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Now the british media should reprint it. Wouldnt be gratuitious or inflammatory it would be reporting the news. If they dont print it now they are cowards. Beeb just did a report and their man at the arc just described it while holding it down below the camera's view. Pathetic.
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The newspapers should certainly run the cartoons because the terrorists have made them high profile.
People want to see what the fuss is about.
People want to see what the fuss is about.
It's startling the powerful effects that a simple cartoon can have on these people.
If we played it up more in the West they might start to examine what we're laughing at, and why they have to come to us for stuff like science and technology.
If we played it up more in the West they might start to examine what we're laughing at, and why they have to come to us for stuff like science and technology.
In the late 1930s, most German newspapers carried insulting anti Semitic cartoons and caricatured Jews as evil and money grubbing. We know what happened next, so is it really OK to protect those who, according to many of its followers, insult Islam and the prophet? Should we really not care about "Life of Brian" etc?
I'm not religious btw. Just a thought.
I'm not religious btw. Just a thought.
If we played it up more in the West they might start to examine what we're laughing at, and why they have to come to us for stuff like science and technology.
Plenty of science and technology originated in the Arab Islamic world.
Plenty of science and technology originated in the Arab Islamic world.
Western Law Abiding Democracies
OR
Murderous Torturing Evil Scum
Which side should you take ?
Hmmmmmmm?
OR
Murderous Torturing Evil Scum
Which side should you take ?
Hmmmmmmm?
Jan 13, 2015 -- 10:53AM, Alias wrote:
In the late 1930s, most German newspapers carried insulting anti Semitic cartoons and caricatured Jews as evil and money grubbing. We know what happened next, so is it really OK to protect those who, according to many of its followers, insult Islam and the prophet? Should we really not care about "Life of Brian" etc?I'm not religious btw. Just a thought.
Did the Hitler/Nazis/German newspapers in 1930s every insult the Jewish religion? (Adam/Eve, Moses, Abraham, waiting for the Messiah etc etc) or were their insults at the Jewish race?
All religions make extraordinary claims with no evidence. People have the right to make fun of these claims/ideas.
You can see why we're in the state we're in with these people, when posters compare cartoons from an obscure publication with the events that led to the holocaust.
These are murdering fundamentalist terrorists we're dealing with here,
not peace loving Jews in 1930s Germany.
These are murdering fundamentalist terrorists we're dealing with here,
not peace loving Jews in 1930s Germany.
I don't know whether the generally spineless British newspapers are in danger of reprisals from extremists if they print the latest CH cover. I do imagine they might well face a Police investigation though brought by some tragic 'offended' person for having committed some sort of modern Pretendy Hate Crime.
Yes the British newspapers are afraid of upsetting the Muslim community many of which are journalists.
Which simply shows how they have worked their way into affecting how we behave.
This is just the start.
Which simply shows how they have worked their way into affecting how we behave.
This is just the start.
But scandy you're the guy that said Lewis Hamilton wasn't popular because he is black. Then he went and won SPOTY despite honky McIlroy's acheivement being greater. With the greatest of respect you're a clown. Printing the front cover of Charlie isn't a reprisal it is reporting the news ffs.
Rob, I can't take lectures from someone who openly mocks a stroke victim.
Hamilton didn't win SPOTY because he is suddenly ultra popular, it's because the people who voted are much more likely to be motor sports fans than golf fans, there have been black winners before him. And if you read my post properly, the reprisal I was talking about was in reference to likeliness the extremists acting upon these cartoons bein republished here,
Rob, I can't take lectures from someone who openly mocks a stroke victim.
Hamilton didn't win SPOTY because he is suddenly ultra popular, it's because the people who voted are much more likely to be motor sports fans than golf fans, there have been black winners before him. And if you read my post properly, the reprisal I was talking about was in reference to likeliness the extremists acting upon these cartoons bein republished here,
Jan 13, 2015 -- 11:25AM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
But scandy you're the guy that said Lewis Hamilton wasn't popular because he is black. Then he went and won SPOTY despite honky McIlroy's acheivement being greater. With the greatest of respect you're a clown. Printing the front cover of Charlie isn't a reprisal it is reporting the news ffs.Rob, I can't take lectures from someone who openly mocks a stroke victim. Hamilton didn't win SPOTY because he is suddenly ultra popular, it's because the people who voted are much more likely to be motor sports fans than golf fans, there have been black winners before him. And if you read my post properly, the reprisal I was talking about was in reference to likeliness the extremists acting upon these cartoons bein republished here,
Music is haram in Islam.
