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Despite of the BBC.. it beggars belief how any right minded British indigenous person can disagree with what he said tonight.
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Like him or not, he is the only one being straight.
British public have never liked the truth
British public have never liked the truth
Did anybody say how they are going to deal with muslim extremism in the UK?
I thought Niggel rather unwise to insult the studio audience.. not his best day by any measure.
Nicola won, Ed. 2nd, Niggel 3rd.. and were there any others?
Nicola won, Ed. 2nd, Niggel 3rd.. and were there any others?
I thought Niggel rather unwise to insult the studio audience..WHY SO IVOR?
why do you ask me such a difficult question this late in the evening?
.. Ida thought better to keep them onside with the occasional chap and clear may help a few of the home guard warm to him also.
.. Ida thought better to keep them onside with the occasional chap and clear may help a few of the home guard warm to him also.
^^^^^^What a cop out......Ivor how can Nicola WIN!!!! when it comes to the ballot box she's not on the cant, she is in Scotland, in case you are confused
What exactly do you think this media driven dross will do in changing INFORMED voters ballot decisions. As for the uninformed, well they outnumber all of us, so none of this sh1te on this GAMBLING FORUM, will count for anything.
What exactly do you think this media driven dross will do in changing INFORMED voters ballot decisions. As for the uninformed, well they outnumber all of us, so none of this sh1te on this GAMBLING FORUM, will count for anything.
Farage showed his bravery by tackling the audience.
He knew they are a London audience not an English audience,he knew they would hate an English patriot.
He was right.
He knew they are a London audience not an English audience,he knew they would hate an English patriot.
He was right.
We are talking about the standard of presentation in a debate.. and Nicola has been consistently strong drawing much audience support. I don't agree with a singel word she says - but she does present it well!
facts ... THINKS PEOPLE SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS....unless theyre lovies of course
You can speak your minds - it's just that I sometimes don't agree with you . That's alright isn't it ? 
twizzle22 I'm sorry, I retract, remove, extinguish, obliterate, that remark, please forgive me. 
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Ivor so the "Standards" of presentation take precedence over the message, Jesus H, God help us...... Assuming there is a God 
Regarding Farage I'm no fan, but I thought it was interesting the lack of applause he got.
Maybe because he insulted the audience early on - or he was right regarding who was invited?
Maybe because he insulted the audience early on - or he was right regarding who was invited?
Apr 16, 2015 -- 10:17PM, twizzle22 wrote:
foxy..no...REPORTED
I deserve it. 
For the porpoises of tonight yes.. unless you heard or learnt something never before said, and that said by peeps NONE of which I can vote for!
Ivor, bigger picture has no meaning to you???? you take each utterance in isolation with no reference to the overall implications for all of us??. You really are a Media sucker, aren't you.
people always see what they want to see.
Which is why these debates are a waste of time.
Which is why these debates are a waste of time.
I'm far right wing.. nothing any leftie ever says is ever going to change that FACT!
I watch for the entertainment value only.. my vote is always 'waisted' where I live :(
I watch for the entertainment value only.. my vote is always 'waisted' where I live :(
Fair enough Ivor, great to talk to you BTW, we are not so far apart, anyway, GL to you Hope we see out our days in something like the the country we both love. All the best, keep well and winning.
..and I'm delighted your future propects have been improved by legislation 
Nigel used the audience (which he knew was aganst him)in order to appeal to the tv audience (i.e the many)
Ivor I never had you down as an ungracious type. Hopefully this is an oversight. Anyway, good luck to you. be lucky and be kind to yourself, and no I'm not trying to be facetious. GL and be prosperous, If I don't succeed then maybe you will.
Insulting the studio audience was no big thing as Nigel was only drawing their obvious bias to the attention of the viewers.
As regards the question Nicola asked Ed. Would he prefer to let the Tories back in rather than have a coalition with the SNP.
Very simple Nicola. Firstly neither Labour or the Tories would ever agree to a coalition with any party who's sole aim is to split up the country.
And secondly if that's your only aim, ie not to see the Tories being re-elected, why don't you tell voters to vote Labour.
As regards the question Nicola asked Ed. Would he prefer to let the Tories back in rather than have a coalition with the SNP.
