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29 Jan 15
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It is one of the most poignant moments of modern British history – the dipping of cranes in silent tribute as Winston Churchill’s coffin passes down the Thames.
But there was shock last night after a former docker cast doubt on the spontaneity of the occasion by claiming the workers had to be paid.
John Lynch, a dock man in 1965, made the claim in Jeremy Paxman’s BBC1 documentary, Churchill: The Nation’s Farewell.
He said: ‘They [the dockers] didn’t like Churchill. I think I can speak for most, they didn’t like him. When they were asked to do it the atmosphere was “no”. They were paid to do it. We didn’t work Saturday afternoon, we wouldn’t have been there.
‘There was a lot of arguments and rows about it. The atmosphere was that Churchill wasn’t a working class person. You’d see him with a cigar in one hand and sometimes a drink in the other, he just didn’t associate with us at all.’
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To be fair Churchill was always a pretty right wing Tory.
His reputation rests on his inspirational leadership through the second World war, for which we must always be grateful. Outside of the second World war never greatly liked by the working classes |
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Oh yes yes ye..
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Without Churchill I am not sure we would even have stayed in the war. Many wanted to do a deal with Hitler
once France fell. I am not entirely sure it did this country any good, it bankrupted us. Still it may well have been decided factor in World War II, us holding out, so at least we ensured the end of Nazism, although it seems to me we did not win anything. We never recovered. |
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candle in the wind
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The cost does not matter. The principle does.
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n,est pas
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ur tips pretty expensive tho but
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Without us holding out. Where would the USA have been able to invade Europe from? They could not do it from the USA.
Without our bombers aided, later by US bombers, Germany would have had more resources to devote to the Russian front, it may have given them victory, who knows? Looking at out country now Money Tree I am doubtful, but you are probably right Money Tree  Capt_F |
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Without Churchill I am not sure we would even have stayed in the war. Many wanted to do a deal with Hitler once France fell. I am not entirely sure it did this country any good, it bankrupted us So you think we'd have been better off doing a deal. Hitler leaves us free whilst sucking up the rest of Europe. Peace in our times whilst the Germans regroup and replenish? Then Hitler looks at the UK and thinks 'why not?'. Of course it did this country good, anything else doesn't bear thinking about. |
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I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE MEN MUST HAVE GOT TOGETHER AND JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A NICE GESTURE,
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It is all what if, is it not
Your what if seems most likely akabula, but Churchill had to fight to keep us in the war But what if's one can never be certain of anything. There is a case there. Still it never happened, |
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More than a gesture I would hope Do wah Diddy?
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IM NOT GOOD WITH WORDS ,I MEAN A GESTURE OF THANK YOU
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your very good with words Do Wah Diddy
you meant the crane dipping, indeed it was |
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The risk would have too great ebul. Churchill would know this.
The Germans had to be stopped. |
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good at UPPER CASE
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Do wah Diddy
IM NOT GOOD WITH WORDS ,I MEAN A GESTURE OF THANK YOU It may well have been DO Wah. All we have against this is the word of an old docker who might have said no whilst others said yes. |
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They need to be stopped again.
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YES THE CRANE DIPPING ,I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY MOVEING ,AND THE PART OF THE FUNERAL THAT STOOD OUT TO ME
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I think he did akabula
But you must realise how weak we were after France fell, our army had been thrashed, we got the troops off at Dunkirk but had to leave the equipment behind. I think it was only our air force saved us, If Hitler had destroyed that I think he would have risked crossing the channel. His army lands, and he could support it, we were toast. |
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Money Tree cost me thousands!! • January 29, 2015 11:35 PM GMT
They need to be stopped again. what Germany!, just economically perhaps, a lot of their cars on our road but better than Panzers |
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I THINK THE MEN WOULD HAVE GOT TOGETHER AND FORGOT THEIR POLITICS,AND DONE THE RIGHT THING ,
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You are right Do wah Diddy, it is the Mail stirring it up as usual
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e eans the CAPITALS
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CAPT F STAND EASY ,
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The interview withe the 'Docker' ruined an otherwise interesting appraisal of the Churchill funeral.
Just why that sh!te had to be included - and especially at the end of the programme - I do not know, The 'Docker'looked remarkably YOUNG for somebody from 50 years ... - and just how do we know that he was telling the TRUTH "Dockers do did not work Saturday afternoons," said it ALL for me. |
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I agree with @onlooker. It should have been left on the cutting room floor. Even if true, I'm not sure about the spin put on it. I dare say the soldiers carrying the coffin still got paid, along with the archbishop and everyone else. Why call it a bribe?
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There was a historian on Newsnight last night who said that Churchill delayed the D-Day landings by about a year which may have resulted in 10 million more deaths as it prolonged the war.
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This is the problem in our Age of Celebrity, even the historians have to say increasingly daft and ridiculous things to stand out from the crowd
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Thankfully they've no shortage of witless gibbons to reproduce them all over the internet. You have to wonder who he's borrowed this particular opinion from.
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You can't handle the truth, Ken? (Your cosy little world rocking on it's hinges.)
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Yes some of Churchill's decisions during WWII have come in for criticism.
The USA wanted to invade France in mid 1943 and not Italy, Churchill's decision. But then we will never know what happened if we did, we may have failed for all we know. I still think we owe a great debt of thanks for leading us through WWII. Historians always argue over the past, one can see both sides of the argument on this one. |
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The USA even wanted us to invade France in 1942. I cannot see that would have succeeded.
1943 more arguable. |
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USA military command or Ebulgery off the chit chat forum....hmmmm, who to pick?
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 sorry wrong smiley |
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I suppose Churchill wanted to make sure the invasion did not fail.
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