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The Leopard
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Report The Leopard January 19, 2015 8:00 PM GMT
As political parties launch their general election campaigns - a battle that will focus on Britain's economic recovery - Morland Sanders investigates the reality of employment for many workers today, meeting those who are earning far less than they expected, and others struggling to make ends meet in part-time jobs. He shows how some high-profile brands are saving millions on their wage bill and reveals the clever ploys that cost the nation millions in lost tax revenue
Report Dr Crippen January 20, 2015 10:22 AM GMT
The main reason to allow free movement of labour and immigration in Europe is to bring down wages.

I'd say the plan is working very well.

I don't know where that leaves the Labour Party who pretend to represent the workers because they're as keen on it as anybody.

Get used to low wage Britain because it's here to stay.
Report ebulGery January 20, 2015 10:32 AM GMT
Recovery...my arse..only for the rich and better off,
it is worse than ever for those at the bottom

still we have our cheap imports I suppose, not a lot else
Report bigmo January 21, 2015 9:47 PM GMT
I've just seen this program and it really sickens me how they can get away with exploitation of workers that they do.

Nothing will be done about it of course but I urge anyone who hasn't seen it to take a look and watch how this filth exploit the working class.
Report pawras January 21, 2015 10:09 PM GMT
Wages have been stagnant in the private sector , from the high end to the bottom, for 10+ years thanks to free movement of labour and mass immigration which suits both parties for different reasons.
Report TiptheOdds January 21, 2015 10:16 PM GMT
This is what happens when people are not united and organised in unions.
Report pawras January 21, 2015 11:47 PM GMT
yeah and look what endless strikes did to the UK i.e. they helped turn us into an economic basket case by the end of the 70s

we don't need unions and little trots thinking they run the country not the elected government, all we need to do is have extrememly strict rules re anyone not born here wanting to work here, other countries do it so there's nowt stopping us except the EU , but we could leave that tomorrow if we chose, any treaty is just a piece of paper that only hold weight while you agree it does.
Report Capt__F January 22, 2015 12:01 AM GMT
shari law ?
Report Jack Hacksaw January 22, 2015 10:36 AM GMT
Just watched it.  What is the point of having supposedly minimum wages if they can be so easily by-passed.

Looking at the tactics used, there needs to be an enquiry into the dodges.  I hope the programme sparks one.

The £150 pw NI employers threshold needs to be sorted as it encourages firms to offer part-time work when usually people want full time.  Also, probably encourages people to rely on working tax benefits.
It seems that the catalyst for a lot of the dodges are agencies - so they need to be sorted.

And zero-hours hardly had a mention...
Report TiptheOdds January 22, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
so pawras, if the UK leaves the EU and no more foreign workers are allowed to come here the low pay problem will solve itself?
Report bigmo January 22, 2015 6:29 PM GMT
So the Government not only makes up the low wages of many of Tesco's workforce it now appears that Tesco do their utmost to avoid paying tax at the expense of the said workers.
Report pawras January 22, 2015 7:09 PM GMT
Tiptheodds - not completely but the job market, like any other, is largely a matter of supply and demand, and at the moment there's too much supply and ergo wages in the private sector have been largely stagnant for over a decade.
This suits both parties :-
Tories – low wages are good for a company balance sheet
Labour – immigrants are more likely to vote labour and so are those dependent on the state.
Report DartsnBooze January 22, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
Crackpot tory rears self importance head. Without a workforce there would be no company business to stiff its employees and cream off obscene profits. Whatever happened to wealth distribution?

P.S. What elected government?
Report pawras January 22, 2015 8:08 PM GMT
Fk wealth distribution , I’ve yet to hear single decent argument as to why others are entitled to stick their hands in my pocket.
Permie employees take no risk , companies belong to those who take the risk in setting them up and running them.
Report pawras January 22, 2015 8:16 PM GMT
But any company large or small shouldn't have it's wage bill subsidised by the tax payer
Report bigmo January 25, 2015 3:36 PM GMT
That was my point really put very badly though.
Report Injera January 25, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
We employ more people than ever.

Thanks to the foolishness of mass immigration we have 'an employers' market' where they need make no effort to look after staff.

Fewer available workers would lead to higher wages as employers compete to employ anyone who can breathe and then retain them.

Over simplification I know but it really is basic economics. Flood the market with potential employees, wages stagnate or fall and corrupt employers come to the fore.
Report Alias January 25, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
Dr Crippen

Dr Crippen
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The main reason to allow free movement of labour and immigration in Europe is to bring down wages.

I find myself in accord with the sawbones.
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TiptheOdds
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This is what happens when people are not united and organised in unions.


Absolutely true, and exacerbated when working class people vote for right wing parties.
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pawras
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yeah and look what endless strikes did to the UK i.e. they helped turn us into an economic basket case by the end of the 70s



pawras unmasked as an aspiring leader writer for the Daily Mail.
Report Alias January 25, 2015 4:41 PM GMT
*leader
Report Alias January 25, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
* Should read header. FFS
Report pawras January 25, 2015 5:49 PM GMT
Alias - compare the state of economy in 1979 , 1997 , 2010

1979 - fkd after labour
1997 - great shape after the tories
2010 - fkd (again) after labour

of course if you're uneducated , unskilled and perpetually unemployed then labour is the party for you
Report 1st time poster January 25, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
stats and more stats you said i said blah, blah

whatever the truth only 2 stats matter for ids and co to explain

tax take down
benefits bill rising

go figure
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