Very simple Nicola. Firstly neither Labour or the Tories would ever agree to a coalition with any party who's sole aim is to split up the country.
And secondly if that's your only aim, ie not to see the Tories being re-elected, why don't you tell voters to vote Labour.
akie..she told the ENGLISH voters to keep posh dave and his public school chums out
ie. vote labour.
ie. vote labour.
No she didn't. She's told the Welsh to vote Plaid Cymru and the English to vote for the Greens.
That was the reason for Mili's comment.
That was the reason for Mili's comment.
Nicola Sturgeon has urged people in England to vote either for the Green Party or for a Labour candidate that would challenge Ed Miliband from the left.
The SNP leader and Scottish first minister said that while it was not for her to tell the English how to vote, she hoped the general election in May would produce a "progressive alliance" across the UK that could keep David Cameron out of power.
In a speech at the LSE in London on Monday, Sturgeon repeated her prediction that a formal SNP-Labour coalition was "highly unlikely". The Scottish nationalists, who with the aid of a huge surge in support are on course to become the third biggest party in the Commons, are more likely to support a minority Labour government on a case-by-case basis.
[i]
Sturgeon said she could imagine working with Miliband on a "looser arrangement" than a coalition in order to "lock the Tories out of government".
Asked who people in England should vote for, Sturgeon said: "If you live in Wales I'd advise vote Plaid Cymru, if you live in England I think there is an argument for voting Green."[/i]
Can't get the link to work but this is a straight lift from the article.
The SNP leader and Scottish first minister said that while it was not for her to tell the English how to vote, she hoped the general election in May would produce a "progressive alliance" across the UK that could keep David Cameron out of power.
In a speech at the LSE in London on Monday, Sturgeon repeated her prediction that a formal SNP-Labour coalition was "highly unlikely". The Scottish nationalists, who with the aid of a huge surge in support are on course to become the third biggest party in the Commons, are more likely to support a minority Labour government on a case-by-case basis.
[i]
Sturgeon said she could imagine working with Miliband on a "looser arrangement" than a coalition in order to "lock the Tories out of government".
Asked who people in England should vote for, Sturgeon said: "If you live in Wales I'd advise vote Plaid Cymru, if you live in England I think there is an argument for voting Green."[/i]
Can't get the link to work but this is a straight lift from the article.
sofia
She is in favour of a grand coalition of the nutters.
She is in favour of a grand coalition of the nutters.
If it were possible, I'd laugh my head off if there was a coalition between the SNP, UKIP, Plaid Green, Lib-Dems and anybody else needed except the big 2.
This place would facking explode.
This place would facking explode.
rogerthebutler 16 Apr 15 22:20
Regarding Farage I'm no fan, but I thought it was interesting the lack of applause he got.
Maybe because he insulted the audience early on - or he was right regarding who was invited?
Or, just maybe........it was because he talked complete b@ll@cks.
Regarding Farage I'm no fan, but I thought it was interesting the lack of applause he got.
Maybe because he insulted the audience early on - or he was right regarding who was invited?
Or, just maybe........it was because he talked complete b@ll@cks.
Apr 16, 2015 -- 9:45PM, spellingandgrammarchecker wrote:
Did anybody say how they are going to deal with muslim extremism in the UK?
norway (more liberal than us) have just deported 824 muslims with links to extremist groups
would that ever happen here no way unless there was a major atrocity and i mean thousands killed
Facts
17 Apr 15 01:29
Or, just maybe........it was because he talked complete b@ll@cks
Pot
kettle
black
17 Apr 15 01:29
Or, just maybe........it was because he talked complete b@ll@cks
Pot
kettle
black
Facts seething as he had patented the right to speak b@ll@cks.
She didn`t tell the English to vote for the Greens, she said "if you live in England I think there is an argument for voting Green" as you confirmed. Big difference.
So she was telling them not to vote for the Green party?
Yes that makes sense.
So what is the 'big difference' mac.
Yes that makes sense.
So what is the 'big difference' mac.
spellingandgrammarchecker 17 Apr 15 01:03
If it were possible, I'd laugh my head off if there was a coalition between the SNP, UKIP, Plaid Green, Lib-Dems and anybody else needed except the big 2
There's as much chance of this happening, as there is of you achieving credibility.
