plane crash in french alps

The White House says US officials have been in touch with French, German and Spanish officials to offer assistance. In a statement, US National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan says there is no indication the crash was the result of terrorism.

The White House says US officials have been in touch with French, German and Spanish officials to offer assistance. In a statement, US National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan says there is no indication the crash was the result of terrorism.

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dark forces

Taking a long haul flight next week on an airbus and seriously shytting myself 

Come on, you've got a 60/40 chance of getting away scott free !

If your name is on the list the odds against it happening means nothing.

Tip - book a seat near the back of the plane.

...knew I could rely on the chit chatters for some positive thoughts

What? With all the riff-raff!?

if it's going to fall at up to 5000 ft per min and crash into a rock at 400 mph i doubt the location of your seat will make fck all difference

gawdalmighty - a million to one chance mate ,more chance  of meeting your maker on the way to the airport

Why was it flying over the alps.

24 years old.

Perhaps the propeller came off.

Seems odd not taking a direct route.


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Airbus 320 ,around 140 on board ,takes off from Barcelona at 9.00 bound for Dusseldorf ,climbs to cruise around 38k feet and then just after 9:30 starts a rapid but from what i can gather a fairly   controlled decent ,this continues for about  10 mins ,plane levels off for a few mins below 10k before further descending into terrain ,the alps  .Wreckage strewn over a fairly big area but mostly in a snow free valley ,reported that no emergency freq squawk was made .Black boxes recovered apparently but unconfirmed.
nothing untoward reported so far and suspicion of decompression and suspected hypoxia ...but just conjecture .

RIP the dead .

Dr Crippen     24 Mar 15 18:00 
24 years old.

Perhaps the propeller came off.



Bad taste

Seems odd not taking a direct route.

Planes often don't take what appears to be the most direct route. Mainly due to a combination of things such as the amount of air traffic that's up there at any one time, to take advantage of jet streams and wind directions and geometric considerations to reflect the earth is curved though that applies more to long haul flights I believe.

just to add there was a distress call ,but not an emergency squawk ,although debatable where an emergency squawk is on the list if you have an  real emergency.

Snow due in the region tonight will make recovery hard to impossible .

reported nothing untoward or unusual with route .

Oh look, Facts is stalking me.

I wonder where I've upset him?

Don't flatter yourself. I tend to respond to any crass statement

Anyway Facts, it wasn't poor taste at all.
I was making a point.

I tend to respond to any crass statement

Then what about this:

The Leopard
 
Ejector seats

Why single my post out for attention if you're not stalking me?

Facts in a tizzy straight away.

Go away you big child and bore someone else with your nonsense.

You seem to be the one making the fuss pal

Is that a white flag?

there wasn't a distress call from the plane according to the press conference, and it never levelled off, it dropped until it hit the mountain

Terrible tragedy..r.i.p.

All dead in the air ?

no survivors

Seen this on the TV like most people today.
Im no expert but have noticed something about the tv pictures which has got me thinking.
The Helicopters have been sending pictures back from the crash scene.
these are getting sent back within a few hours of the crash.
Nothing is burning or no signs of ny smoke.
Could it have run out of fuel ?

But it's up a mountain side in winter which appeared remarkably snow free, which may indicate the snow was burned off?

1830 perhaps you are right.

The pilots did not send a distress signal, so you would say they thought they had it under control. The descent was only twice the normal descent speed so the plane would have been in the pilots grip up until about 6,000ft when it lost contact with air traffic controllers. Then it dropped.

They may have thought a fuel blockage may correct itself but would it really be running on empty?

Would have had to have been a pretty horrendous miscalculation for fuel to have run out less than halfway through a flight.

Perhaps it was losing fuel in flight?

Pilots wouldn't just take it upon themselves to descend without letting ground authorities know what they were up to though. There's other air traffic to think about.

If there was an issue with fuel meaning they needed to gradually bring the plane down they'd have asked for details of the nearest airport or something.

The apparent lack of communication suggests hypoxia as the most likely reason but it's all speculation right now.

Hypoxia was my first guess but was just adding to the fuel theory Marcce.

They have found the black box, so the tale should be revealed

Whatever the cause I hope they find out pretty sharpish.