Maybe people in western countries should stop making music - incase it offends extremists of Islam?
scandanavian_haven
Sensible imo, there are many nutcases out there who will use it as an excuse to attack us, probably somewher in London again, if the French are stupid enough to keep reprinting these cartoons then that's there look out and if there's another attack there, they'll be blood on their hands. For once I praise the English press for having brains and doing the right thing. A lot of people take the piss out of religion and religious people but they do it amongst themselves or behind closed doors, doing it in national publications is plain dumb.
Sickening and gutless post, you ought to be thouroughly ashamed that you pander to Islamic extremism for the sake of an easy life.
Is the above poster the type of man we now breed in Europe? If so then we deserve what's coming to us.
[shakes head in disgust]
Sensible imo, there are many nutcases out there who will use it as an excuse to attack us, probably somewher in London again, if the French are stupid enough to keep reprinting these cartoons then that's there look out and if there's another attack there, they'll be blood on their hands. For once I praise the English press for having brains and doing the right thing. A lot of people take the piss out of religion and religious people but they do it amongst themselves or behind closed doors, doing it in national publications is plain dumb.
Sickening and gutless post, you ought to be thouroughly ashamed that you pander to Islamic extremism for the sake of an easy life.
Is the above poster the type of man we now breed in Europe? If so then we deserve what's coming to us.
[shakes head in disgust]
You're mixing up your extremists Ken, they're the lot who snatched those 200 schoolgirls in Nigeria.
Get real get on massive,take this scenario, next week, there are tube bombings again, killing over a hundred, they declare it's in retaliation for the publication of cartoons depicting their prophet, which is just what happened in France. What next, do we print more cartoons as yet another act of defiance? when does it stop exactly? This really is simple stuff, you call it gutless, reality calls it common sense. You'll all be agreeing with me if it happens.
So where does it stop?
No more cartoons of some guy that lived in the 7th century. Then they ask for the west to prevent music videos like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVDIXqILqSM
Or more bombs will go off?
No more cartoons of some guy that lived in the 7th century. Then they ask for the west to prevent music videos like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVDIXqILqSM
Or more bombs will go off?
Oh and dont forget to remove this from amazon - or else?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Satanic-Verses-Salman-Rushdie/dp/0963270702
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Satanic-Verses-Salman-Rushdie/dp/0963270702
Yes s-h but where would it end?
If we gave into the terrorists and banned negative Muslim cartoons, what would their next demand be?
Giving in to them would be like pouring petrol on a fire.
If we gave into the terrorists and banned negative Muslim cartoons, what would their next demand be?
Giving in to them would be like pouring petrol on a fire.
scandanavian_haven
Get real get on massive,take this scenario, next week, there are tube bombings again, killing over a hundred, they declare it's in retaliation for the publication of cartoons depicting their prophet, which is just what happened in France. What next, do we print more cartoons as yet another act of defiance? when does it stop exactly? This really is simple stuff, you call it gutless, reality calls it common sense. You'll all be agreeing with me if it happens.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill
Get real get on massive,take this scenario, next week, there are tube bombings again, killing over a hundred, they declare it's in retaliation for the publication of cartoons depicting their prophet, which is just what happened in France. What next, do we print more cartoons as yet another act of defiance? when does it stop exactly? This really is simple stuff, you call it gutless, reality calls it common sense. You'll all be agreeing with me if it happens.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill
There is logic in that approach....the crocodile may have a heart attack or be killed by a Hippo before it comes to him.
Jan 13, 2015 -- 12:59PM, The Leopard wrote:
There is logic in that approach....the crocodile may have a heart attack or be killed by a Hippo before it comes to him.
You are assuming there is only one crocodile out there.
Dr Crippen that's just the thing, those cartoons should never have been published in France from the beginning so it shouldn't be about given in, but righting a wrong in the first place, I couldn't care less for religion personally as I think it's a load of bollox, but the desecration of such an important figure to 1.3 billion and expecting no backlash is stupid. And by constantly republishing them and expecting no backlash again is even more stupid. That's just the way it is. It's not a matter of appeasment but respect, I don't go around saying "seasons" greeting to people at Christmas for example as that would be appeasement, it's Merry Christmas from me 
The knuckle dragger can throw throw their arms up in the air as much as they want if it makes them feel better but it will get them nowhere in the end.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
An Eye for an Eye Will Make the Whole World Blind
Mohandas Gandhi
The knuckle dragger can throw throw their arms up in the air as much as they want if it makes them feel better but it will get them nowhere in the end.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
An Eye for an Eye Will Make the Whole World Blind
Mohandas Gandhi
Hardly a relevant quote.
You're saying we should moderate our way of life because some nutters threaten violence. The Life of Brian is far more offensive to Christians than cartoons but we accepted that without the threat of mass killings.