If it were possible, I'd laugh my head off if there was a coalition between the SNP, UKIP, Plaid Green, Lib-Dems and anybody else needed except the big 2
There's as much chance of this happening, as there is of you achieving credibility.
A big difference. She didn`t tell them to do either. You said that she categorically told them to vote for the Greens then posted her comments which clearly contradicted your statement.
Are there still any human tragedies out there who think that the phrase 'Bongo Bongo Land' is racist?
She has suggested they vote for the Green Party. No big difference really unless you are pedantic to a fault.
BTW that's how desperate she is to get a power hold down south. TF that Miliband and Cameron are wise to her.
BTW that's how desperate she is to get a power hold down south. TF that Miliband and Cameron are wise to her.
Anyways getting back to the original point why would she suggest that people vote for the Greens if her sole aim is to get rid of the Tories?
Why not suggest they vote for Labour as we know it's between those two to have most seats?
Why not suggest they vote for Labour as we know it's between those two to have most seats?
The big difference is you attributed comments to her that she didn`t make.
Facts
17 Apr 15 01:37
There's as much chance of this happening, as there is of you achieving credibility.
Hark at you - credibility.
Scared to take me on in a quiz.
Did your divorce destroy your testosterone levels?
17 Apr 15 01:37
There's as much chance of this happening, as there is of you achieving credibility.
Hark at you - credibility.
Scared to take me on in a quiz.
Did your divorce destroy your testosterone levels?
Aka, Milliband will be jumping over Hadrian`s Wall to make a pact with SNP if needed to get in power.
No, if you are going to debate, get your facts right
No he won't because Sturgeon will be looking for too much.
Yep, if all the people didn't waste their vote by voting for greens,Snp or Farage, and voted Labour instead, there would be no risk of a coalition government.
Labour betrayed us and they will be rewarded in the Election.
Facts we had a chance to get rid of the Tories for good and I would bet 1.01 that if you were Scottish and had the same chance to get rid of them for eternity you would have voted YES for independence too.
Be a luvvie and vote for labour
get an immigrant for a neighbour.
They said that was racist.
It was true.
get an immigrant for a neighbour.
They said that was racist.
It was true.
Betrayed who?
Look at the price of oil and imagine the hole in Scotland's budget if we had got independence.
Labour along with the 62% of the electorate who didn't vote for independence saved us.
About time this was recognised and a statue erected to commemorate this.
We played our part.
Look at the price of oil and imagine the hole in Scotland's budget if we had got independence.
Labour along with the 62% of the electorate who didn't vote for independence saved us.
About time this was recognised and a statue erected to commemorate this.
We played our part.
'Vote Labour, Get Rotherham' should be the slogan of EVERY other party at this Election.
By betrayal I mean in Scotland, to save the Labour party down south and I`m afraid it`s backfired and that`s a fact.
aka, your vote won`t even count in the Election as you despise both Labour and SNP.
What a reason to vote for independence. Get rid of the Tories.
FFS the worst governments in recent times have been the two Bs and they were not only Labour but Scottish.
BTW this current government have put £900 into the pockets of the lowest paid workers since coming to power.
FFS the worst governments in recent times have been the two Bs and they were not only Labour but Scottish.
BTW this current government have put £900 into the pockets of the lowest paid workers since coming to power.
I don't despise Labour although you are right regarding the SNP.
I voted Lib/Dem and thought they did a fair job.
I voted Lib/Dem and thought they did a fair job.
akabula 17 Apr 15 02:03
What a reason to vote for independence. Get rid of the Tories.
FFS the worst governments in recent times have been the two Bs and they were not only Labour but Scottish.
BTW this current government have put £900 into the pockets of the lowest paid workers since coming to power.
Actually , the real figure is £1600 worse off.
What a reason to vote for independence. Get rid of the Tories.
FFS the worst governments in recent times have been the two Bs and they were not only Labour but Scottish.
BTW this current government have put £900 into the pockets of the lowest paid workers since coming to power.
Actually , the real figure is £1600 worse off.
