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Taken from a website called Infernal Machine
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perhaps this will sum things up for you further then, alun.
This result was a shock and it feels sort of different, as if something has ended. Any chance of social justice certainly has and it's hard to see how there'll be a Labour gov't ever again. I wish the above piece could be reproduced in every paper just so the thick, backward, ignorant, selfish dickheads who voted for them are aware of just what they've done and how it makes so many people feel. |
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Lets hope people take to the streets and fight for justice before they're trampled into the dust further.
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People arent intesrested in polcies, or left right. Its too complicated for them, its the economy & the person giving the pitch, thats it
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Did the website perchance question why voters in masses utterly rejected a Party that bowed to Islam by staging a Segregated Meeting in the British Midlands, and a Leader who inexplicably made it his business to stage a Summit Meeting with and get the endorsement of, the toxic Russell Brand?
Such blindingly obvious catastrophic misjudgements certainly can't have helped Labour in the last days of the campaign, and Undecideds clearly didn't like what they saw. |
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There was graphic doing the rounds on twitter, the correlation between coal fields and labour seats in england. If people were engaged in politics their voting behaviour would not be linked to if they are in a constituency that is geologically rich in coal, imo
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The most worrying aspect of this is that the Tories now have carte blanche to do everything (and more) of the same that they have done for the last 5 years..
Some won't be worried of course, but the ones who were 'undecided' may soon wish they didn't vote at all.. |
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Looks like someone's not happy about having their benefits cut
![]() Why can't these soapy left wing twaats accept the clear election result..the people of England have spoken and I am proud of it ![]() |
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The media always scare people about Tory cuts in welfare or NHS privatization. It wont be half as dramatic as people would have you believe.
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Think the Tories might have more trouble controlling their own backbenchers more than the lib dems
ukip taken over their mantle of wasted pointless protest vote |
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The Trussell Trust who run a lot of food banks are in financial terms just under a £5 million a year organisation.
They are claiming they provided over 1 million people with 3 days food in the last year. You won't get that sort of value from a government agency. If you had to channel that sort of crisis help through the public sector either through preventing needing food banks, or providing them, then it would cost a spunkmultiple of that. Shortly the Trussell Trust will open 'fuel banks' - where you can get your electricity and gas paid for. This is a pilot for 3 months only, the warmest 3 months, just to test the waters so to speak. Who's out of touch in this story - Ed Miliband who thought a price freeze is what people on payment cards need. People are on payment cards for a reason, because they've got form for not paying their bills. About half a million households self-disconnect every year from what I can gather. They don't want a price freeze worth a few % if that. They want either free money or free fuel right now. And the State isn't going to help them on that, but free-market philanthropy will. |
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Tony's Broke again I see.
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Any plans to extend the fuel bank so I can fill up the Jag Bongo?
Every little helps. |
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What a load of painfully chip on the shoulder verbose toss that is, throwing the rattle right out of the pram in a 100,000 word rant - by some Guardian reading arts student who likes Russell Brand I presume?
It was nothing to do with cowardice, it's that Miliband and his cabinet were wonkers without a clue who ran a sh1t campaign and who looked like they'd be a crap choice. Labour are now falling over themselves to say that, they are coming out of the woodwork in droves to say it. And people in the rest of the UK don't want the country damaged and the recovery curtailed by a deal with the "progressive" morons in the SNP. People are shocked that some 20 year old left wing student activist has been elected, I'd be ashamed to have her represent me. Maybe another 20 year old left wing student won't see it that way.. Whenever I read sh*t like the above it just makes me think it must be a wonderful result. Maybe they should go vent their spleen with some spray paint on a war memorial.. |
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Oh the bitterness!!!
ps - a serious question - how many die of starvation each year. I can believe a few single very old people might because of their circumstances - although some are more likely to die of cold. But anyone ever seen any stats on this?? |
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[img]http://images.onesite.com/community.betfair.com/user/coachbuster/09b63e110186ac218bc1ea79f684a0df.jpg?v=134700[/img]
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he's one who won't starve or even be affected by the tory boys being in power coz he is one of them ha ha!!! Little does he know.
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I'll bet you a damned site more die of conditions linked to over eating than starving mobo.
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It was a serious question though. I would not be surprised that many more die from related over indulgence behaviour.
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A few may have died laughing at the thought of Ed being PM.
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Tony a seething mess.
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Tony a seething mess.
The more things change the more they stay the same. |
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What it says about Mhairi Black
what might have happened if we had had more people of her age and with her passion and commitment down here in darkest England. You have and you get riots. |
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That article was embarrassing even by the standards of a typical Guardian writer. God help any kids who receive lectures like that.
In complete denial of the issues that have caused the British public to utterly reject Labour. Funnily enough, Labour politicians and voters are now running around like headless chickens suddenly remembering they never like Ed Miliband or his policies anyway. |
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There's no way to get the figures for you mobo - malnutrition, dehydration or more likely disease will get you first. If you go back as far as the 10 hunger strikers of 1981 their cause of death was given as 'self-imposed starvation'. A less considerate pathologist could have recorded it as suicide.
You'd be very unlikely to find starvation recorded in the UK since then imv. |
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As it stands The ballot box in the UK is Finnish , Labour are Finnish ,we wait to see the re-action of people to these proposed welfare cuts ,I have a feeling things will get a little bit ugly in certain parts of the country ..
