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Pokermonster
18 Mar 15 18:05
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An acquaintance of mine is a teacher at Harrow school.  For the past nine years he has been taking his dog, a black labrador, into the class with him.  The dog sat peacefully at the foot of his desk and had become something of a school mascot.  The pupils used to bring him treats and pat him.

Recently, however, the parent of a muslim child heard of this outrageous behaviour and complained bitterly to the board that dogs are "dirty creatures."  The result being that this lovely pet is now banished from all buildings.  Harrow!  One of the last bastions of Britishness.  What a fúcking liberty, as Gran would say.
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Report naydam March 18, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
Hmmm. Clearly, they fail to define between their own scabby, inbred, feral animals and an Englishman's trusted friend.

Come to think of it...that's quite a good analogy for the people as well!
Report mecca March 18, 2015 6:30 PM GMT
What are the odds for the child to be described as a 'Grade A Student'?
Report treetop March 18, 2015 6:33 PM GMT
Why should anyone be surprised ?
Report 11kv March 18, 2015 6:39 PM GMT
Its a scam they want to eat it....
Report akabula March 18, 2015 6:52 PM GMT
I'd put a big sign up at every port of entry into the UK.
Our Country : Our Laws : Our Values.
For good measure I'd add so FO if you don't agree. Laugh
Report Foinavon March 18, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
Surely it is wrong for an educational establishment to reinforce irrational belief.
Unfortunately the law has required all schools to do it for as long as I can remember.
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 7:03 PM GMT
Poker - How come this hasn't made the press, or is that coming?.  This isn't a friend of a friend of a friend story, is it?
Report twizzle22 March 18, 2015 7:05 PM GMT
I would banish the child not the dog.
Report fife March 18, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
Just one of those alleged true stories to upset theusual suspects on here.
Report buggsbunny March 18, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
I am lost for words
Report treetop March 18, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
The dog is probably more a victim of the attitude organisations have when just one person complains, it puts    them on the back foot in case a related problem was to occur and they fear litigation so they take the soft approach and back down.I hope the other kids knacker the brat.
Report lfc1971 March 18, 2015 7:28 PM GMT
Is it true, perhaps not, but it may be true in that it tells a story, we are a very fearful country.
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 7:28 PM GMT
If you're right fife.  It's certainly working!!  I was taking the rather less direct approachWink.
Report Wesdag March 18, 2015 7:30 PM GMT
Has this "story" been verified?
Report MisterBadger March 18, 2015 7:36 PM GMT
is the dog called becky by any chance pm?
Report mange March 18, 2015 7:37 PM GMT
Stand by Daily Mail............
Report akabula March 18, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
A very sad looking black Labrador dog has been seen in the Harrow area.
Report hitmanhearn March 18, 2015 7:42 PM GMT
Just can't see a school letting a teacher take a dogs into class.
Report terry mccann March 18, 2015 7:44 PM GMT
gran was right poker,we"ll be run out of our country one day not so far away
Report maleuk01. March 18, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
next they will insist on only halal meat only in all schools.

after that then another demand then another.

Whereas in Muslim countries such as Indonesia if you don't convert you don't get any government help etc, so communities with long histories are all told to convert or they get f all.

Yet in other so called non muslim countries they demand everything. Ignoring what muslim govts are doing to non muslims. Double standards of the extreme.
Report Wesdag March 18, 2015 7:55 PM GMT
hitmanhearn    18 Mar 15 19:42 
Just can't see a school letting a teacher take a dogs into class.


Exactly.
Sounds slightly dubious to say the least.
No health and safety concerns?
Report casemoney March 18, 2015 8:03 PM GMT
My old headmaster often brought a Dog to school no one had a problem with it ... We has none of this mob at the School
Report MisterBadger March 18, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
Harrow is a private school, if a teacher wants to take a dog into the classroom he can - the reason for my question above is that I knew a teacher there who had a dog called becky, but I don't know if he ever took her into classes or not. Unlike some of the sh1tstirrers on chitchat the OP isn't in the habit of making bullsh1t posts, I'm sure that if and when the gutter press get hold of this they will have a field day.
Report casemoney March 18, 2015 8:13 PM GMT
One Million Child Victims of Muslim Rape Gangs in the U.K.?

