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04 Mar 15
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Two Australian men convicted of drug smuggling in Indonesia have been taken from a prison in Bali to an island where they face execution by firing squad.
Myuran Sukumaran, 33, and Andrew Chan, 31, were found guilty in 2005 of being the ringleaders of the so-called "Bali Nine" drug smuggling gang.
They were sentenced to death the following year.
Australia has been pursuing a campaign to save the men - but the Indonesian president has refused to grant them clemency.
Myuran Sukumaran, 33, and Andrew Chan, 31, were found guilty in 2005 of being the ringleaders of the so-called "Bali Nine" drug smuggling gang.
They were sentenced to death the following year.
Australia has been pursuing a campaign to save the men - but the Indonesian president has refused to grant them clemency.
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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bali-nine-drug-smugglers-taken-to-execution-jail/ar-BBicwT4?ocid=mailsignoutmd
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A tough punishment
But their country their law |
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Why doesn't Indonesai just say give us a billion bucks and we will release them? Then we will see how much the aussies care.
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Good riddance
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ebulGery
A tough punishment But their country their law I totally agree with that ebul but would add that they knew the risks. |
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Mmmmm...Interesting because I have read about these two men, watched documentaries, read some more, watched more documentaries etc...
When I did, I felt genuine sorrow for the fact that they had done so much positive stuff inside a completely corrupt prison, listened to them talking about their crime. I understand that there may well be bias in production of these books/docs and they may well also just be sorry for being caught BUT I personally can only conclude that It is just plain wrong to kill them. Yes, kill them. Maybe, one day I may have to look someone in the eye who has sold my daughter drugs or smuggled them, but would I kill them? No, I don't think so. Google this case...and watch for yourselves what is out there and listen to them. Then if you would still actually kill them, hey ho. I get the rules is rules thing but I suppose it boils down to the death penalty given for what level of crime. |
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I don't believe in the death penalty but I believe in the right of a country to set it's own laws.
They smuggled drugs and they knew if they were caught they would probably face the death penalty. Obviously they are going to be changed characters now. |
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Well they will be changing their pants frquently now..
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Australia gives a billion in aid to Indonesia every year.
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Ido not believe in the right of a country to set its own laws.
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Indonesia has rejected a last-ditch offer from Australia of a prisoner swap aimed at saving the lives of two Australian men on death row.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Arrmanatha Nasir told the BBC that Indonesia had no law to provide for such an exchange. Earlier Australia's Foreign Minister Julie Bishop confirmed the swap offer was among options being explored. Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumara, from the 'Bali Nine' drug-smuggling group, are due to be executed within days. The men are due to be shot by firing squad. |
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lfc1971 05 Mar 15 09:29
Ido not believe in the right of a country to set its own laws. What about the good ol' U.S. of A.? I thought everything was perfect over there? |
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I would choose firing squad if I had to be executed
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Noted.
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It`s alright Gery, smuggling viagra in your man bag is not punishable by execution even in Indonesia.
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Barbaric sentence .
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Agree, but Indonesia is a barbaric regime. Long time ago now but they slaughtered 7,000 odd peaceful demonstrators in East Timor with arms supplied by M.Thatcher esq, same woman that helped Pol Pot and that other mass murderer Pinochet. Most countries have levels of shameful barbarity. |
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We all die eventually
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Poor ebul.
Ken/Angel quality  |
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Well fark off back to it ye cretin
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guinness2dear
Well fark off back to it ye cretin Peep seem to forget the misery that drugs wreak on communities. These two were not giving a feck for that and only interested in making money. They knew the death penalty was a possibility, absolutely stupid decision on their parts. |
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One of the most moronic statements I've read on here - and I'm a regular on the horse racing forum.
KING of dubai, everyone has a point of view. as has already been stated its the law of the land in some countries and who are we to tell them how to run it. i dont agree with the death penalty but some would even argue its more humane than spending the rest of your days in a squalid jail. |
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The sheer hypocrisy of the decision, is that Indonesia fights tooth and nail to save its own citizens, that are on death row in other countries, for drug convictions.
