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12 May 15
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It's taken me 19 years to realise this, but it just hit me in the car this morning, even though the song wasn't on and I haven't heard it for years, and has bugged me ever since.
So in 1996 they were singing about 30 years of hurt since 1966. However, although it was 30 years since England won their last major title, the first two years were not of hurt as they were still holders of the last major international tournament and had two years to crow about it. It was only when they got turned over in Euro 68 that things got hurtful. So really it was only 28 years of hurt.
Do I have a point?
So in 1996 they were singing about 30 years of hurt since 1966. However, although it was 30 years since England won their last major title, the first two years were not of hurt as they were still holders of the last major international tournament and had two years to crow about it. It was only when they got turned over in Euro 68 that things got hurtful. So really it was only 28 years of hurt.
Do I have a point?
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Yes but 28 years of hurt doesn't have the same ring to it.
30 years of hurt? More like 30 years of gloating.
And gloating over a trophy where you changed the rules to suit you.
Not to mention the git on the touchline.
And gloating over a trophy where you changed the rules to suit you.
Not to mention the git on the touchline.
They could have held it back to use it at France 98 to keep 30 year of hurt in the lyrics.
Although that would have been taking a big chance we didn't win Euro 96, which we were a whisker away from.
Although that would have been taking a big chance we didn't win Euro 96, which we were a whisker away from.
Maybe it was a prophecy.
If we didn't win Euro 1996, by 1998 we would have, indeed, suffered the three decades of pain.
Oh, yes….and was there a Euro 1968?
If we didn't win Euro 1996, by 1998 we would have, indeed, suffered the three decades of pain.
Oh, yes….and was there a Euro 1968?
Brendan is correct Dan. The formula is now to take the generally accepted number of years of hurt and subtract two. It won't be 50 years of hurt until 2018.
And yes there was a Euro 68 in Italy, England lost in the semis, hence beginning the hurt years.
And yes there was a Euro 68 in Italy, England lost in the semis, hence beginning the hurt years.
A marvellous insight from Roger, analogous to a great chess master suddenly finding an intuitive, ground-breaking new variation in the Ruy Lopez opening...a quite MASSIVE surge forward in logical-empirical thought, really, whilst simultaneously displaying a witty, subtle appreciation of subjective mannerism ; in fact, one of the most forceful and dynamic insights ever posted on Chit Chat.
Having said that
I feel that more work needs to be done - palma non sine pulvere - (by Roger and POSSIBLY EVEN KEN MASTERS!) on the contemplation and ultimate selection of this rather arbitrary "first two years" of so called "enjoyment" and "crowing". Yes, it thus stands SYMBOLICALLY, a sharp definition of the milk and honey of England's achievement, but if we are ever to ascertain some sort of quasi-objective posterity, "thirty years of hurt" must be similarly codified and courageously identified.
Having said that
I feel that more work needs to be done - palma non sine pulvere - (by Roger and POSSIBLY EVEN KEN MASTERS!) on the contemplation and ultimate selection of this rather arbitrary "first two years" of so called "enjoyment" and "crowing". Yes, it thus stands SYMBOLICALLY, a sharp definition of the milk and honey of England's achievement, but if we are ever to ascertain some sort of quasi-objective posterity, "thirty years of hurt" must be similarly codified and courageously identified.
Frankly I had not realised the depths of this subject which is unravelling before our eyes. I had no idea on the drive to work that one small innocuous thought could mushroom into something so big. I feel a little bit like that fella who discovered DNA right now.
Is it too late to ask Cameron to form a working party on this one? I feel that with Clegg to guide him it could have been on the agenda but on his own this maverick will ride roughshod over the years of hurt enigma.
Is it too late to ask Cameron to form a working party on this one? I feel that with Clegg to guide him it could have been on the agenda but on his own this maverick will ride roughshod over the years of hurt enigma.
palma non sine pulvere
not sure what this means but sounds very much like what i did with a girl in Majorca.
not sure what this means but sounds very much like what i did with a girl in Majorca.
That's funny u mentioned CLEGG, Roger The Butler, as I felt STRONGLY - from about the mid-point of this thread - that he could offer valuable insights into Skinner and Baddiel's song, if only he would volunteer his services...the man still has so much to offer.