Perhaps if they thought more of bringing their children up not to be rapists and worried less about Dogs being dirty ,that
may the way forward ...
Report Wesdag March 18, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
Add "Black labrador chucked out of Harrow School" to the list.
Report alun2005 March 18, 2015 8:16 PM GMT
Would the complainers at Harrow have allowed the Downton Abbey dog "ISIS" to stay?
Report Howdi March 18, 2015 8:22 PM GMT
ban em ....muslims not the dog Plain
Report alun2005 March 18, 2015 8:23 PM GMT
I'm proposing a compromise. The dog can stay. but only if they change its name to "Behead Anyone Who Doesn't Like Jihadi John or says Charlie Hebdo Should Enjoy Freedom of Expression, And Definitely Anyone Who Watches 3-2-1 with Dusty Bin and Ted Rogers".

It's a little bit of a mouthful, the nomenclature more akin to a Crufts dog perhaps,  but maybe they can call him "Trixie" or something like that for brevity?

I think we'll all agree that is a common sense platform on which we can all move forward.
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 8:42 PM GMT
Just finished my supper, any evidence yet that this story has any element of truth, to avoid me scrolling down. Cheers
Report lfc1971 March 18, 2015 8:53 PM GMT
how dreadful that anyone could consider that this story may be true, should be ashamed of ourselves...
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 9:06 PM GMT
What's worrying lfc, is that your earlier post suggests that you think it doesn't really matter whether it is true or not.
Report alun2005 March 18, 2015 9:11 PM GMT
More worrying still of course are that the serious incidents posted at 20:09 are surely beyond dispute.
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 9:15 PM GMT
Very true alun, given the scrupulous and impeccable sourcing of the information.
Report MisterBadger March 18, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
More worrying still of course are that the serious incidents posted at 20:09 are surely beyond dispute.

or completely unsubstantiated
Report spellingandgrammarchecker March 18, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
Take the dog home and get a pig instead.
Report Dr Crippen March 18, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
Mister Badger, like the last one in his list.

2 Muslims run down a soldier on a London street, scream "Allahu Akbar" and butcher him in broad daylight. Claim they were "forced by the Qur'an, in Sura At-Tawba" to do what they did
Report Dr Crippen March 18, 2015 9:20 PM GMT
Take the dog home and get a pig instead.

Lol.
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 9:26 PM GMT
Dr Crippen - it's not his list!!  No one would doubt lots of the horrendous events on this list, but the list as a whole is unsubstantiated having been downloaded verbatim from the EDL Website.
Report lfc1971 March 18, 2015 9:30 PM GMT
The story may or may not be true, but it is better to be cautious and assume it is.
Report maleuk01. March 18, 2015 9:32 PM GMT
the list wasn't from the edl website. Ive never visted that site.
Report MisterBadger March 18, 2015 9:34 PM GMT
where was it from?
Report spellingandgrammarchecker March 18, 2015 9:35 PM GMT
Tower Hamlets Press Agency
Report MisterBadger March 18, 2015 9:37 PM GMT
Grin
Report Emden March 18, 2015 9:38 PM GMT
muslim council of Great Britain?
Report maleuk01. March 18, 2015 9:38 PM GMT
wikiIslam, came across it when someone told me of Mohammed's marriage to a 6 year old which I thought I would look up to see if its true, though it wasn't consummated until she was 9. (Aisha)
Report akabula March 18, 2015 9:39 PM GMT
Laugh
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 9:41 PM GMT
maleuk - You'll know where you got it from of, course so you might want to tell us!  For others, if you google any two consecutive lines from the post and you will get various versions of the source document.  A little more research from there will help further.  It took me two minutes, as I thought blimey that's a lot of work in a short time, wonder where it came from. .
Report maleuk01. March 18, 2015 9:42 PM GMT
look 2 posts up blackbarn Grin
Report akabula March 18, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
I've checked 6 out and verified 4 whilst unable to find anything on the other 2.
A few others I know to be correct and suspect that the list is genuine.
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
You type faster than me maleuk!!  So you managed to get further back than me. So not EDL, the source is that well known fount of all objective and unbiased islamic knowledge WikiIslam.  I should have known.  Any news yet on the original story?
Report Emden March 18, 2015 9:54 PM GMT
the source is that well known fount of all objective and unbiased islamic knowledge WikiIslam.  I should have known

well disprove it then if you think the list is a pile of shyte, Why should others do the work for you.