Where do you draw the line scandanavian_haven?
If extremists demand we stop selling pork, showing Peppa Pig on TV? Or do we do just as they say because they threaten violence. Do you even have a line scandanavian_haven?
You're saying we should moderate our way of life because some nutters threaten violence. The Life of Brian is far more offensive to Christians than cartoons but we accepted that without the threat of mass killings.
Where do you draw the line scandanavian_haven?
If extremists demand we stop selling pork, showing Peppa Pig on TV? Or do we do just as they say because they threaten violence. Do you even have a line scandanavian_haven?
Just had a look on the Daily Mail's website. They aren't showing the pics.
Jan 13, 2015 -- 1:02PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
Dr Crippen that's just the thing, those cartoons should never have been published in France from the beginning so it shouldn't be about given in, but righting a wrong in the first place, I couldn't care less for religion personally as I think it's a load of bollox, but the desecration of such an important figure to 1.3 billion and expecting no backlash is stupid. And by constantly republishing them and expecting no backlash again is even more stupid. That's just the way it is. It's not a matter of appeasment but respect, I don't go around saying "seasons" greeting to people at Christmas for example as that would be appeasement, it's Merry Christmas from me The knuckle dragger can throw throw their arms up in the air as much as they want if it makes them feel better but it will get them nowhere in the end. An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.An Eye for an Eye Will Make the Whole World BlindMohandas Gandhi
These 1.3 billion will only get offended if they purchase the magazine.
If a North Korean or Cuban magazine had printed cartoons of this Muhammed, would those 1.3 billion be just as offended?
They normally sell 60,000. I think it's safe to say that some will be offended, whether they buy it or not.
My LINE is throw all muslims out of the country or there will be another 50 dead on a repeat tube bomb or 200 dead in a Harrods shooting Spree or 1000 dead on an attack on the Shard.
We don't need them !
We don't need them !
Jan 13, 2015 -- 1:17PM, Mikael D'Haguenet wrote:
They normally sell 60,000. I think it's safe to say that some will be offended, whether they buy it or not.
I dont understand why a muslim in Indonesia would be offended by a cartoon by a magazine sold in France or anywhere else in the world.
But they have the right to take offence. Just dont blow themselves or other people up. Or try and change the laws of other countries.
I don't mean to be disrespectful Get on massive, but you must have a bit more going on upstairs ? I'm not explaining simplicity any further after this. The very most sacred thing to the biggest religion on the planet is their prophet, and it's been disrespected over and over, and you are making comparisons to pork? Selling pork is not mocking a religion, selling magazines depicting a prophet is clearly sacrilegious and asking for trouble. What I have always said is though, is that multiculturalism is clearly unworkable based on the last few thousand years
Mikael....if you are a muslim....your lot should keep control of your extremists....they haven't.....the penalty is expulsion.
to paraphrase an aussie comedian, whose name escapes me....
"They're offended? So what. Who cares? I get offended by X-Factor, chavs, Bruce Forsyth, premiership football overload, BBC over egging F1, tabloid newspapers and numerous numerous other things"
"They're offended? So what. Who cares? I get offended by X-Factor, chavs, Bruce Forsyth, premiership football overload, BBC over egging F1, tabloid newspapers and numerous numerous other things"
Jan 13, 2015 -- 1:23PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
I don't mean to be disrespectful Get on massive, but you must have a bit more going on upstairs ? I'm not explaining simplicity any further after this. The very most sacred thing to the biggest religion on the planet is their prophet, and it's been disrespected over and over, and you are making comparisons to pork? Selling pork is not mocking a religion, selling magazines depicting a prophet is clearly sacrilegious and asking for trouble. What I have always said is though, is that multiculturalism is clearly unworkable based on the last few thousand years
The success of multiculturalism depends a lot on the cultures you are mixing.
Jan 13, 2015 -- 1:23PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
I don't mean to be disrespectful Get on massive, but you must have a bit more going on upstairs ? I'm not explaining simplicity any further after this. The very most sacred thing to the biggest religion on the planet is their prophet, and it's been disrespected over and over, and you are making comparisons to pork? Selling pork is not mocking a religion, selling magazines depicting a prophet is clearly sacrilegious and asking for trouble. What I have always said is though, is that multiculturalism is clearly unworkable based on the last few thousand years
Also 9/11, 7/7, Madrid bombings. tiger tiger attempted bomb plot, ricin bomb plot, liquid bomb plot, Lee rigby killing, Boston bomb etc etc
None have had to do with cartoons of the prophet or disrespecting him.