It has had success at times in saving the lives of theses citizens. |
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Why are we hearing of these two and not of others who have been executed or are on death row in Indonesia for the same offence? Are there some aspects of the case which qualify them for a more lenient sentence? It's not clear to me from anything I've seen on this thread.
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People who smuggle Visgra must be hard up!
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whats going on with the english women dew to be shot
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i dont agree with the
death penalty but some would even argue its more humane than spending the rest of your days in a squalid jail. They are both actually very busy with in the jail, Sukumaran is running a screen print shop and studying other fine art and mentoring. Chan is involved in the church and mentoring others. They would both accept a life in this prison over being shot. Why are we hearing of these two and not of others who have been executed or are on death row in Indonesia for the same offence? Are there some aspects of the case which qualify them for a more lenient sentence? It's not clear to me from anything I've seen on this thread. Sukumaran was tagged as being the `Kingpin` and Chan was tagged with being the `Godfather` of the drug deal. The others have been given life sentences. |
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I assume he was talking about the other 8 who are to be executed at the same time.
These two chaps seem to be genuinely reformed and seem to actually be an asset to the prison with the programs they are running. Not sure killing them will solve anything. |
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Plus the fact that they used about a million people to transfer these two guys, and even showed photos of the Chief Police Dude smiling next to one of them on the plane, whereas another guy due to be excuted was transferred in a single car or something.
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Are the other 8 Australian?
They are pleading for clemency for their own citizens I suspect These two were ringleaders, glad to see they are reformed ,but does tis excuse their original crime It is a harsh punishment, but maybe that is the only way to deter drug trafficking in Indonesia |
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if ALL drug dealers in ALL corners of the globe
even your bottom of the chain ones peddling v small amounts knew incontrovertibly that they would be exterminated by their own govt or transgressing away from home by the govt of the country they transgressed in how many drugs do you think would be sold illegally? THE bane of society |
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I went to a small indonesian jungle village in Sumatra 1 year ago. Was awash with Marijuana. I knew westerners that did it but no fkin way i was even touching it, The locals were all smoking it openly too. At the time that Sandiford woman was in some stinking indonesian jail ready to be taken out into the woods and shot. I'm stupid but I ain't that stupid. But my point is that threat didn't put off the locals, nor a few westerners (who surely would be even more sh1t scared of an indonesian jail than the indonesians).
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interesting that they were taking drugs (Heroin) out the country rather than in,not sure if Indonesia is a poppy producer but sits just outside the golden triangle ,no doubt they are trying to stop the corruption that comes with the trade ,not sure about the politics of it all but the message is loud and clear.
Would not like to be in the shoes of those facing the death pen but once a community is awash with smack and the old ladies are getting battered and mugged everything that is not tied down stolen ,no go areas rife and junkie zombies all over the shop its hell for everyone so little sympathy . |
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ROB...that's more the end user ur alluding to tho' doubtless some villager was also supplying it
more to the point were u still able to bet & get live feeds?  |
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I have little sympathy for the Aussies as they knew what they were doing and they knew the risks.
However, before labelling drug dealers "the bane of society", it's important to realise how much fun drugs can be. I mean, the idea is that they provide pleasure, after all, just like with alcohol and gambling. Sure, they cause problems too, but it's not obvious to me whether there would be more or less happiness in the world without them. I'm pretty sure I'd be less happy, though. |
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yeah these 2 were not foolish young travellers conned into taking drugs through customs. they were masterminding the operation
i don't agree with the death penalth per se but they knew full well what risks they were taking |
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72 hours notice of execution has been given.
At least three of 10 people on death row in Indonesia for drug smuggling have been given formal notice of their imminent execution. Two Australians, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, and a Philippines woman, Mary Jane Veloso were notified by Indonesian officials on Saturday. Under Indonesian law, convicts must be given 72 hours' notice of execution, but no formal date has yet been set. |