Some of the list is common knowledge to anyone that hasn't lived in a cave for the last five years
Report maleuk01. March 18, 2015 9:55 PM GMT
what are you saying isn't true blackbarn?

also the site goes into quite a lot of detail on various things.
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 10:02 PM GMT
Emden - re my post of 21.26, which bit of my "no one would doubt lots of the horrendous events on this list" did you not understand, or could you not be bothered to read the whole thread.
Report Emden March 18, 2015 10:07 PM GMT
well stop banging on about the list
Report treetop March 18, 2015 10:08 PM GMT
Anyone who doubts that list is being pedantic, most ,if not all, of the comments are in the public domain.
Report Emden March 18, 2015 10:08 PM GMT
....like an old washing machine on spin that won't switch off....Grin
Report blackbarn March 18, 2015 10:14 PM GMT
Emden - You really haven't bothered to read the thread have youCrazy For the avoidance of doubt, I am just interested in the veracity of the original story. Others have, perhaps understandably, high-jacked the subject to raise wider Islamic issuesLaugh
Report Capt__F March 18, 2015 10:27 PM GMT
hope Trixie ok
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 12:11 AM GMT
The story is 100% true as far as I am concerned and related exactly as it was told to me.

The teacher in question visits North Devon (where I live) during the school holidays and walks Oscar the black labrador on the beach.  As a fellow dog-walker we meet up occasionally and have a chat.  I don't know him well, but have no reason whatsoever to doubt its validity, he's always seemed a straightforward chap.

It's a cracking job, by the way, he takes the kids all over the world.  They're going to Hong Kong and Beijing next week to visit the Harrow franchise schools.
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 12:14 AM GMT
I don't really want to give out too many of his personal details on a public forum, but feel free to ring up Harrow and enquire about Oscar the black labrador if you like.
Report Capt__F March 19, 2015 12:23 AM GMT
good spin on the labCool
Report themightymac March 19, 2015 12:30 AM GMT
A family down the road lost their Black Labrador and the young kids were very upset. "Put an advert in the local paper", I advised the parents and the youngest kid replied, "But, it can`t read"! LaughLaughLaugh
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 12:34 AM GMT
Thank you for the kind words, Mister Badger.

It's not Becky, though, he's an Oscar.  I'm sure your friend could confirm the story should you meet up in the near future, however.  Ask her about Oscar the (appropriately) biology lab.
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 1:59 PM GMT
Has any firm evidence yet emerged to confirm the veracity of this story concerning this poor wretched dog?

But then again, it doesn't take much to convince the resident sharp minds on chit chat.
Report Dotchinite March 19, 2015 2:18 PM GMT
Wesdag What in the OP or in his confirmation post gives you reason to doubt it. Its hardly a far fetched story.

Why dont you phone Harrow as he suggested.
Report Slicer March 19, 2015 2:20 PM GMT
You all may like this one from a little while back
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/185172/Swimming-pool-blacked-out-to-appease...
Report Crisp77 March 19, 2015 2:23 PM GMT
It's true. I have a picture from when the dog left the classroom:

[img]http://images.onesite.com/community.betfair.com/user/crisp77/8866088e4c462983f4db0fa874d64b17.jpg?v=189000[/img]
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 2:32 PM GMT
Not doubting it, I just require hard facts of the whole story.

Given that this story has the potential to be quite inflammatory, I don't think a full appraisal of the facts is too much to ask for.
Report HH Sultan Vinegar March 19, 2015 2:40 PM GMT
Winston Churchill's old school and he really liked the muzzies. Plain


themightymac

A family down the road lost their Black Labrador and the young kids were very upset. "Put an advert in the local paper", I advised the parents and the youngest kid replied, "But, it can`t read"!


Laugh
Report Slicer March 19, 2015 2:52 PM GMT
The next thing to happen is that the mosquitoes will be winning the X Factor, Britains Not Got Talent, The Voice and £250k on Deal or No Deal. But the time to worry will be when Mohammed and Fatima represent the UK in the Eurovision Song Contest (although they couldn't be worse than this year's entry).
Report Dotchinite March 19, 2015 2:52 PM GMT
Its not really inflammatory compared to stories that are 100% truthful like the sexual abuse of 10s thousands (or More) of underage girls across the community by muslim communities.
Report Slicer March 19, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
Mr Dotch- they were reported by the BBC to be Asians NOT Muslims. I wonder why that is?
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 3:08 PM GMT
Wesdag wrote:

Not doubting it, I just require hard facts of the whole story.

Given that this story has the potential to be quite inflammatory, I don't think a full appraisal of the facts is too much to ask for.


You have just about all the information I can provide, I'm afraid.  The only hard facts I have to offer is my telling of the tale.  Unless the story makes the papers, which is unlikely given it's Harrow, you'll just have to take my word for it... or not.  Or, of course, you could telephone the school and ask how Oscar the labrador is getting along at home.

Report lfc1971 March 19, 2015 3:09 PM GMT
Inflammatory!Laugh it really is incredible...hundreds are being murdered every day and he thinks this might ruin reputations.
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 3:12 PM GMT
^ Then why bother to post?