So if that is the "very most sacred thing to the biggest religion on the planet", we seem to get lots of violence without that being a factor.
this morning on the Radio5 phone in I guess there were 5 or 6 muslims rang the show over this front cover issue. Every single one of them said the responsibility should be on us not to offend their prophet, one even said satire should be banned altogether. They have won and Europe has lost it is now just a matter of time.
We've only lost if cowards give in to them. Daily mail i'm looking at you.
Three cheers for the Guardian and the Independent.
Three cheers for the Guardian and the Independent.
printing it is just a token gesture as was the march in Paris, nothing achieved
It's NOT actually "the biggest religion on the planet" though, is it? It only seems that way since they filled every hole and crevice with it.
*2nd biggest but fastest growing
helissio, might have something to do with invading lands using imaginary weapons of mass destruction and other false premises, another big issue.
helissio, might have something to do with invading lands using imaginary weapons of mass destruction and other false premises, another big issue.
Oh I see it was scandy who said it, I missed that. He was wrong. Lend us your brain scandanavian haven we're building an idiot.
Football is OBVIOUSLY the biggest religion since it has churches (stadiums) saints (St.Messi, St. Pele, St.Cruyff...) - and huge corruptions and rewards...Heaven (Champions' League) - Hell (relegation) - and PURGATORY - just ask Leeds United fans 
good to see some of the press showing the cartoon, but FFS make it a decent size will you ??
I'm sure many of us have tried to upload the image on here but it will never get approved. I'd have it as my new profile pic, if they'd allow it.
Meanwhile, check out the abuse miss Mia Khalifa is getting from her muslim countrymen since she was voted top performer on p0ornhub. Apparently in one of her scenes, she even wears a hijab. That's my afternoon sorted then
I'm sure many of us have tried to upload the image on here but it will never get approved. I'd have it as my new profile pic, if they'd allow it.
Meanwhile, check out the abuse miss Mia Khalifa is getting from her muslim countrymen since she was voted top performer on p0ornhub. Apparently in one of her scenes, she even wears a hijab. That's my afternoon sorted then
The devil is presumably Blatter or Ched Evans.
maybe grow up time rob, you 36 not 6. If you have nothing that's worth saying on this than it's not worth saying anything at all, as they say, last thing I want to see is a more innocent people on out streets wound up dead, like lee rigby, it;s time to use intelligence on these things not adopt an Neanderthal like mentality.
Jan 13, 2015 -- 2:05PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
maybe grow up time rob, you 36 not 6. If you have nothing that's worth saying on this than it's not worth saying anything at all, as they say, last thing I want to see is a more innocent people on out streets wound up dead, like lee rigby, it;s time to use intelligence on these things not adopt an Neanderthal like mentality.
So the obvious next step would be for blasphemy laws to protect Islam? What would be the range of punishments? A caution? community service? custodial sentence? something harsher?
You beat me to it Mikael...English Schismatic Heretics (FA) see Sepp as the dark lord...ol' Ched is just a mere sinner-man...
These are murdering fundamentalist terrorists we're dealing with here,
not peace loving Jews in 1930s Germany.
Fair enough, but do THEY see the difference?
not peace loving Jews in 1930s Germany.
Fair enough, but do THEY see the difference?
Also it is just not depictions of Mohammed in magazines/newspapers. Social media too -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903788/Mark-Zuckerberg-reveals-Pakistani-extremist-asked-sentenced-death-Facebook-s-refusal-ban-content-Mohammed.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/09/248C3D6E00000578-2903788-image-a-40_1420830699574.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903788/Mark-Zuckerberg-reveals-Pakistani-extremist-asked-sentenced-death-Facebook-s-refusal-ban-content-Mohammed.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/09/248C3D6E00000578-2903788-image-a-40_1420830699574.jpg
lets just issue all terrorists with LETTERS of indemnity from prosecution ,would be discriminatory not too imo .
why did the hook not get one ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30776891
why did the hook not get one ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30776891
in scandinvians defence what was the point of walking hand in hand with the muslim on sunday,asking mosques,imans etc to help the security services more to then insult millions of peace loving muslims on the wedensday ,to prove a point seems madness to me,
they alegedly shot a jogger 1st why not put pictures of joggers in the papers soladrity with fellow joggers,why not pictures celebrating jews on the front cover etc,etc,
since the free speech police arrived we,ve had calls for a bbc reporter to be sacked,someone kicked out of big brother,an american forced to apologise for remarks about brum, cameron speeding back to blighty to bug all our phones etc,etc,free speech my backside
they alegedly shot a jogger 1st why not put pictures of joggers in the papers soladrity with fellow joggers,why not pictures celebrating jews on the front cover etc,etc,
since the free speech police arrived we,ve had calls for a bbc reporter to be sacked,someone kicked out of big brother,an american forced to apologise for remarks about brum, cameron speeding back to blighty to bug all our phones etc,etc,free speech my backside
all these people wanting these pics for tee shirts,screen savers etc ,ive seen you before shouting racist remarks in pubs ,works etc till a black guy or foreigner walks in and the cat gets your tongue, keyboard warriors as the man said grow up
Jan 13, 2015 -- 5:15PM, 1st time poster wrote:
all these people wanting these pics for tee shirts,screen savers etc ,ive seen you before shouting
Jan 13, 2015 -- 5:15PM, 1st time poster wrote:
all these people wanting these pics for tee shirts,screen savers etc ,ive seen you before shouting
Race and religion are different. Criticizing/making fun of a religion is not racist.