On the current voting system a LIB DEM vote in Lothian region is a wasted vote.
@Facts how do you arrive at that figure.
@mac I'm not from Lothian but taking you up on it being a wasted vote why would Nicola suggest the English waste their votes by voting Green?
@mac I'm not from Lothian but taking you up on it being a wasted vote why would Nicola suggest the English waste their votes by voting Green?
If that is the case then aka, and your candidate was elected I apologise.
aka
'.............But these claims about Osborne’s success deserve a closer look.
As the stories note, Labour’s claim that people are £1,600 worse off in 2015 than in 2010 is based on data from a few months ago, and uses the Retail Price Index to measure inflation, rather than the Consumer Price Index or the RPIJ.
But as this graph from Full Fact demonstrates, whichever measure you use on average people will be worse off than in 2010 by at least £900.
On the other hand, the IFS says Osbone’s claim that people are £900 better off is based on net incomes, rather than gross earnings. Comparing the claims of the two parties, Mr Johnson said:
“As ever there is much truth in both numbers. Real earnings have fallen, as Mr Miliband says. Real incomes should be above their 2010 level as Mr Osborne says.
“We are for sure much worse off on average than we could reasonably have expected to be back in 2007 or indeed back in 2010.“
'.............But these claims about Osborne’s success deserve a closer look.
As the stories note, Labour’s claim that people are £1,600 worse off in 2015 than in 2010 is based on data from a few months ago, and uses the Retail Price Index to measure inflation, rather than the Consumer Price Index or the RPIJ.
But as this graph from Full Fact demonstrates, whichever measure you use on average people will be worse off than in 2010 by at least £900.
On the other hand, the IFS says Osbone’s claim that people are £900 better off is based on net incomes, rather than gross earnings. Comparing the claims of the two parties, Mr Johnson said:
“As ever there is much truth in both numbers. Real earnings have fallen, as Mr Miliband says. Real incomes should be above their 2010 level as Mr Osborne says.
“We are for sure much worse off on average than we could reasonably have expected to be back in 2007 or indeed back in 2010.“
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Just shows you the big change in Scottish politics when one can get 8/11 on Charlie the Liberal - a 1/20 shot in previous elections
Despite that Facts I would still say that the lower paid are better off because of the constant rises in the tax threshold.
I know everyone gains purely from that but for the lower paid it's a reasonable added %age to their net income.
I know everyone gains purely from that but for the lower paid it's a reasonable added %age to their net income.
tbh I like him but an under achiever due to .............. lifestyle.
8/11 on a guy with a 14,000 majority the last 2 elections
.... the Pendulum has swung
.... the Pendulum has swung
Facts
17 Apr 15 01:29 rogerthebutler 16 Apr 15 22:20
Regarding Farage I'm no fan, but I thought it was interesting the lack of applause he got.
Maybe because he insulted the audience early on - or he was right regarding who was invited?
Or, just maybe........it was because he talked complete b@ll@cks.
Well, he pretty much stuck to the UKIP manifesto line, even highlighting their taxation policy (which I doubt he personally agrees with).
Now you may still say that's complete bo11ocks, but it's 'complete bo11ocks' that one would think a proportion of the audience were prepared to believe in and support, if they were selected according to proposed voting patterns as Dimbleby rather vehemently argued.
17 Apr 15 01:29 rogerthebutler 16 Apr 15 22:20
Regarding Farage I'm no fan, but I thought it was interesting the lack of applause he got.
Maybe because he insulted the audience early on - or he was right regarding who was invited?
Or, just maybe........it was because he talked complete b@ll@cks.
Well, he pretty much stuck to the UKIP manifesto line, even highlighting their taxation policy (which I doubt he personally agrees with).
Now you may still say that's complete bo11ocks, but it's 'complete bo11ocks' that one would think a proportion of the audience were prepared to believe in and support, if they were selected according to proposed voting patterns as Dimbleby rather vehemently argued.
what i found last night (yes i watched it late after a few drinks)
Farage would say something then get attacked by the women
then in the next answer the women said what he had just said with a slightly different spin on it
Farage would say something then get attacked by the women
then in the next answer the women said what he had just said with a slightly different spin on it
Why are the media suddenly bigging up the snp, why now they are still saying the same things as always, yet suddenly they are in the limelight south of the border?
osborne is an idiot.
i was earning 28k in 2006
in 2012 the same job was on average earning 25k.
i was earning 28k in 2006
in 2012 the same job was on average earning 25k.
macarony
17 Apr 15 08:49
Why are the media suddenly bigging up the snp, why now they are still saying the same things as always, yet suddenly they are in the limelight south of the border?