Seems very trivial on the face of it - as you point out.
Report lfc1971 March 19, 2015 3:14 PM GMT
I never said it was trivial..if true it is very important.
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 3:19 PM GMT
Comparatively speaking.
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 3:20 PM GMT
if true

That seems to be the crux of the matter.
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 3:21 PM GMT
Perhaps a chit chatter could organise a petition?

Or bring it to the attention of the Daily Mail?
Report Dotchinite March 19, 2015 3:26 PM GMT
They have plenty of form with this sort of thing though even to objecting to guide dogs which is far more offensive than the school story.
Report lfc1971 March 19, 2015 3:36 PM GMT
Wesdag if it is true or not is not so important, if it is not true then you will consider it a made up story, perhaps by the EDL and be outraged

If it is true however then it is trivial and you will be determined not to be outraged...

thus the truth of the story is of no importance.
Report FOYLESWAR March 19, 2015 3:43 PM GMT
the teacher should sue em ,he might winalot of money ,and I am sure his pedigree chums at harrow  will speak up for him ,these muslim parents  are barking up the wrong tree here ,ruff justice ! those who spillers the beans on him should be ashamed .
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 4:04 PM GMT
Call me old-fashioned lfc, but I just happen to prefer facts before forming an opinion.
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 4:05 PM GMT
Are you Muslim, Wesdag?
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 4:12 PM GMT
Laugh

How is that relevant to whether or not the story is valid?
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
It's not relevant at all, of course. 

If you were a muslim, though, I was just going to ask what your opinion would be if the story did prove to be true.  Nothing more than that, sir.
Report Wesdag March 19, 2015 4:17 PM GMT
For what it's worth Poker, I do not believe in glorified superstition which is what religion is.
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 4:18 PM GMT
Fair enough.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker March 19, 2015 4:39 PM GMT
Some people would rather leave here beer than admit to being wrong.

I recall the great 'Xmas Carol' question of December 2012.

A well known luvvie posted that he was prepared to wager a 'sizeable sum' that the said school would be singing xmas carols. 

The name, address and phone number of the school were supplied the next day.

What became of the luvvie who wanted to bet a 'sizeable sum'?

He vanished, after at least 6 years on here.

=============================================================================

Another one did the same sort of thing when he agreed to have a £2k bet on documentation not being able to be produced concerning a forumite. 

The forumite proved himself by supplying the required documentation, and the two grand was going to be staked on a horse at Cheltenham.

The loser in this also vanished.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker March 19, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
Some people would rather leave here beer than admit to being wrong. Laugh

How did 'beer' get in there.
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
I thought you were an agent for Budweiser and it was some sort of subliminal marketing.
Report Pokermonster March 19, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
Either that or you were just trying bacon to wind up the muslims.
Report Clouseau March 19, 2015 4:45 PM GMT
To be fair, after nine years in the same class the dog has probably learnt all there is to know about the subject and it's doing him a favour allowing him to move on and expand his learning.
Report alun2005 March 19, 2015 5:19 PM GMT
The two cases identified by Spellingandgrammarchecker at 16:39 hrs above were quite remarkable tales.

The two forumites who offered the bets were More-Liberal-Than-Thou gentleman, who liked to present themselves as "progressive". One of these "luvvies" had a passion for "Multicultural London" (admittedly from a safe distance of several hundred miles away), was often wincingly politically-correct, and informed us that he felt "safer" in Africa than anywhere he'd been to in Britain in some time. (I can only imagine there must some pretty terrifying sights outside big houses in smart cul-de-sacs on desirable modern housing developments in the North of England). 

These two fine gentlemen decided (inexplicably) that they somehow knew more about some other Forumites lives than was the case, and agreed to back up their delusional presumptions with hard cash. One bet was for £2k, the other for an unstated but "large amount of money". Both gentlemen quickly discovered they were on the wrong side of the bets, and have not been seen since. Quite a change in behaviour for the one of them, as his daily lofty pronouncements were an inescapable aspect of life on here.

It's not too late for them to see the error of their ways. One of them I'm sure I could track down very easily if I so desired. 

Although both of their accounts and Forum names remain extant, the bets have not been settled.



What on earth would liberal/left men of integrity make of their shabby behaviour?
Report spellingandgrammarchecker March 19, 2015 5:21 PM GMT
Do they work in a bottling plant these days?
Report alun2005 March 19, 2015 5:28 PM GMT
Wouldn't be surprised. The one of them should be utterly ashamed of himself given his alleged job.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker March 19, 2015 5:29 PM GMT
Chester minute, while I ponder that.
Report alun2005 March 19, 2015 5:31 PM GMT
It's just like listening to Cheerful Charlie Chester !!
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