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If Labour react intelligently the ywill recover andtake the 2020 election. Shifting violently left will only leave them in opposition for another decade. Mandelsson (the hatefigure but sharp) or Livingstone or Toynbee (rhetoric but stupid), what will it be ?
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Someone posts another article on another thread and I liked this quote:
"The Left, despite its love of hurt feelings over facts, has always had a likability problem. Left-wing activists are often seen as petulant, hateful, childish people, with some justification" When you read the post at the top of this thread or .. everywhere else (and this forum), that's so accurate. Is there a better description of Alias than "petulant, hateful, childish"? ![]() |
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Tree I cannot see how they can possibly win an Election without winning seats in Scotland ,maybe I am reading it wrong
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Looks like 2000 jobs gone at whistl an alternative private postal company ,luckily enough be no redundancy to paid as most on a zero hours contract ,are these the Jobs that the Tories claim to have created
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The country will carry on the same way as it has for the last 100 years.
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Since 1381 actually..
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The strange thing is Just Checking that whilst we have one or two exceptions and all the best comedians supposedly come from the left but it strikes me that so many of them on here are infected with a joylessness and dreariness which seems to seep into their very bones.
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The system is designed to be mightily unfair the result is what we have it was designed by Thatcherite thinkers
but it wassn't her idea ..but the end result is extremes of wealth dislocation between people and a society that is not cohesive |
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Basically we are back to tit for tat politics, where the party in power only looks after their own interests and kicks everyone else in the nuts.
It is by far and away the main reason Britain is in the state it is in today, think Thatcher think Tony Blair. Total @rseholes who wrecked this country just to get one over the opposition. |
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Brown killed off the Labour party chances of winning an election when he played the class card and Milipede was too stupid to move away from that. Entirely understandable,if unpleasant, that Cameron should play to his catchment group but he does make more effort than Labour to resist that.
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Can't believe the Guardian deigned to print such a ridiculous article. This country needs a short sharp shock and hopefully it'll soon be coming and the work shy and scrounges will either have to adapt or ...
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Peter Watt former general secretary of the Labour party, writing after defeat in 2010. Lessons haven't been learned...
There is an arrogance at the heart of our politics that is going to make it difficult to really understand why we lost. It is an arrogance that says that we alone own morality and that we alone want the best for people. It says that our instincts and our motives alone are pure. It’s an arrogance that belittles others’ fears and concerns as “isms” whilst raising ours as righteous. We then mistakenly define ourselves as being distinctive from our opponents because we are morally superior rather than because we have different diagnoses and solutions. It is lazy, wrong and politically dangerous. If you think that I am being harsh, just think about what we say about our opponents. We assume that they are all in it for themselves, that they are indifferent to the suffering of others. In fact, that they are quite happy to induce more suffering if it suits their malign ends. What we don’t think is that they may want the same things as us, but just have a different approach. Instead, we cast high-minded aspersions on their morality and humanity. Take the example of welfare policy. Listen to Labour and the assumption is that IDS wants to punish the poor, somehow that he gets off on increasing vulnerable people’s suffering. What we don’t think is that he wants to improve the lives of the poor but just doesn’t think that the current incarnation of the welfare state is the best way to achieve this. And yet, much of his programme is familiar to the last (Labour) government. Presumably our motives were pure, though. What about the heinous charge that they want to “ideologically shrink” the size of the state. We, of course, want to use the state to do good things for people. Their wanting to shrink it clearly indicates that they don’t want to do good things for people. Clearly, therefore, they are morally bankrupt. Well, perhaps not. Maybe they think that over-taxing people is wrong and that an over-reaching state is in itself bad for the same people that we want to help? I am not saying that I necessarily agree, but I am saying that it is a perfectly valid view and one that is not intrinsically immoral. But does it matter? Well, yes, I think that it does. Because our arrogance has the effect of stopping us listening. In fact, it is worse than that: we think that we are listening when many voters know that we are not. If we are honest, all too often we do believe that our version of the world is not just better than anyone else’s, but also more moral and in fact just plain right. It makes us believe that if people don’t agree with us then they are either less moral or need educating. Possibly both. It is how we dismiss the opinion polls which show people being concerned about things that we would rather they weren’t, like immigration and welfare abuse. We often don’t hear these concerns even when we say that we do. Our sense of moral outrage at the perceived underlying prejudice overrides all. I have heard people say that “we shouldn’t pander to people; we should be prepared to put them right”. Of course. I am sure that people will vote for us gratefully once we have put them right. That’s just what people have been waiting for. Really hearing these concerns doesn’t mean that we should accept the unacceptable. But it does mean that we have to be humble enough to accept that we do not exclusively own truth and morality. Not all of people’s hopes and aspirations may chime with our rigid moral code. And, increasingly, voters are less tribal in their political allegiances. In fact, most people are probably not even habitual voters for a single party, never mind being tribal. If we are really to connect with enough voters (such that they vote for us in winning numbers at the next general election), then we will have to find ways of understanding their moral sense of the world. We can’t just condemn or patronise everyone as not understanding just because they say or feel things with which we don’t agree. Of course, we have values of social justice that guide us, and our values don’t change. But that doesn’t mean that other people don’t also care about social justice and that they may come to different conclusions. If we put aside our moral arrogance then we might just find that we have much in common with them and them with us. That may well be the beginning of understanding why we lost. On the other hand, we could just remain in opposition, happy with our own sense that we are right – morally at least. |