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02 Feb 15
13:49
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After the war - they voted Churchill out and voted ATTLEE in. Why? Because killing folk was over. Helping and healing was in. The NHS was established by Attlee's government and it's been under attack from the sort of creeps that like to kill and put more money into killing people than helping them. 100 billion for new nuclear threat. Rather than keeping what they have now and wait another twenty years for the next generation of missiles from the USA. Hey budget solved for NHS - 100 billion found.
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I do not doubt the NHS was a great achievement, but could it not be said that if Churchill had not been our wartime leader, Attlee would never have had the chance to implement his vision? I think it is a bit harsh to judge one over the other.
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John Major was the greatest peacetime PM.
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using an aeroplane is the least safe form of transport. Black is white.
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Of course Major was also a successful wartime leader.
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Churchill saved us in our darkest hour but it was understandable that the people wanted to go in another direction after the war. If Attlee was such a good PM why did they get rid of him? |
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We saved ourselves, Churchill was just a figure-head, the next best leader would have done just as good a job, maybe even better.
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^ Exactly.
He made a few nice speeches but that was it. All this greatest Briton of all time bollox is way over the top. |
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Atlee oversaw the break-up of the British Empire and the greatest civilizing influence in history.
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@The Leopard -- the next best leader wanted to make peace with the Nazis.
Atlee -- NHS (although that was based on the wartime Beveridge report so maybe anyone would have done it). Probably Atlee lost because rationing continued after the war. |
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nice one lfc, good point. and driving is safer than flying and life expectancy is dropping and pigs can fly.
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My mother's answer to the question of why Churchill was voted out of the office for which, remember, he hadn't actually been voted in: "People remembered what it was like before the War."
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dreadful to be asked to leave the office.
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Thatcher was probably the best PM of the 20th century (hard to really have an objective overall poll, as we know comparatively little about PMs of the 19th century backwards). Churchill the most interesting and able man; again hard to be objective about him as he was essentially Prime Minister during a period of marshal law.
I despise the NHS so Atlee doesn't feature highly in my rankings. |
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Atlee got 250,000 more votes than Churchill in 1951 - So it could be argued he should have been re-elected.
Churchill was a bit right place, right time, as far as the war was concerned. Whether any other leader could have had the same result, we can never know. He definitely messed up a bit over Gallipoli in WW1 and by all accounts wasn't a particularly nice bloke. My granddad was an ARP warden in the east end during the war and I remember him telling me the story of how the exhausted fire-fighters were busy putting out fires for days on end after bombing raids. As he worked with them all tired and exhausted and pretty fed-up, a big car (he said a Rolls Royce, but I don't know) pulled up and the back window rolled down, Churchill, cigar in mouth, said to them "Just like the old days, eh boys?" and they turned the hoses on him. As for Thatcher being the best PM of the 20th (or any other) century....   |
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Never voted Tory in my life, nor did I like Thatcher. Just think she got more right than the other PM's of the 20th century.
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Atlee got 250,000 more votes than Churchill in 1951 - So it could be argued he should have been re-elected.
You can't keep a good socialist down. Who cares about the rules. We'll just make up our own. |
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^^^^
Silly post - arguing where there's no argument. |
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I beg to differ !
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On the contrary. There are two arguments.
One is the issue of the left consistently seeking to bend facts and rules to suit themselves. "The truth is optional". The second is that the British people have specifically rejected the issue of moving to what Studyform suggests and there were several times during the 20th century where the Tories were inconvenienced by having the most overall votes but seeing another party forming the government. Too bad. Had Attlee proved to have been a great leader then he should have had unassailable victories due to the sheer scale of the working class which his party was formed to represent. He didn't because like all Labour government's he presided over calamity. |
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Thatcher way ahead as the best ,she broke the back of the cancerous unions that lead to the winter of discontent and the strike action that left us the sick man of europe.
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Falklands victory was brilliant as well,Thatcher was the PM for all issues.
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Thatcher took us into a near Police state.
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Thatcher was the PM for all issues
she was also the PM for all tissues, Bito used to love having a tug over her. |
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Falklands victory was brilliant as well,Thatcher was the PM for all issues.
Thatcher was the PM whose defence cuts, and especially the withdrawal of HMS Endurance from the South Atlantic, led the Argentinians to invade. |
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What a bit like rope a dope? Ali v Foreman?
Brilliant. |
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She gave that mug Galtieri a bloody good hiding. God bless yer Maggie. Labour would have had us crawling on our bellies in front of the fascists.
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The Leopard 02 Feb 15 15:24
We saved ourselves, Churchill was just a figure-head, the next best leader would have done just as good a job, maybe even better. ------- So you guys have read extensively on Churchill's actions and decisions and diplomacy etc througout the war? No, of course you haven't. |
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The Leopard 02 Feb 15 15:24
We saved ourselves, Churchill was just a figure-head, the next best leader would have done just as good a job, maybe even better. ------- So you guys have read extensively on Churchill's actions and decisions and diplomacy etc througout the war? No, of course you haven't. |
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Thatcher, Churchhill and Atlee in that order
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Tony Blair a shocking omission: three-time winner, including two unprecedented Labour landslides and retired undefeated. By far the most popular Prime Minister this country has ever had.
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Tony Blair is a total coont who has unified the nation in hatred. People either didn't vote for him, or they did vote for him and feel let down. Thatcher may have divided opinion but those that voted for her by and large got what it said on the tin. People who voted for him in 2005 need to take a look at themselves. We knew then he had taken us to war on a false premise - that does not deserve re election imo and those that voted for him have blood on the hands. Don't give me all this "it was them or the tories" nonsense, you can vote for anyone.
I remember seeing him in 1994 on tv with shiny white teeth and a dishonest smile and I am proud to say that as a 16 year old I said he is a fkin turd who looks and walks like a total wrongun. I was of course right, needless to say I had the last laugh, etc etc |
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Popularity isn't any measure of greatness. If it were then people would be watching something useful on TV instead of programmes like Celebrity Big X Factor In Weatherfield. Blair was a con man. A very good one who managed to con a lot of people but he was little more than a Terry Thomas character with few redeeming features.
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Although widely considered a failure, Ted Heath gave us decimal money and EU membership, so he has done more than most to shape the country as it is today.
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Search : Edward Heath Paedophile ......on t'internet.
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Irrespective of his personal life Heath was another unprincipled rogue and we are still working our way through his dishonesty. The British people were sold on an idea of a community of trading nations whereas Heath always knew that the European project was about building a country.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNelt33QP_8 Heath blackmailed by German secret service to take us in to Europe. |
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Shocking stuff.
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After listening to more of to what he was saying i think this guy Micheal Shrimpton is off his head Leopard.
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^ Have you had a phonecall?
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