I fly in that direction quite frequently. While people around me are oohing and ahhing about how pretty it is flying over the Alps I'm always thinking just hurry up and get the feck over the things in the knowledge that any emergency descent won't leave much room to spare over the peaks of some of them.

also reports (unconfirmed ) that there was a military jet escorting flight  ,seems it had just reached its max cruise altitude 38k ft  when it started descent .
Flight was delayed for 1/2 hr and it seems no satisfactory explanation has been forthcoming ,also plane was grounded yesterday with a defective door .
All pointing to a decompression incident imo


Elise ..yea a misread the data ,was looking at the flight graphs and it appears level when in fact it was the end of the flight

there was some confusion about whether a mayday or distress call or transponder  had been flicked to emergency was made ,there was another flight which was shifted by air traffic control as they were getting no replies and a jet would have been scrambled ,it squawked when it was moving and the jet was squawking as well ,i also believe there was other military aircraft in the air and this was  all standard procedure ,they knew there was a problem early quickly
Black box will confirm if a decompression was the cause ,of course it could be other things ,a decompress followed by o2 equipment failure malfunction ,fire ,smoke ,ect ect ect
of course nothing will be ruled out ,not sure but a think the box recovered  earlier was the cvr (voice recorder) ,so unsure if they now have the FDR yet but i would think they will and we will know the facts shortly .

there are still a few probs with the theories but all will become clear soon ,hopefully .

Absolutely horrendous.. Having previously flown a lot on business it was always ones worst nightmare. Unimaginable scenes on board before crash. Poor poor people. RIP.

at 38k feet it would be over very quickly Facts ,although something doesn't quite seem right as they had a controlled decent but maybe just had time to set a altitude and nothing else ,unsure not a pilot but below is a rapid high altitude rapid decompress  simulation ,all hap very quick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Efvl6AwILo

i agree it feels like a decompression, they got on oxygen, started a decent but maybe as in that greek crash they passed out and just flew on into the hill in a steady descent

if you watch the heading from when they cross the coast there are no turns, if it were engine failure or fuel they would have gone for the coast rather than heading towards the alps

i guess someone could have done it on purpose either one of the crew or a passenger as an alternative

just to add it's about 80 miles from when they start the drop until impact on the same heading

BBC newsman said after radio contact was broken it all went wrong in just 8 minutes.

Perhaps he hasn't worked out that 8 minutes at roughly 500 mph is 70 miles.

The Chinese have built Hechi airport on mountain tops.

I don't think there was enough fuel to get to China.

would passengers know they were going to die

There are no signs a German plane crash in France was the result of terrorism, the White House said Tuesday.

There are no signs a German plane crash in France was the result of poor maintenance, I said Wednesday.



Strange the worlds media reported the first statement ?

breadnbutter     24 Mar 15 22:30 
at 38k feet it would be over very quickly Facts ,although something doesn't quite seem right as they had a controlled decent but maybe just had time to set a altitude and nothing else ,unsure not a pilot but below is a rapid high altitude rapid decompress  simulation ,all hap very quick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Efvl6AwILo



So would there have had to have been an explosion on board to cause a hole in the fuselage ?

tt

doesn't have to be an explosion, could have been something like a window failure especially cockpit window, at 38000ft the temp and decompression would disable the flight crew in seconds, they may never have got on oxygen even if it worked, might have told autopilot to dive, passed out, autopilot dropped plane held course with an unconscious flight crew

The plane had just reached its peak cruise alt when it started a controlled descent suggesting that if there was a structural weakness this is when it would fail.
suspicions this is what has happened here ,although its just speculation but by now they will know if o2 masks were deployed ,were on the dead ,whether they were on the flight crew and pilot .TBH seems like a windscreen failure is being looked at ,pilot only a chance to turn alt dial way down .Only thing is this plane should have leveled off before  terrain was encountered ,but pilot needed to do a couple more things ,because it did not do so the speculation is that there was an event in the cockpit rather then elsewhere.
very sad and tragic events ,150 dead RIP .

If there was main body damage i suspect the plane would have disintegrated and wreckage would have been strewn over much further.
Reports of a severely damaged FDR .

A think we will know the full tragic details shortly

The Sun, in its infinite wisdom, reports that the plane broke up into 'two million pieces'.

An astounding piece of counting imo.

was typing as you posted elise ,did not see your post .

pilot had time to turn alt dial down ,prob just as much as he could ,if it was windshield temp would have been below -50 ,400mph wind ,no chance imo ,although i think they are unlucky because although incapacitated they could have regained capacity at lower alt ,how long that would have took though ? , the plane although on auto pilot should have leveled and some of these planes do have the ability to avoid terrain and some can even auto land although controls have to be set ,not sure if a plane could predict a mountain peak anyway
There is a possibility this  could have been oh so diff if it had happened a few mins later  and they had cleared the mountains.

of course everything is just conjecture and maybe pointless

at least they have blackbox sound recorder intact

Hopefully that will tell all xmoneyx

It shows that flying is not quite as risk free as we think, and neither is life

They were plucked out of life and that's it, very sad

One would hope the passengers were not aware of the danger and were all killed on impact, which would seem likely
most humane result

hopefully unconcious

another plane crash something is going on hopefully now they have the black box we might find out what happend

Two opera singers on board. Hope one of  them wasn't a fat lady.

^ tw@t

Two opera singers and their baby.
Life can be very cruel.

would be interesting to know what was repaired on plane the day before.

lets hope some poor divel didn't repair or replace a windscreen incorrectly.