In Scotland we won't be deducting this 2 years aforementioned as our hurt started in 1966.
I'm actually OK with it now, Aka, as you can't help but like Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton and Gordon Banks in retrospect...also, they achieved something on 2 bob a week that guys on £200,000 a week find all but impossible.
Eusebio, Torres and Simoes were all likeable as well Vel. Would have preferred to see them lift the cup tbh.
Nobby Stiles 1968 autobiography:
"There was always plenty of vituperative comments by the Scots before an international, and if they do win it is played up out of all proportion and we never hear the end of it."
"Sometimes it goes beyond the bounds of partisanship and only points to one thing: an inferiority complex that can only be sated by reviling the English"
"There was always plenty of vituperative comments by the Scots before an international, and if they do win it is played up out of all proportion and we never hear the end of it."
"Sometimes it goes beyond the bounds of partisanship and only points to one thing: an inferiority complex that can only be sated by reviling the English"
Nobby Stiles. 
How can you take someone called Nobby seriously ffs.
How can you take someone called Nobby seriously ffs.
Anyways Scotland put you firmly in your place in 67.
3-2. could have been any score. Baxter's keepy-up
Brilliant
3-2. could have been any score. Baxter's keepy-up
Brilliant
They should do a remake of that classic and it would be 50 years of hurt and still deluded..
Denis Law played for one of the greatest English teams, made his career and life in England and in the process became a legend. When England played in the final he found it so unbearable he couldn`t watch, took himself off to the golf course
Its a pretty strange mindset all in all...
Denis Law still lives in England.
Its a pretty strange mindset all in all...Denis Law still lives in England.
Returning to the OP, do we actually know WHEN the song was written?
A lot of people appear to have fallen into the trap of assuming that the song was written in the summer of 1996.
It could easily have been written a year earlier.
'27 years of hurt, never stopped me dreaming….'?
Surely, all further discussion is premature until this issue is resolved.
A lot of people appear to have fallen into the trap of assuming that the song was written in the summer of 1996.
It could easily have been written a year earlier.
'27 years of hurt, never stopped me dreaming….'?
Surely, all further discussion is premature until this issue is resolved.
Also had team mates in the England team, hatred of the English national team probably goes back a hundred years if not more 
Also had team mates in the England team, hatred of the English national team probably goes back a hundred years if not more
Also had team mates in the England team, hatred of the English national team probably goes back a hundred years if not more
It was thirty years of hurt. In 1996 I.e 30 years since they WON the World Cup. What's the problem ?
It refers to 30 years of attempting and failing to win the world cup.
The `Hurt` did not necessarily last for the complete 30 years..it came and went, sometimes it never even crossed our minds
It was 30 years before 96 that they won something it was only 28 years before that they first attempted to win something else after the world cup win, were they hurting in 67 then !!
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No, that is not the point, the 30 years of hurt does not mean literally 30 years, maybe the hurt accumulated gradually as the years passed...as it got longer the hurt intensified with each failed year....that is why 30 years is correct.
If they are so badly hurt still after 50 years why not just jump off a cliff?
That is not the English supporters way, they will try and try again...and why not.
I felt a lot of hurt in 1970 when the Germans beat us.
Getting beat by Scotland in 67 is the point we realised we didnt deserve to be world champions and would not be retaining the trophy next time.
So 29. Which naturally rounds up to 30.
So 29. Which naturally rounds up to 30.
lfc1971 • May 13, 2015 9:18 AM BST
Facts is correct on this one.
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FFS are you trying to break the internet LFC?
I haev to agree with the OP. The tories aren't exactly "hurting" at the moment are they, that begins next time they lose something.
What bugs ME is they sing "three lions" and not "three lions passant guardant", it's just sloppy lyrics.
Facts is correct on this one.
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FFS are you trying to break the internet LFC?
I haev to agree with the OP. The tories aren't exactly "hurting" at the moment are they, that begins next time they lose something.
What bugs ME is they sing "three lions" and not "three lions passant guardant", it's just sloppy lyrics.
Best England team was the 1970 one not the 1966 one, they really should have made the final before obviously losing to the master class that was Brazil.
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