If the magazine had published the magazine with no cartoons of Mohmammed - the terrorists would have won!
you arnt really suggesting that if this magazine hadnt printed these cartoons ,this gang wouldnt have attacked somewhere else as their mate proved a day later this is just ludicrous, so theres no winning or losing, there just murdering terrorists with a list of targets which little logic,they shot a jogger before this all kicked off
Just to enlighten you - check out middle eastern so called islmic cartoons and portrayals about the west etc etc. You may find it is not just in paris or the west!!!
No what I meant to say is - if the magazine had published this Wednesday's issue with no cartoons of Mohammed - then the terrorists would have won.
Parts of the media and certainly sky news are given full uncritical reign for muslims to spout off their religious facism but no counter argument or person to state what others think.
Nothing is going to change as Burton said - there certainly won't be a free debate on this in some circles. Our status quo politicians have been on about it covering their ar$es as soon as the starter pistol was fired. There are too many votes at stake for them to change their apologist position. After all, it is Labour and Tory who have presided over this mess for 2 decades.
Nothing is going to change as Burton said - there certainly won't be a free debate on this in some circles. Our status quo politicians have been on about it covering their ar$es as soon as the starter pistol was fired. There are too many votes at stake for them to change their apologist position. After all, it is Labour and Tory who have presided over this mess for 2 decades.
Scandinavian if Charlie Hebdo were to stop mimicking the prophet mohammed then the terrorists have won a battle. Why should we start changing the way we live to fit around muslims because they may be offended or may come and kill you?
Why not take the manifesto of Anders Breikjiv after all he killed far more people than were killed in Paris and he was offended by Islam?
Yes lets change how we live to suit the lunatics.
Why not take the manifesto of Anders Breikjiv after all he killed far more people than were killed in Paris and he was offended by Islam?
Yes lets change how we live to suit the lunatics.
won a battle
so who won the battle when they beheaded western journo,s
they,ve murdered police and 4 jews since charlie hebbdo, and you are worried about losing face,the media luvies have hijacked this one,they shot a jogger in the park if he was the only target and they said there was still 6 possible gunmen at large they,d be telling people to go jogging in the park,its not about winning ,losing its common sense,if anyone in the western world wants to watch cartoons taking the pish out of the prophet there as barmy as the terrorists,
if frankie boyle was arrested for telling sick jokes , would you be telling all comedians to go on tv to repeat the jokes,its madness,madness i say
so who won the battle when they beheaded western journo,s
they,ve murdered police and 4 jews since charlie hebbdo, and you are worried about losing face,the media luvies have hijacked this one,they shot a jogger in the park if he was the only target and they said there was still 6 possible gunmen at large they,d be telling people to go jogging in the park,its not about winning ,losing its common sense,if anyone in the western world wants to watch cartoons taking the pish out of the prophet there as barmy as the terrorists,
if frankie boyle was arrested for telling sick jokes , would you be telling all comedians to go on tv to repeat the jokes,its madness,madness i say
First they came for the people with ideas and pictures.
Then they came for the jews
has this happened before?
I have invoked godwin's law!!!
Then they came for the jews
has this happened before?
I have invoked godwin's law!!!
1st time poster - so what do you suggest? blasphemy laws to prevent insulting some guy who lived in the 7th century? With sentence something like A caution? community service? custodial sentence? something harsher?
No I'm not worried about losing face I'm saying stand up to them. If it was just Islam that Charlie Hebdo was poking fun at then I could see the problem but they take the mickey out of all types of religion.
It has really nothing to do with the cartoons it has to do with Islamists wanting to transfer their values onto our way of life.
It has really nothing to do with the cartoons it has to do with Islamists wanting to transfer their values onto our way of life.
Sharia law is already happening in some cities in the uk. Be prepared for a lot more pressure as the demographic gradually changes.
Only recently was an attempt to incorporate guidance on sharia law by the Law Society. Rapidly withdrawn when they were found out.
Expect much more chipping away by the religion of pieces.
