grantcking.
it amazes me more how easy it is for eddie to fool all the mongs |
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4/9 AJ
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If they fought now. Anyone who had Joshua Fav would get filled in.
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There hasn't been a decent heavyweight prospect yet who doesn't fight a bum-a-month for the first couple of years of his career. Joshua no different, but what I've seen is a top class prospect with genuine speed and power. He can only improve and just because he hasn't been in with somebody like Fury yet, doesn't mean he couldn't step up to that level.
Fury, by contrast is slow and limited, agreed he has got heart and would always have a punchers chance, but I just don't think he has the same level of class and go with the younger up and comer, even this early in his career. |
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Fury not that much bigger than Joshua and what he gains in size he more than foregoes in basic athleticism. I'd be surprised if Joshua doesn't go on to be a World Champion and equally surprised if Fury does. 1/3 Joshua and I still wouldn't be keen to take much.
you would'nt have to worry about taking much no big backer in there right mind would b backing at that price. would b more concerned how much 5/2 fury you gonna give, may have to limit it to 10 bob |
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The last heavyweight that was supposed to be the next big thing before Joshua was Price. He's so big, he's so strong, he's got the power to bomb anyone out...I fell for it with many others. Can't believe someone who genuinely looked a worldbeater can actually be so average. But that's the joys of cherrypicking opponents to make sure you keep your '0' next to your name and build a reputation.
Not saying it will happen to Joshua, but what happened to Price would definitely mean I'd exercise a lot of caution and not get carried away this time. |
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I love these discussions. Just love em. To me this is one of the great arts of boxing. The mythical matchup be they past fights or future ones. As heavyweights go once you go past Wlad what is there at the moment? Wilder many will say but who has he beat? For different reasons both these guys are legit. Fury is ready to give a good account of himself now. He really seems to want Wlad. If I were him I'd work hard for a couple of years and get into the best shape I could because Wlad will be on the downside then. Fury may not yet have lost but he beats himself every time he doesn't prepare like an athlete. He isn't Frazier, Tyson, Hatton etc for whom duration wasn't that important but intensity was. Fury is kuch underrated in the ability dpartment. All these know it alls who say he is a bum talk out of their ar5e. He has all the tools.
The question which is the same for Joshua is what will happen if an out and out banger tests his whiskers? He's been put down by no punching glorified cruisers but that tends to happen to him when he doesn't focus in camp. As for Joshua he's just so early in his career but what's not to like? The thing I like most amongst a plethora of qualities is his ability to soit down on a shot even when he's throwing a combination. It seems alamost to be a lost art but if you think of some of the most devastating punchers in history from Dempsey, to Marciano via Louis they all had it. If you don't get me go and look on you tube of some of their fights and look at what Joshua does and he's still very ineperienced but crucially a simply huge guy. On the whiskers anybody can be taken out but some guys are known for being chinny. Harrison was derided by the heavies because they knew he couldn't take a shot. No disrespect to rice but the ruours were there from his amateur days. I've not heard anything about Joshua. What I have have seen in various boxig interviews are the true gym rats both observers and fighters who have gone in with Joshua. Nearly everybody says that Wlad is still a cut above the rest at the moment but everybody is complimentary about Joshua about so man aspects of his game. Guys who have been around the block many times saying that this kid is right now one of the best three r four fighters on the planet makes me sit up and take notice. Do I want to price it up? No way. I take the odds when I see value but right now I don't see that much between them when it comes to the odds. Fury has more experience with Joshua being the coming man. Why fight now for a few hundred thousand when they can fight at their peak for the titles and millions? |
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In paragraph two I make the point about Fury being put down although it doesn't read well.
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Guinness tonight. The start of my masterpiece is postponed until tomorrow.
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Very funny EO!
The thing I like about Joshua more than anything is; he reminds me so much of a young George Foreman. |
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I don't see it in my minds eye in the way I see those other fighters and when I don't see it my interest is piqued when someone who knows about boxing highights something like that. I'm too drunk now to give a considered view there Tommy but I know you know your boxing so I'm going to have a damned good look at that tomorrow and get back to you on that one. In fact forget that 'm halfway through man On Fire and that can wait. I'll be back shortly.
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So many differences in eras. A 21 year old Foreman was fighting guys like Peralta with a wealth of experience but on the other side of the coin he was less than 200lbs.
For me similarities? Not many. George had a much underrated jab as a young fighter and until he blitzed Frazier he was trying to fight like a boxer most of the time despite him being a power swininging armed fighter much of the time rather than a classic boxer. His problem which he didn't address is he lapsed into swinging arm punches which because he was such a beast he got away with. If they connected you had problems but he just punched himself out given time. The last 20 seconds of the Peralta fight were painful with George reeling around like a drunk. Frazier was less than six feet and Norton fought out of a crouch and these destructions, Ali and the Lyle war are probably what he is best remembered for but their height allowed him to get away with his wild swings. One historical record is Ali noting during the Frazier destruction how tired Foreman was making himself putting all his effort into taking Frazier out early. When going to the neutral corner he kept leaning his arms over the ropes to allow them to recover. At this Ali said, "I've got this sucker". Joshua is a different kettle of fish or he will be. He's got that ramrod jab but his ability to change it late into the hook is something George didn't have. His footwork is different class. He's bigger but he moves like a cruiser. He throws correct combinations and the time from leaving to ariving is so much quicker than with George because his punches tend to be straight. I'd like to see slightly less of the Bruno stiffness and more of the languid style of Lewis but that's a minor quibble. I'm not saying better. Just different. We don't know if he can fight after 10 rounds but there doesn't seem to be any great wastage going on and then as I say there's the chin. Fury and George are for me chalk and cheese but I remain interested in your own analysis. |
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All I have to say is: I really enjoyed that, EO.
It's just so good at times to read something on here by someone who knows his onions. Chappeau. |
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- other than that, I really hope (and think) that Joshua is 'the real deal'.
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Sorry I meant Joshua and George.
Likewise Tommy. I always enjoy breaking fighters and styles down and taling the game. I'm an old school guy If you could be one sportsman as a kid when it was my time it was always heavyweight champ. Footballers were ten a penny. |
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In my mind he has everything Tommy. If he's got the chin and stamina then two or three years from now my belief is that if he continues to develop his craft nobody lives with him including Wlad. Maybe controversial but the beatings he took never went away. Manny just turned him into a supreme exponent of a certain style of fighting. My point being is he didn't take one punch blow outs like Lewis which can happen to anybody. Wlad took two absolute beat downs by historically average fighters before Manny changed his style. He's just been fortunate that nobody big enough or determined enough have got into his space and refused to move and being willing to go out on their shield in order to remind him of his own demons. A trained Fury isn't a lost cause for me at all given his sheer size and his bloody mindedness when it comes to a tear up. A big factor for me is what shape his uncle can deliver him in.
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