I think they're more going to town on the ultra impressive display in the debates by Nicola Sturgeon.
Agree with her or not (the more you dig the less there is to like) but she can think on her feet, will not be cowed and is more on top of her brief than anyone else in these TV debates, where she looks entirely at home
17 Apr 15 08:49
Why are the media suddenly bigging up the snp, why now they are still saying the same things as always, yet suddenly they are in the limelight south of the border?
I think they're more going to town on the ultra impressive display in the debates by Nicola Sturgeon.
Agree with her or not (the more you dig the less there is to like) but she can think on her feet, will not be cowed and is more on top of her brief than anyone else in these TV debates, where she looks entirely at home
I disagree ,its nothing we haven’t seen or heard before from her, yet the media are trying to make out its new fresh and relevant.
What they are trying to do is put place her in a positive light in order to take the focus off UKIP, but it’s a very dangerous game they are playing, especially for the leftwing they will have the most to lose when Scotland gets independence.
What they are trying to do is put place her in a positive light in order to take the focus off UKIP, but it’s a very dangerous game they are playing, especially for the leftwing they will have the most to lose when Scotland gets independence.
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The media's kid glove approach to Sturgeon is confusing.
She wants to get into Westminster, then do all she can for Scotland whilst she's there, then hold another vote for independence (and keep doing so until she wins), then bog off.
She will bring zero long term strategy or planning to the future of the rest of the Uk.
Nigel's 'tail wagging the dog' comment was of course bullseye.
She wants to get into Westminster, then do all she can for Scotland whilst she's there, then hold another vote for independence (and keep doing so until she wins), then bog off.
She will bring zero long term strategy or planning to the future of the rest of the Uk.
Nigel's 'tail wagging the dog' comment was of course bullseye.
Not only bullseye but very worrying. What is Ed going to have to give her to get her on his side.
Anyways she'll show herself up to be the clueless hypocrite she is if she does a deal without Trident being involved.
Anyways she'll show herself up to be the clueless hypocrite she is if she does a deal without Trident being involved.
Never thought I would say this but I sort of feel sorry for Milliband, he is trying his best not to fall into a well planned trap by the snp and the torys to give the Scots independence.
This will make the torys invincible in England, with the added bonus portraying Labour as the party that broke the union, and I think that will finish Labour off.
This will make the torys invincible in England, with the added bonus portraying Labour as the party that broke the union, and I think that will finish Labour off.
hope you've had some of the 45/1 on offer then for a Labour majority
hard to believe that a large % of floating voters the sort that decide elections won't be absolutely terrified by the prospect of miliband being bossed around by sturgeon
not really showing in the polls so far though
not really showing in the polls so far though
Burton-Brewers 18 Apr 15 18:57
hope you've had some of the 45/1 on offer then for a Labour majority
Nope. Took some of the 55/1 though
hope you've had some of the 45/1 on offer then for a Labour majority
Nope. Took some of the 55/1 though
Many can get up on the stand and shout loud and sound good promising all to all. But then many still do.
Two parties have lied to us for 20 years and still getting away with it. Supported by such people as Facts. He certainly doesn't want to see any change.
Scary isn't it.
Two parties have lied to us for 20 years and still getting away with it. Supported by such people as Facts. He certainly doesn't want to see any change.
Scary isn't it.
What do you want. - UKIP. That's not scary that's fcking imbecilic
You took 55-1 that Labour would have a majority Facts? Seriously? Oh my. Would you like to buy a bridge?
By the way do you know the difference between net and gross when it comes to earnings
If so why on earth do you think people would be interested in the gross figure and why do you quote it?
By the way do you know the difference between net and gross when it comes to earnings
If so why on earth do you think people would be interested in the gross figure and why do you quote it?
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