Only recently was an attempt to incorporate guidance on sharia law by the Law Society. Rapidly withdrawn when they were found out.
Expect much more chipping away by the religion of pieces.
the future is Portugal there are only about 60,000 of them there
ch 4 tomorrow night the rise of the national front in the uk again,so next years when 20 skinheads attack your local shop or 500 demonstrating in town on a sat jostling your wife and mother, shouting je suis charlie will you be joining them,or be on here calling them facisist thugs,remember free speech and the right to offend and all that
I have no problem with anyone demonstrating.
Are you suggesting that drawing a cartoon of a prophet is the same as getting jostled by a group of skinheads and them attacking a local shop?
Are you suggesting that drawing a cartoon of a prophet is the same as getting jostled by a group of skinheads and them attacking a local shop?
You want to check out how many muslims write for the guardian - there's more than a couple - the penny is starting to drop here in Mo Towers. You wonder why they clamp down on questions about muslims and opening comments on the articles
check out how many are open now!!! right now!!! I knew we would revert to type as soon as the 'outrage' was over. They couldn't avoid it but now shutting it all down again.
check out how many are open now!!! right now!!! I knew we would revert to type as soon as the 'outrage' was over. They couldn't avoid it but now shutting it all down again.
1st time poster 13 Jan 15 17:13 in scandinvians defence what was the point of walking hand in hand with the muslim on sunday,asking mosques,imans etc to help the security services more to then insult millions of peace loving muslims on the wedensday ,to prove a point
Good post imo. Argument against is that IF we need to prove a point then this is the only time and way to make it happen. Cant really prove the same point a few months down the line.
Tbh i agree with you though, offending the innocent to make a point to the stupid, wasting the free speech card imo.
Good post imo. Argument against is that IF we need to prove a point then this is the only time and way to make it happen. Cant really prove the same point a few months down the line.
Tbh i agree with you though, offending the innocent to make a point to the stupid, wasting the free speech card imo.
One cartoon in this week's issue is bannered "On Sunday more turned up for Charlie than for Mass!".
Business as usual.
Business as usual.
If you dont like the cartoons - dont buy the magazine.
thats what the peedo,s say when they downloading their filth, 
so making a comic involves the same amount of rape and sexual abuse as making images/videos of pedophilia? 
Sorry I haven't replied, I've been too busy trying to find Rob Dylan's dummy
Sky news not showing them either, well done.
Sky news not showing them either, well done.
1st time poster
13 Jan 15 17:15
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all these people wanting these pics for tee shirts,screen savers etc ,ive seen you before shouting racist remarks in pubs ,works etc till a black guy or foreigner walks in and the cat gets your tongue, keyboard warriors as the man said grow up
LOL cat never gets my tongue I,ll say what I want when I want and if they don,t like it then they know where the pub door is......
13 Jan 15 17:15
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all these people wanting these pics for tee shirts,screen savers etc ,ive seen you before shouting racist remarks in pubs ,works etc till a black guy or foreigner walks in and the cat gets your tongue, keyboard warriors as the man said grow up
LOL cat never gets my tongue I,ll say what I want when I want and if they don,t like it then they know where the pub door is......
rob_dyan if you should feel so strongly in this way....then you should post the cartoon here....C'mon STAND UP AGAINST THE TERRORISTS.
There's the full-page cartoon of a weeping Muhammad on the front cover, but inside there are no more caricatures of the Prophet.
There are plenty - in the paper's characteristic scurrilous vein - of Muslim extremists. In one cartoon, two terrorists are seen ascending to heaven and asking: "Where are the 70 virgins?" In the background, the murdered staff at Charlie Hebdo are enjoying an orgy.
An editorial thanks the millions of people who have declared themselves as Charlie in the past few days - but it says it wants no more of the past insinuations that by provoking Muslims, it has somehow brought trouble on itself.
There are plenty - in the paper's characteristic scurrilous vein - of Muslim extremists. In one cartoon, two terrorists are seen ascending to heaven and asking: "Where are the 70 virgins?" In the background, the murdered staff at Charlie Hebdo are enjoying an orgy.
An editorial thanks the millions of people who have declared themselves as Charlie in the past few days - but it says it wants no more of the past insinuations that by provoking Muslims, it has somehow brought trouble on itself.
"provoking Muslims"
how do you do that? Sharing their oxygen, I guess.
how do you do that? Sharing their oxygen, I guess.
so it was just the joke shop they picked on was it
I think there are a few jews in a supermarket would like to point out they went for them too.