Reuters: French air accident investigator BEA says it has successfully extracted recordings from #Germanwings cockpit voice recorder.

Was it not a door/window that was repaired the day before?

Germanwings flight's 2nd black box found but severely damaged, memory card dislodged and missing -via  @nytimes

never read that angel but would be some coincidence

It was a landing gear flap that was repaired.

#Sweden: Football team changed plans, avoided fatal crash


they must be shaken how close they were to death

Mika Mäkeläinen ‏@Mikareport  · 1m1 minute ago 
This is not yet revealed in France: Based on cockpit recordings, #Germanwings pilots were unconscious during descent

he read chit chat

Who read Chit Chat? (That was Für Elise) 

Best Beethoven Joke you'll read on Chit Chat today, or your money back!

I've been watching too many of these "air crash" shows recently, I don't know why, they don't make flying any more enjoyable that's for sure. It's like watching lots of documentaries about STDs before going on the pull...

Perhaps planes need a dead mans handle.
Say every 5 minutes they just have to press a button on the yoke and if they don't within 2 minutes, an autopilot kicks in and directs them towards the nearest large airport at a safe height, and unlocks the ability for a remote controlled landing.
Would have solved that greek one a few years ago, and possibly this?

So we have some info and its not looking good at all .

from the very start the first pilots name and  credentials were available  ,many thousands of hours  of flying experience and a huge amount on type involved but there was no mention of his co pilot ,not a dicky .....hmmm

Some flyers  insist on two in cockpit at all times but unsure about this flyer ,others allow one but he must put on oxygen mask in case of a decompression .

For the door to remain locked there must be a conscious person in cockpit ,as already stated the pilot can be heard knocking lightly and then banging and trying to break the door down .

scenarios : he has went to toilet or been distracted/lured out of the cockpit or someone has got into cockpit when he was out ,or the co pilot has locked door .

There seemed to be a lack of fire after impact, not sure the plane was fully loaded with fuel or not

there was fire ,pics of charred hillside available


the name of the co p is available ..

not being mentioned

i expect people will now be asking if the pilot who wouldn't unlock the door is a muslim

houston ....

tobermory
i expect people will now be asking if the pilot who wouldn't unlock the door is a muslim

Given recent events I think that's natural.

Muslims might take offence but the grim reality is that most atrocities of recent have been carried out by Muslim's.

whats the chances the person knocking is not shouting as well and  calling out A  name ?   

from what i understand of the A320 seating layout most of the passengers will have been watching events unfold

looks like an attempt  to gain access to cockpit  can only  be denied by  manually overriding  request from inside (electric deadlock on door ) but not 100% sure ,but sounds about right ,in otherwards if the request was not physically denied by a switch in cockpit access would be granted (basically a deadmans switch )

that would be a pretty horrific scenario with everyone conscious and seeing events unfold, poor sods

Time for pilot names to be leaked. Surprised they have not been just released anyway

I will go for a stab at a Muslim Co-Pilot, Non-Muslim Captain double.

What odds?

Elise
Agreed
Horrific scenario

Jack Hacksaw     26 Mar 15 08:27 
I will go for a stab at a Muslim Co-Pilot, Non-Muslim Captain double.

What odds?


Have some self respect ffs.

if this was political / terrorist (incl a pilot) would they not have claimed responsibility otherwise it's pointless

Muslims might take offence but the grim reality is that most atrocities of recent have been carried out by Muslim's

Muslims should take offence. That grim reality is only your reality, based on your fears and prejudices and justified by your media consumption.

It sounds as if the story about the locked cockpit door was leaked to a New York paper without the investigators' permission.  I wonder if somebody on the inside was determined that the truth wouldn't be supressed?

Muslims taking offence?  Feck me, what a surprise that would be, surely they're the most tolerant, open-minded group of people you could ever wish to meet.

torgue......you forgot peace loving

Whoever leaked this will not be popular.
Makes you wonder how long the Official Investigators would have suppressed the findings.

i don't think it would have been hidden, just prob wanting the other flight recorder and to investigate / talk to family & friends of both pilots before going public

doesn't help them if speculation turns out to be incorrect

call me a cynic, and I know the circumstances appear to be inexplicable, but I predicted to a colleague earlier today that they would blame the pilot and definitely not the plane...on the basis that Airbus´three main partners are France, Germany and Spain.

The prosecutor said that the pilot could still be heard ´breathing´ indicating that he was still conscious - do people not breathe when they´re unconscious then?

tiptheodds.........shut up

surprised this got to page 3 without mentioning the 'M' word........

[i]therhino
Muslims might take offence but the grim reality is that most atrocities of recent have been carried out by Muslim's
Muslims should take offence. That grim reality is only your reality, based on your fears and prejudices and justified by your media consumption.[/i]



Please tell me what other groups are currently responsible for terrorist attacks. You might want to peruse the following link before replying.

www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2014.htm