I think there are a few jews in a supermarket would like to point out they went for them too.
don't mention, pork, pigs or bacon - now thought to be equally disrespectful and outrageous and offensive in books - OFFICIAL NOW FROM THE OXFORD UNION PRESS GUIDANCE
IN OUR COUNTRY - go on tell me it is UKIP propaganda!!!
DO NOT BUILD SNOWMEN!!!
CONVERT OR DIE !!!
IN OUR COUNTRY - go on tell me it is UKIP propaganda!!!
DO NOT BUILD SNOWMEN!!!
CONVERT OR DIE !!!
scandanavian_haven
scandanavian_haven 13 Jan 15 12:35 Joined: 27 May 11 | Topic/replies: 2,225 | Blogger: scandanavian_haven's blog
Get real get on massive,take this scenario, next week, there are tube bombings again, killing over a hundred, they declare it's in retaliation for the publication of cartoons depicting their prophet, which is just what happened in France. What next, do we print more cartoons as yet another act of defiance? when does it stop exactly? This really is simple stuff, you call it gutless, reality calls it common sense. You'll all be agreeing with me if it happens.
And what happens if they say women not covering up in public offends them? If they threaten our safety until women cover up? Do we abide by that as well. It really is simple to your answer you start shutting down Mosques. You cant behave we will shut you down
scandanavian_haven 13 Jan 15 12:35 Joined: 27 May 11 | Topic/replies: 2,225 | Blogger: scandanavian_haven's blog
Get real get on massive,take this scenario, next week, there are tube bombings again, killing over a hundred, they declare it's in retaliation for the publication of cartoons depicting their prophet, which is just what happened in France. What next, do we print more cartoons as yet another act of defiance? when does it stop exactly? This really is simple stuff, you call it gutless, reality calls it common sense. You'll all be agreeing with me if it happens.
And what happens if they say women not covering up in public offends them? If they threaten our safety until women cover up? Do we abide by that as well. It really is simple to your answer you start shutting down Mosques. You cant behave we will shut you down
55 people arrested in france since these killings including anelka,s comedian friend on so called hate crimes,seems speech is only free when you can afford it or the luvies agree with you
western women not covering up in a western country wouldnt offend 1000,s of law abiding muslims as the cartoons obviously do
That's not the point.
If Islamic extremists dictate what we can and can't look at in satirical magazines then what next?
scandanavian_haven and I paraphrase, said we should not upset these people and cower to their demands so they won't harm us.
If we make a law banning an image of Mohammed then what happens when they say, for example, pork being sold is offensive to them. Do we appease them again? They already know we will trade our safety for their appeasment so it will encourage them even more.
There were laws in this country before they came and they should abide by them or leave if they don't like it, no one is stopping them.
I wouldn't expect to go to Saudi Arabia and have a drink as my culture and religion (a Christian atheist)
doesn't mind me doing this, I would expect their country's law and religion.
If Islamic extremists dictate what we can and can't look at in satirical magazines then what next?
scandanavian_haven and I paraphrase, said we should not upset these people and cower to their demands so they won't harm us.
If we make a law banning an image of Mohammed then what happens when they say, for example, pork being sold is offensive to them. Do we appease them again? They already know we will trade our safety for their appeasment so it will encourage them even more.
There were laws in this country before they came and they should abide by them or leave if they don't like it, no one is stopping them.
I wouldn't expect to go to Saudi Arabia and have a drink as my culture and religion (a Christian atheist)
doesn't mind me doing this, I would expect their country's law and religion.
It's not a no-brainer, but I support the decision of the Guardian and co to publish the cover. It obviously counts as news.
I'd say the basic global response should be based on as you were. We shouldn't cower to these extremist fkers but nor should we move towards intolerance, since the average Muslim clearly doesn't support shooting cartoonists.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that here in Colombia they published the cover too; I thought that there would be too much "respect" for religion here. Perhaps they are so sick of domestic terrorists that they take a harder line. Also, there are hardly any Muslims. While looking into it, I was struck by the fact that Pablo Escobar had thousands of people killed during his reign, including 600 policeman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Escobar#Height_of_power), and he was just one guy, so Muslim terrorists, since 9/11, haven't really been all that active. Shows how few are really that extremist.
Je suis Charlie.
I'd say the basic global response should be based on as you were. We shouldn't cower to these extremist fkers but nor should we move towards intolerance, since the average Muslim clearly doesn't support shooting cartoonists.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that here in Colombia they published the cover too; I thought that there would be too much "respect" for religion here. Perhaps they are so sick of domestic terrorists that they take a harder line. Also, there are hardly any Muslims. While looking into it, I was struck by the fact that Pablo Escobar had thousands of people killed during his reign, including 600 policeman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Escobar#Height_of_power), and he was just one guy, so Muslim terrorists, since 9/11, haven't really been all that active. Shows how few are really that extremist.
Je suis Charlie.
I think it is wrong to say that we should respect the laws of Saudi Arabia, everyone and anyone should be entitled to a drink in any country in the world. However democratic laws should be respected by everyone in the world....there is no contridiction in this.
Try canvassing your mp to ensure you dont eat halal meat .
1st time poster
1st time poster 14 Jan 15 17:14 Joined: 25 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 15,112 | Blogger: 1st time poster's blog
western women not covering up in a western country wouldnt offend 1000,s of law abiding muslims as the cartoons obviously do
Rubbish, they chip away bit by bit
1st time poster 14 Jan 15 17:14 Joined: 25 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 15,112 | Blogger: 1st time poster's blog
western women not covering up in a western country wouldnt offend 1000,s of law abiding muslims as the cartoons obviously do
Rubbish, they chip away bit by bit
meanwhile the stream of muslim propaganda is presented on sky tv without contradiction.
In 2009 Charlie Hebdo fired cartoonist for drawing an "anti-Semitic" cartoon.
Double standards me thinks.
Double standards me thinks.
Pretty sure it was a libel case regarding Sarkosys son converting to Judaism for financial gain. Wasnt because of anti semitic views but a case against an individual not a slight on the Jewish faith
It would not be double standards, there are correct standards and incorrect standards.
Get On MASSIVE 14 Jan 15 19:47 Joined: 25 Jun 03 | Topic/replies: 598 | Blogger: Get On MASSIVE's blog
scandanavian_haven and I paraphrase, said we should not upset these people and cower to their demands so they won't harm us.
no I didn't, I said if you insult the most sacred thing to them and then keep doing it, you're going have to expect a backlash, which is what happened, and will happen again, you've compared already the selling of pork to the insult of a prophet so I don't know if I should take you seriously anyway
It's called respect, insulting another religion is asking for trouble - me buying pork in my own country, not wearing religious headgear in my country, not praying 5 times a day in my own country, is not an insult to anyone, if I were to do that, that would be bowing to DEMANDS, showing respect by not insulting a religious figures is something different altogether, if you really can't understand this I really can't help you anymore.
And what happens if they say women not covering up in public offends them? If they threaten our safety until women cover up? Do we abide by that as well. It really is simple to your answer you start shutting down Mosques. You cant behave we will shut you down
They all ready do, and they are rightfully ignored.
scandanavian_haven and I paraphrase, said we should not upset these people and cower to their demands so they won't harm us.
no I didn't, I said if you insult the most sacred thing to them and then keep doing it, you're going have to expect a backlash, which is what happened, and will happen again, you've compared already the selling of pork to the insult of a prophet so I don't know if I should take you seriously anyway
It's called respect, insulting another religion is asking for trouble - me buying pork in my own country, not wearing religious headgear in my country, not praying 5 times a day in my own country, is not an insult to anyone, if I were to do that, that would be bowing to DEMANDS, showing respect by not insulting a religious figures is something different altogether, if you really can't understand this I really can't help you anymore.
And what happens if they say women not covering up in public offends them? If they threaten our safety until women cover up? Do we abide by that as well. It really is simple to your answer you start shutting down Mosques. You cant behave we will shut you down
They all ready do, and they are rightfully ignored.
We live in a country that embraces satire. We allowed the production and showing of The Life of Brian for instance.
The film did receive negative remarks from some religious leaders who were no doubt offended but no death threats.
Not printing this image is pandering to the extremists. Why is their prophet any more precious than anyone else's?
Our country, our values and our laws.
The film did receive negative remarks from some religious leaders who were no doubt offended but no death threats.
Not printing this image is pandering to the extremists. Why is their prophet any more precious than anyone else's?
Our country, our values and our laws.
^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^
When I was growing up and The Life of Brian came out then Islam was just another religion like Judaism and Buddhism. There beliefs and views were there own business and of little interest to the masses in the UK.
Now we have Islamic extremists murdering us for our way of life. If Christian Europe deems it's own religion not to be above satire then someone elses is irrelevant to us. Satire is part of our culture.
If we make it law to ban images of Muhammed or get intimidated enough to cower to these people's demands then at some point in the future it will be something else, you can guarantee it.
When I was growing up and The Life of Brian came out then Islam was just another religion like Judaism and Buddhism. There beliefs and views were there own business and of little interest to the masses in the UK.
Now we have Islamic extremists murdering us for our way of life. If Christian Europe deems it's own religion not to be above satire then someone elses is irrelevant to us. Satire is part of our culture.
If we make it law to ban images of Muhammed or get intimidated enough to cower to these people's demands then at some point in the future it will be something else, you can guarantee it.
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